Sachsenring race!!!

Did you hear microphone that picked up all the sound from Nicky's bike going thru turn
1? It was hard to hear much over ....! ....! ....! but if you listen closely in the backround you can hear,excusez moi, con su permiso, scusi un attimo, scusi un attimo, Texas comin thru ya'll,
anteeksi and pardon mate.
That really was pathetic especially after watching the Stoner sandwich that he refused to back out of.

Speaking of backing out of, how about DeAngelis His sexual orientation gets called out last week and suddenly he's fighting for a top spot.
If that's all it took to get him motivated someone should have put Tom Cruise on a bike a long time ago.
When did Stoner become Pedrosa? He makes one pass, gets passed back, follows around for a while
and then fades in the end.
It's fun watching Lorenzo and Rossi but so far is there any doubt that Rossi's going to lose that last lap?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 20 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Off topic (or actually ‘on topic’ lately): I’ve been rolling in laughter reading this thread. The Stoner fans around here are getting killed. And for no good reason really since it should be EASY enough to debate or counter banter your side of the issue. It’s been HILARIOUS seeing the Rossi Faithful (now energized, and rightly so) having a field day with Stoner fans (Hahaha). C'mon Casey fans, get your .... together! I was even surprised to see Gaz invoke Pinks as part of his point, now that's desperation at its worse (jk, Garry, I'm joking…a little). But really, every single banter point made can be rebutted, there is plenty on-the-record to do so, but it seems the Stoner fans are not up to the challenge. When it was Hayden getting the brunt of all this mud, I practically fended off the Faithful by my self. Hahahaha, but by all means, continue to get clobbered.

Jumkie, I have chosen to stay silent on it as personally I see a lot of what is going on as nothing short of the bleatings mentioned in other threads, but yes, if one so chose it woudl be easy to counter argue but why when all it will do is reduce a thread to personal insult level instead of a worthwhile meaningful debate?

As for the Stoner fans (which it seems I have been labelled), well maybe they are silent because they see it for what it is and that is just the winning team gloating and know that what goes around, comes around. It happens in all sports and as the old saying goes, the sign of a good winner is to learn to lose gracefully and I am sure that CS' time will come (although JL and DP will have a mighty say).






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 20 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>all backed up with hard facts hows the mood in oz today, 75 year record broken, ouch thats gota hurt



Happy to argue on it a little Roger as it is not all backed up by 'hard' facts as you say but a combination of some facts and some opinion.

As for the 75 year record, well it was interesting to hear that the English Cricket Team had not beaten Australian for 75 years at Lords, the home of english cricket. I for one would seriously have expected the Brits to have a better record at their home ground and was honestly surprised.

But again, it is cricket and personally I couldn't give a stuff as these guys are Australia's answer to teh US Basketball Dream Team in terms of their attitude (my opinion) as has been seen by much of their behaviour on and off the field for a few years.

By the way, did Doctrove or Rudi get MoM.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 20 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7475:Rossi_bl...s_tires_.jpg]

“For sure this Ducati rubber are ‘Brigiston’. I may need this for sure for winning 08… Uccio, amico, find out!”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jul 21 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's fun watching Lorenzo and Rossi but so far is there any doubt that Rossi's going to lose that last lap?


You know, this is the line I find so sad ............................................ because it is so damn true.

At the moment I totally agree and watched the race knowing in my gut that Rossi was going to win if he was within a short distance starting the last lap.

This is the area that JL needs to work on (IMO) and he will as he had opportunity to pull a hard move but either chose not to (lacked confidence in completing the move) or was concerned that he would bring them both down (and the subsequent wrath).

But, even take it further and it is not just JL but if Rossi is close to any rider with that lap or so to go, you will not bet against Rossi. The old analogy that he 'just wants it more' seems so fitting in that he will do the desperate and extremely hard move, do it easily and do it successfully.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 20 2009, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Something i have observed this season and don't recall seeing before though, is that in post race/qualifying interviews at the moment Rossi praises himself a lot. I don't recall seeing any other rider doing it quite so much and i find it really interesting, and quite funny! Anyone else notice that?


<< Dons flame suit >>

Tom I have heard similar but not taken it the way you may have as VR has always spoken as or of himself. He has always used the 'I' term far more than he does 'we' but will where he feels fit praise the work of his team as well.

The difference is (well I think) that the only real riders that he can be compared to this year are Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo, all of whom are the 'we' type of interview subjects.

