**Sepang race** **SPOILER**

rider talent in order

Stoner
Rossi
Pedrosa
Melandri
Vermuelen and Hopkins, Randy
Hayden
West, caparossi
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Dead last is without doubt TONY ELIAS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 21 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]96351[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think it is extremely likely that the honda will be very fast next year. I can't see ducati maintaining an advantage long term, unless the desmo system by some happenstance is uniquely suited to the current engine formula.


Consider for a moment. who the main Honda development rider is and how that rider have progressed the bike so far this year with their input.
The result, for me at least, is that next year's RC211V won't be a major leap forward to beat of Ducati and/or Yamaha/Burgess.
HRC need to take input from someone other than their current developer!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Oct 21 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]96356[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Consider for a moment. who the main Honda development rider is and how that rider have progressed the bike so far this year with their input.
The result, for me at least, is that next year's RC211V won't be a major leap forward to beat of Ducati and/or Yamaha/Burgess.
HRC need to take input from someone other than their current developer!

This is no doubt true. I just think that they will have a very powerful engine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 21 2007, 09:31 PM) [snapback]96354[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
rider talent in order

Stoner
Rossi
Pedrosa
Melandri
Vermuelen and Hopkins, Randy
Hayden
West, caparossi
.
.
.
.
.
Dead last is without doubt TONY ELIAS


No I disagree...the rider talent for 2007 is:
Stoner
Pedrosa
Rossi
RdP

And this is purely because of the equipment and what these riders have had to to to achive any greatness in 2007...but RdP is a great rider and how I wish he would have got a ride on the factory Ducati and or Kawasaki in 2008!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spaish4EVA @ Oct 21 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]96348[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
an4rew I totally agree about Melandri to Pedrosa's performance in 2007?...but Melandri has to really prove himself as a #1 rider in 2008 especially with the a champ like Stoner and Pedrosa in the field of the 2008 motoGP paddock!!!...I still wonder about Melandri's performance and ability??? And that is on the Ducati in 2008???

And aslo Rossi's performance in 2008??? I hope I'm wrong but I don't think SO!!!


yea he will have proper factory support so we will see how good melandri can be consistantly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Oct 21 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]96364[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
yea he will have proper factory support so we will see how good melandri can be consistantly.


I agree an4rew, I really respect and like Marco he is a great rider and he will either do it or ruin it in 2008 on the Ducati!!! He’s sort of a kamikaze rider in some races!!!

I also think that the Honda factory will produce an exceptional motorcycle in 2008 like in the past!!!...and you all mark my words...that all the Honda riders will be up there and with it in 2008!!!

So watch out Ducati and Casey Stoner!!! Or I shouldent say Casey It should be Ducati and who there going to back in 2008??? Casey or Marco???

You have had your fairy tale year (2007)!!! And please you will be watching the 2007 replays and vids for a long time to come if you dont keep up with the game and on top of it!!! Or and/or back C asey!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 21 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]96354[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dead last is without doubt TONY ELIAS


poor kid!

Yet again, another boring race if you ask me!. Shame RDP didnt get a podium this weekend. . .but hey ho
But it was nice to see Melandri back up there!

roll on Valencia!

[quote name='Pinky' date='Oct 21 2007, 12:31 PM' post='96354']
rider talent in order

Stoner
Rossi
Pedrosa
Melandri
Vermuelen and Hopkins, Randy
Hayden
West, caparossi


you cant say that because clearly the ducati is much faster than any machine but i think the honda is making progress towards it.

without fanboyism for me its

1.rossi easily the most talented, can you see anyother rider make the yamaha perform so well? and u also must remember yamaha seem to be going backward's, i say that because they had the pneumo engine then stoped using it, i also notice the yam suffers with vibration problems you can tell from the bike cam it ratles badly is that down to the inline 4engine the v4's seem to be much smooher, when you get a change next race check out how the brake leaver rattles and the handle bars shake, looks like they are going to come off lolol.

2.stoner/pedro as the duke plays a big part,dani seems to hang with him till the tyres start fading
( and dont mention loris because his setup hasnt worked for him this year)

3.melandri/haystack melandri will be a demon next season on the duke not really sure whats up with hayden but i believe he still has it.

cant really say bout the other riders they seem to come and go with there performance.


best riders this year

1.casey stoner but i still think the duke plays a big part.

2.rossi/pedro cant really say as they are both on michelins but seem to leapfrog each other put that down to tyres and settings.

3.melandri/hayden i think they are both top riders but on the duke 100% sure melandri will have the edge.

west ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer is he! still the penalty was a bit harsh imo. well at least the tires stayed consistent for all. well 1 more to go & thats it...............08

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 22 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]96395[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
west ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer is he! still the penalty was a bit harsh imo. well at least the tires stayed consistent for all. well 1 more to go & thats it...............08


fully agree!!! frosty!!!...i just cant believe how a guy whose been in this class for at least 4-5 years cant memorise his 5th spots position on the grid!!!!...well he must be as dumb as <edited>me</edited>...

u know what they say about dog owners!!!


