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Sachsenring Grand Prix Warm up and Quali

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 12 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You hit the nail on the head- the Stoner fans only care for their rider to win, they don’t give a toss that the sport have become a pathetic procession.

Think about Rossi at Phillip Island in 2003, What happened?
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Once you work out the puzzle then tell me that was a boring race or a pathetic procession
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 13 2008, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is a true sports man. He is a great rider, charismatic person, kind, funny. On top of being the greatest rider ever, he is also a great author. That is why we love him.


A little known fact about Rossi, is that he is also a qualified Florist.
 
Ah, the Rossi Stoner battle.

This is truly an amazing fight among fans of the common spectacle.

If it’s Casey then it’s the bike – problem is the authors of this ridiculous theory cannot account for the poor average of 4 ducatis – the Yamaha is a much better package on average.

If Casey wins its magneti marelli – despite the fact the EVERY rider out there has an ECU and Casey only has the series 1ECU. Rossi has the series 2 (improved unit) AND Yamaha own magneti marelli. Why would they gives the best unit to a competitor – answer – THEY DIDN’T

Go to Magneti Marelli’s web page. Expect to see a shrine to Casey Stoner?

The only motorcycle pictured is No.46. Must be Casey riding it.

Casey doesn’t have a history, well, apart from 41 Australian flat track titles and 70+ state titles , 1st in Aprilia 125 cup, 2nd in both British and Spanish 125cc championships in the same year (would have won both but for clashing dates), KTM’s first win in 125gp, 2nd in the 250’s on a satellite bike (wiping the floor with Jorge who was on the factory Aprilia – he had to wait for Dani and Casey to go to motogp to win his title).

Only ever rode 1 factory bike – the Ducati and he won the motogp world championship with 300+ points – a Rossiesque margin that.

If you want exciting racing put every rider on a contract like Casey – low pay and big win bonuses

When they’re eating baked beans on toast they will learn to get on the gas earlier and brake later.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 12 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the Rossi Stoner battle.

This is truly an amazing fight among fans of the common spectacle.

If it's Casey then it's the bike – problem is the authors of this ridiculous theory cannot account for the poor average of 4 ducatis – the Yamaha is a much better package on average.

If Casey wins its magneti marelli – despite the fact the EVERY rider out there has an ECU and Casey only has the series 1ECU. Rossi has the series 2 (improved unit) AND Yamaha own magneti marelli. Why would they gives the best unit to a competitor – answer – THEY DIDN'T

Go to Magneti Marelli's web page. Expect to see a shrine to Casey Stoner?

The only motorcycle pictured is No.46. Must be Casey riding it.

Casey doesn't have a history, well, apart from 41 Australian flat track titles and 70+ state titles , 1st in Aprilia 125 cup, 2nd in both British and Spanish 125cc championships in the same year (would have won both but for clashing dates), KTM's first win in 125gp, 2nd in the 250's on a satellite bike (wiping the floor with Jorge who was on the factory Aprilia – he had to wait for Dani and Casey to go to motogp to win his title).

Only ever rode 1 factory bike – the Ducati and he won the motogp world championship with 300+ points – a Rossiesque margin that.

If you want exciting racing put every rider on a contract like Casey – low pay and big win bonuses

When they're eating baked beans on toast they will learn to get on the gas earlier and brake later.

Good post man

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<u>Rossi targets Sachsenring podium.</u>

Valentino Rossi to start Sunday's German Grand Prix from just seventh on the grid after being held up by team-mate Jorge Lorenzo and suffering grip problems in qualifying.

Valentino Rossi is aiming to fight his way up from seventh on the German Grand Prix grid to a podium finish in Sunday's race.

The Fiat Yamaha star, who sits just four points behind world championship leader Dani Pedrosa, won the 2006 event from eleventh on the grid - but with reigning champion Casey Stoner, 29 points from the title lead, enjoying such incredible form a repeat of that epic victory looks unlikely.