So basically I am not sure that doinga comparison to this year is fair as the interviews all involve the same usual suspects and as such Rossi stands out more because he uses 'I' to describe what he has done and 'we' when discussing the team.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 20 2009, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you're not denying that you don't like Stoner or Aussies because of a few fans?

You're humour is lost because you don't have any. The mindless drivel comes out about Stoner every second you can. You talk about Stoner whinging, but we only ever get to see you whinge about Stoner, monotonously day in, day out every possible second on every possible thread. There is no humour in it, just mean spirited, fact less drivel. Just look at your snide comments on this thread, let alone innumerable other ones. Stoner says something, Stoner looks at something, it's all the same to you. you'll turn it into yet another Stoner bashing session.

You called Tom out as a troll, but you've acted much worse in this thread. Are you going to threaten to bash him again?
I'll leave you with this quote made by you which says it all -
"no chance.
the shame of it is i was one of the few who in 06 who said he would be a champ and was only finding his feet, but because of the influx in aussie fanboy ......s here i will be glad and laugh when he fail's. a few of his fans turned me off him and aussies in general. one or two here i like and you know who you are."
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...c=7762&st=0
post #5

SoD, seriously man. it's not worth getting worked up. i came to the conclusion a LONG time ago that roger is just a ..... straight up. not really worth going back and forth with him.

jumkie. your right. it's easy to go back and search through and find things to rebuttle some of the bs. but why even waste the time and effort? i don't have time for that crap. i have kids, career and RIDING/RACING/INSTRUCTING to do. i enjoy wathcing the races. just wish i enjoyed more of the posting that goes on here. there is some good info that comes out on this forum, which is why i stick around. i do enjoy some of the stuff that gets posted, but the "fishing" and banter gets carried away. j4no, you, gaz, and gsfan to name a few are great contributors.

tom, i know exactly what you're saying. anyone who mentions themselves in third person is WAY to full of themselves in my book. and he does it on a regular basis.

it's all good to have your favorite rider, but a few have taken it to the point of being ridiculous, and just straight up being an .... ohhhh rossi is sooo great. let's root for him because its ....... EASY. what is it i hear all the time? "i wouldn't bet against him".
jesus h you fuckers "whinged" about it after casey won it in 07. good lord. pot - kettle - black. can't wait til he retires. lol. not because i want to see him go. i just can't wait for his fans to.

great race though. really enjoyed it. nice to see the front 4 really dicing it up for awhile. looking forward to donny.

and hayden. .... ya dude. was cheering for you the entire time! can't wait to see what you can do next go around.

cheers.

-dj

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djm @ Jul 21 2009, 04:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>tom, i know exactly what you're saying. anyone who mentions themselves in third person is WAY to full of themselves in my book. and he does it on a regular basis. it's all good to have your favorite rider, but a few have taken it to the point of being ridiculous, and just straight up being an .... ohhhh rossi is sooo great. let's root for him because its ....... EASY. what is it i hear all the time? "i wouldn't bet against him".
jesus h you fuckers "whinged" about it after casey won it in 07. good lord. pot - kettle - black. can't wait til he retires. lol. not because i want to see him go. i just can't wait for his fans to.

Rog that was good call, you knew that Tom will get lot of help from that part of the world with his ridiculous observation. You know these guys too well Rog.

and djm we can say same thing about you and few other's as well that you guys are so blind and busy in Stoner ... licking that you are unable to appreciate other riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 21 2009, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rog that was good call, you knew that Tom will get lot of help from that part of the world with his ridiculous observation. You know these guys too well Rog.

and djm we can say same thing about you and few other's as well that you guys are so blind and busy in Stoner ... licking that you are unable to appreciate other riders.
My attitude on this forum has I believe been fairly consistent; if somebody is doing as well as rossi is now and has done for all his career, one can but give him credit. In his case raw talent, tactical sense and copious style are obviously large contributors to success, but if compared to his competitors he has a mechanical advantage this year, tyres better suited to his bike, is uninjured, has better health, less premenstrual tension or whatever such factors have always been part of the game in the premier class. As I have said previously mick doohan may well have won seven titles or more without his injuries, but if he wished to do so he should have avoided getting injured.