Modedit: I also know what they say about trolls..... that they don't last long

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 21 2007, 09:12 AM) [snapback]96290[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Westy didnt jump the start, he was positioned a metre to the right to where he should have been in a 125/250 spot..I want to know why a grid marshall didn't tell him to move across a metre, or whatever it was? He was one of the first riders back on the grid ffs fecking shattered..

Anyway, the usual 2007 Stoner domination and a pretty boringish race.. Not as bad as some of the others this year though Looks damn hot over there, tough work, respect to all :up:

westy should get his ....... act together if he want to race at this level in the future. yes a marshall should have spotted he was in the wrong position but everyone else managed to get themselves in the right place except westy, what a plonker

Rossi did well considering how much the Yamahas were struggling over the weekend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 21 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]96413[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
westy should get his ....... act together if he want to race at this level in the future. yes a marshall should have spotted he was in the wrong position but everyone else managed to get themselves in the right place except westy, what a plonker



West's problem was entirley of his own making and nobody else's fault.

As for a marshall telling him, this could not have occurred as he lined up correctly at dummy grid and only lined up incorrectly after the warm up lap after which he was amongst the first back. Given that this leas to the green light marshalls are not allowed onto the grid as a safety measure and therefore oculd provide no assistance.

As to why it was a 'penalty' I would hazard a guess that it was safety based as the idea of the offset start is to allow a clean getaway if the vehicle infront stalls. Where West lined up was directly behind Stoner which leaves him very little safety margin should Stoner stall.

Being an Aussie, I am in two minds whether it is harsh or fair but someting did need to be done because technically West started out of position. My bet is he realised it when Stoner got into position but it was to late to move.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gaz @ Oct 21 2007, 11:38 PM) [snapback]96466[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
West's problem was entirley of his own making and nobody else's fault.

As for a marshall telling him, this could not have occurred as he lined up correctly at dummy grid and only lined up incorrectly after the warm up lap after which he was amongst the first back. Given that this leas to the green light marshalls are not allowed onto the grid as a safety measure and therefore oculd provide no assistance.


AFAIK all the grid marshalls must signal OK before the green flag and they do have the possibility to stop or delay the start. I don't know the details around wrong positioning in MotoGP and if that is enough to halt the start but if there is a danger as you mention further down then it should be rectified before the start are allowe. Other places I've seen marshalls signaling wrong position and assisting drivers, and if my memory serves me right such a assistance were given en the last SBK round.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mjpartyboy @ Oct 22 2007, 06:52 AM) [snapback]96460[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi did well considering how much the Yamahas were struggling over the weekend.


Bit of a sweeping factless self sustaining statement!! , I think you invented perpetual motion!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maybe-mjpartyboy @ Oct 22 2007, 06:52 AM) [snapback]96460[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
the Yamahas did well considering how much Rossi were struggling over the weekend.


which one is right???

Another well measured race from Casey, he managed his tyres and pace perfectly to the end.

Pedrosa has got to learn to throw the thing up the inside, if anything it shows some sort of aggression and at least he's throwing down the challenge, the guy was right next to Stoner shitloads and never passed once. Melandri, Rossi, RDP, Hayden .... anyone else would have diced with the guy. The race was boring, gee I wonder why.

Hayden made a mistake on the brakes, at least he gave it a shot. I'd rather see a rider have a go (as long as he doesn't become a bowling ball) rather then sit back and wait and wait and wait. Rossi did the same thing in China racing Stoner, he knew sitting behind him was a waste of time and he needed to challenge Stoner's rhythm. If these guys have learnt anything this year it's don't let Stoner get out front and comfortable otherwise your .......

Melandri does what he does best, average one week, fantastic the next. Hopefully next year he'll get some sort of consistency going. Otherwise he'll be fighting for 3rd or 4th in the championship.

West you dummy most exciting part of the race.

Anybody watched the 250 race? Very good race, like moto GP used to be.

For the next race predictions, we should all use the following template:

1. Stoner.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Oct 22 2007, 02:15 PM) [snapback]96511[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Pedrosa has got to learn to throw the thing up the inside,


I think Pedrosa is psychologically conditioned ... like Pavlov's dog .... to never just chuck it up the inside anymore ..... remember 2006 and " the incident"!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Oct 22 2007, 12:15 AM) [snapback]96482[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
AFAIK all the grid marshalls must signal OK before the green flag and they do have the possibility to stop or delay the start. I don't know the details around wrong positioning in MotoGP and if that is enough to halt the start but if there is a danger as you mention further down then it should be rectified before the start are allowe. Other places I've seen marshalls signaling wrong position and assisting drivers, and if my memory serves me right such a assistance were given en the last SBK round.
On the ball fish, westy got roughly treated I think especially seeing his pace after the ride through, he was as fast as Melandri/Pedrosa. Westy's gonna get a few podiums next year! Boring sort of race though.

what a lame ... race......i hope they bring back the 990s someday....