Stoner fans who give rossi his due could arguably feel themselves to be in a position of moral superiority at present given the many rossi fans who gave hayden and stoner no credit at all in 2006 and 2007, some of whom both at the time and now seem to believe that the championship wins by riders other than rossi (with him in the field) in these years never occurred. Certainly the reasons for him not winning would seem to involve what in the context of casey stoner might be termed excuses . The more cynical might also see irony in a stoner fan (even pinky) being called on man love for stoner, given that the most casual perusal of the blogosphere would seem to indicate that the amount of man love out there for valentino (not that there is anything wrong with that ) exceeds that for stoner to such a degree that a logarithmic scale would be required for graphical representation on the same page.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 20 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>all it will do is reduce a thread to personal insult level instead of a worthwhile meaningful debate?
Actually, personal insult is what is happening now, I though meaningful counterpoint would be more meaningful.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As for the Stoner fans (which it seems I have been labelled), well maybe they are silent because they see it for what it is and that is just the winning team gloating and know that what goes around, comes around. It happens in all sports and as the old saying goes, the sign of a good winner is to learn to lose gracefully and I am sure that CS' time will come (although JL and DP will have a mighty say).

Oh, I mistook you for a Stoner fan. Sorry.

Again, no they are not silent, that's my point, and except for a few, most of the counterpoints are weak. We all gloat (well except the Hayden fans, since we have nothing to gloat about Errr) but, even then there are easy rebuts when it goes beyond the "gloating". Saying your guy (who ever that may be) is the best every, well that's gloating, saying the competition uses more TC because one listened to the bike going past at 100mph plus, well that not gloating and easily refuted. See the difference?

Oh well, its not for me to say. Defend your guy if your able and willing I guess.

EDIT:

After reading some of the posts after yours Garry, I'm happy to see some of the Aussies coming to life. Excellent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 20 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“For sure this Ducati rubber are ‘Brigiston’. I may need this for sure for winning 08… Uccio, amico, find out!”

Ay weiy, eres bien cabron. jajaja

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually, personal insult is what is happening now, I though meaningful counterpoint would be more meaningful.

Totally agree but what appears to be happenning of late is that meaningful rebuttal results in more ammunition for personal insult as the discussion continues and I am somewhat over it and see no point in the personal insults (irrespectove of their 'side'). The shame for me is Jumkie that often a very valid point, argument or post will be lost amongst these insults that seem to be over-running most threads of late.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I mistook you for a Stoner fan. Sorry.

Nope, and in truth a fair way from it (in what I would term a fan) although I marvel at the way he rides a bike. That said I can easily see why people may assume it as I do come to teh 'defence' of Stoner but that is because I am a fan of racing and personalities mean little to me in terms of my respect for these athletes. Personally I do feel that CS gets a harsh rap far beyond that which is deserved and so I defend, as I would Max B were I a member at the time and as I will JL as I see he being the next with the target on the back.

If I am to be nailed down, my faves are the likes of Doohan, Rainey, Lawson, Spencer with a distinct liking of McCoy (have met - fantastic guy) and believe it or not Max B (we are talking GP only). Outside of GP I have a strong like for Bayliss (obviously) as well as a number of lesser names probably never really known on the world stage.

Admiration, well I strongly admire (and not sucking up) Hayden who for me and with total respect to the guy is one of the lesser lights of the world stage. He won a WC by accumulating the most points which is what a championship is about) but because he did not win many races he is for some reason treated as a 'lucky leper' (leper only added because it starts with L and flows with lucky ).


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, no they are not silent, that's my point, and except for a few, most of the counterpoints are weak. We all gloat (well except the Hayden fans, since we have nothing to gloat about Errr) but, even then there are easy rebuts when it goes beyond the "gloating". Saying your guy (who ever that may be) is the best every, well that's gloating, saying the competition uses more TC because one listened to the bike going past at 100mph plus, well that not gloating and easily refuted. See the difference?

Oh well, its not for me to say. Defend your guy if your able and willing I guess.


By silient I refer to the persons that I consider as contributing worthwhile discussion points and do notice now that Michael has posted a great reply. I readily see that the usual suspects have replied in kind to similar comments from 'the other side' and so the game continues with shot and return of serve, but sadly the game lacks the game ending counterpoints.

As for gloating, maybe we use different meanings as my interpretation and intent was a none to subtle dig at the continued 'over the top' abusive type of gloat and not that which you refer in Hayden terms (or the BS/Opinion type as per your example). Maybe I should have chosen different words or terminology but wanted to avoid the use of words that seem to illicit the level and type of comment that I find so repetitive and draining to read (until you get the good posts).

As for CS, there is little to defend just as there is little reason as he remains third in the title chase and within reach of a title, whetehr that is realistic is the matter as teh Yamaha package at the moment seems far superior but time will tell. As for defending at personal insult level, I have and will continue to do so but again, it drains and eventually one can only make the same point so many times.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 05:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>EDIT:

After reading some of the posts after yours Garry, I'm happy to see some of the Aussies coming to life. Excellent.

Absolutely but I am not so sure they are all Aussies, but yes they do have more fight than I do at the moment.



PS. Don't give up on Hayden as he has looked good of late and whilst he may not win another WC or even race, I suspect that he will remain a strong force and dare I say it, very worthy and welcome #2 at Ducati.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 20 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>oh i see, you want rossi fans to reply to this ..... so the other stoner fans namely SoD can come in here bleating its the same old rossi fans ....... up the thread again.
No Rog, Just my opinion of what I see. I see that the Yamaha is so far superior that it is silly to suggest that is just the talent of the two riders that is resulting in 1-2 finishes. I am not suggesting they are not talented as that would make me like the Rossi groupies that I despise so much, I am just saying that the Yamaha has a faster maximum potential. Surely you understand that concept. But just to make it easier. Does a mini have a faster or slower lap time potential than a Porche?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jul 20 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your wrong in every aspect of this.
Of course I am to you but I not looking through your glasses!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 20 2009, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i didn't say the yam isn't the best bike at the moment. just questioning the motives behind TP70's comments.

infact i would not only say the fiat yam is the best all round bike, i'd say it had the best riders on board, the best crew chief, best mechanics, best team and best factory executives making all that possible. How could you not be a fan of that ?

but saying that stoner's bike didn't look to disadvantage, well not in the first 3 laps anyway
Why Rog do I have to have some devious motive. Just plainly stating what I see and relating it to a very well publisied and argued point of the past. You are always quick to have a go at the Stoner fan but you don't realise that the Stoner fan was created by the likes of yourself who only ever disrespected Stoner in 2007. Now we compare today to whatthe likes of you said in 2007 you get your knickers all twisted up.

Sorry mate I realise this is YOUR forum!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Off topic (or actually ‘on topic’ lately): I’ve been rolling in laughter reading this thread. The Stoner fans around here are getting killed. And for no good reason really since it should be EASY enough to debate or counter banter your side of the issue. It’s been HILARIOUS seeing the Rossi Faithful (now energized, and rightly so) having a field day with Stoner fans (Hahaha). C'mon Casey fans, get your .... together!

Gee Jumkie ...... are you telling me you would reply?

The only thing that comes from heckling of Stoner is the obvious conclusion that the Rossi fans are wary of Stoner. So in fact all this "attention" is a compliment, is it not?

I don't see Elias getting some fairytale treatment ..... do you?

Pedrosa"

Hayden?

Even Lorenzo? ( he's even had the same exceptional bike as Rossi and he's still not a worry )

Vermulen? ( he's even an Aussie ....... so is it Aussie heckling? ...... no its fear of Stoner specifically ...... and with good reason )

Stoner dethroned Rossi dramatically before, and all excuses have proved pure ........ ( remember when the Ducati was touted ( only by the Rossifans ) as the best bike )

Stoner is the guy most likely to do it again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 21 2009, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As for the 75 year record, well it was interesting to hear that the English Cricket Team had not beaten Australian for 75 years at Lords, the home of english cricket. I for one would seriously have expected the Brits to have a better record at their home ground and was honestly surprised.

IS it really that bad! 1 win in 75 years!

Not that I care about cricket one bit.


Edit: Ok I was wondering about this ...... why are the Pomms so bad at sport, why are they the worlds biggest whingers?, why do they have no good motorcycle riders ..... Charlie Boorman seems to be the best they have at present

We have been telling them that they are soft and that they need "concrete pills to "H the F up!"

but I think in reality the real problem is actually concrete!!

They need to bulldoze all those concrete multistory flats in england, take away their Tele's and couches, and give them tents and make them live outdoors for a while!!

1 win in 75 years!!! ........ thats beyond sad!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 21 2009, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If I am to be nailed down, my faves are the likes of Doohan, Rainey, Lawson, Spencer with a distinct liking of McCoy (have met - fantastic guy)

As for CS, there is little to defend just as there is little reason as he remains third in the title chase and within reach of a title, whetehr that is realistic is the matter

Garry
I am with you on both these points.

Being a mccoy fan is perhaps one of the few things the likes of you and I share with valentino rossi, whom I think commented that he enjoyed watching mccoy ride in 2000. Roger is I believe also a fan.

On the second point having been accused in my youth probably correctly of being excessively wedded to aristotlean logic I am not going to complain about any lack of general acclaim for stoner whilst he is for whatever reason only the third or fourth best performed rider as is currently the case. If he has another dominant championship win like 2007 in the future, which admittedly does not look inevitable at present, and is again largely vilified for it, then I will again have cause for complaint.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 21 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am with you on both these points.

Being a mccoy fan is perhaps one of the few things the likes of you and I share with valentino rossi, whom I think commented that he enjoyed watching mccoy ride in 2000. Roger is I believe also a fan.

Crap, you mean as an Aussie I have something common with Roger?

Oh the pain of it all, I think I will need to change that and no longer like McCoy

Nah, all good Roger as IMO McCoy was pure entertainment right from when Sheene got him the 125cc ride. One of the true underdogs of the sport was McCoy who remains so today.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 21 2009, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you're not denying that you don't like Stoner or Aussies because of a few fans?

You're humour is lost because you don't have any. The mindless drivel comes out about Stoner every second you can. You talk about Stoner whinging, but we only ever get to see you whinge about Stoner, monotonously day in, day out every possible second on every possible thread. There is no humour in it, just mean spirited, fact less drivel. Just look at your snide comments on this thread, let alone innumerable other ones. Stoner says something, Stoner looks at something, it's all the same to you. you'll turn it into yet another Stoner bashing session.

You called Tom out as a troll, but you've acted much worse in this thread. Are you going to threaten to bash him again?
I'll leave you with this quote made by you which says it all -
"no chance.
the shame of it is i was one of the few who in 06 who said he would be a champ and was only finding his feet, but because of the influx in aussie fanboy ......s here i will be glad and laugh when he fail's. a few of his fans turned me off him and aussies in general. one or two here i like and you know who you are."
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...c=7762&st=0
post #5
no ,i hsave never denyed that. In fact you are one one the over patriotic whinging fans that turned myself and many others off stoner. i use to call you the whinging quintet.

so you say but you dont debate the actual comment, you just make gerneral statement's without proving your case. Recently you have visited threads only to cry how its been ruined by stoner bashing, yet you make no attemp to refute any claims made by the people you accuse. Your the biggest whinger out the lot mate.


interesting you stick up for tom and drag up the past. let he who is without sin cast the first stone. not so nice yourself are you do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Well, ........, it's because I don't. I know you hate Stoner, why don't you just put it down that you hate him because he's going to whip Rossi's arse again this weekend. I'm on higher ground then you because you're like a shitstain on a toilet bowl - I'm pissing on it, trying to wash away the dirty stain that you are.
link

if you dont like something i say about your fav rider, then debate that point, thats what forums are about, coming in and whining about it just makes you look like the bloke you support.

no it was you who ...... this thrwead with your "sooking"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 21 2009, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"sooking"

hey thats my word!! ...... I say "sooking"! ....... thats my catchword!


you can't go taking my word and throwing it back at us!!!


that hurts Rog! flooding Australia with tears you are!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 21 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IS it really that bad! 1 win in 75 years!

Not that I care about cricket one bit.


Edit: Ok I was wondering about this ...... why are the Pomms so bad at sport, why are they the worlds biggest whingers?, why do they have no good motorcycle riders ..... Charlie Boorman seems to be the best they have at present

We have been telling them that they are soft and that they need "concrete pills to "H the F up!"

but I think in reality the real problem is actually concrete!!

They need to bulldoze all those concrete multistory flats in england, take away their Tele's and couches, and give them tents and make them live outdoors for a while!!

1 win in 75 years!!! ........ thats beyond sad!
O.k Barry, so you're saying that currently you don't rate Redding or Smith, or even Toseland on a Superbike, and in the meantime Crutchlow and Laverty are just making up the numbers in WSS. The arrival of Camier next season into WSBk is nothing to look forward to and such names as Duke, Surtees, Read, Graham, Sheene, and Hailwood have absolutely no significance at all.

Have the last two Rugby World Cup Championships escaped you as well?

Interesting that you don't care for cricket, (bodyline tour still a painful memory?) it strikes me, you don't care much for motorcycle racing either.