Instead, the Italian says he will consider Sunday's race a success if he can finish in the top three after suffering grip problems and being held up by team-mate Jorge Lorenzo during qualifying.

"Today things didn't go how we hoped with the qualifying tyres," confirmed Rossi. "We had four as usual and, with the best one, unfortunately I found Jorge on the last corner. He was slowing down to enter the pits and he didn't see me, this was just unlucky because I think that lap could have been good enough for the second row.

"Then with my last tyre my lap looked like it would be good enough for the front row but I had some problems with grip on the last two corners and I lost about half a second, so finally we are on the third row!

"I know I have passed many riders before here but everyone is so close now that I know it will be very hard and so it's going to be very important that I get a good start.

"Luckily after the problems of yesterday and this morning we have found a good setting and a good Bridgestone tyre, and this afternoon we were as fast as Pedrosa so I think if I can manage not to lose too many places in the first few laps, then I can fight for the podium. This is my target for tomorrow," declared Rossi, who will set a new record for consecutive grand prix starts on Sunday, when the seven time world champion makes his 202nd successive appearance since his first race in 1996.

Lorenzo will start two places in front of his team-mate and apologised for costing Rossi time.

"I'm really sorry that Valentino was behind me on one of his fast laps, I was slowing down to go into the pits and I wasn't aware that he was there," said the Spaniard. "In fact I didn't know anything about it until afterwards but I am very sorry that it happened, especially when he was doing such a good lap."
MotoGP rookie Lorenzo, winner at Estoril, claims he isn't feeling too confident for the race - and can't help but reflect on his amazing start to the season, when he took three poles and three podiums from his first three races.

"With the race tyre we still have problems and it's very frustrating; we don't have enough grip with the rear and this means I don't have enough confidence in the bike and I can't ride fast," he said.

"More than ever today, I am finding it very hard to understand how I was so fast earlier on in the season and now I am so slow!" he confessed.

Source: Crash.Net/Eurosport
 
Saturday Quote Machine from Germany
Saturday, July 12, 2008

Various and sundry PR from today's action at the German Grand Prix:

10 - German GP - Qualifying

FOURTH STRAIGHT POLE FOR STONER, MELANDRI IMPROVES RACE PACE

Casey Stoner took his fourth consecutive MotoGP pole position and the fourteenth of his Grand Prix career today, smashing Dani Pedrosa's pole record at the Sachsenring circuit, set in 2006 on the 990cc machine, by eight tenths of a second. In an exciting climax to this afternoon's hour-long qualifying session the Australian improved his lap time with each of the three qualifying tyres available to him, after again showing impressive form on race tyres.

Marco Melandri was unable to make such good use of his qualifying tyre, meanwhile, although his feeling in race trim has improved and he is looking forward to making up positions in tomorrow's race.

CASEY STONER (Ducati Marlboro Team) 1st: 1'21.067

"Qualifying never used to be a strong point of ours but now we seem to be turning it into one and that is a credit to the team, but also to Bridgestone, who have worked relentlessly on this aspect. We have to be thankful to them for that and to have enjoyed four consecutive pole positions together is fantastic for everybody. It has been a good weekend so far but not perfect because of the crash yesterday, which dented my confidence a little bit. The feeling with the front through that corner was good today though, which means I could get on the attack again today. I was struggling a little bit with the rear spinning up in T4 and I didn't expect my final lap to be enough for pole but we made up enough time in T3 to pull it off and I'm delighted. We have a decision to make on the race tyre depending on the weather because track temperature today was about 15 degrees less than yesterday so the hard compounds we were using just struggled a little bit today. We couldn't do quite the same lap times although I wasn't pushing as hard either, so it would make the decision easier if the sun comes back out tomorrow! We're trying our best to chase down this championship and we'll see if it will be possible."

MARCO MELANDRI (Ducati Marlboro Team) 16th: 1'23.131

"I'm disappointed that I couldn't make more of the qualifying tyre because I think we've taken a good step forward today with the race set-up. If we have a dry race tomorrow I don't think we'll be in bad shape and we could make up some positions, hopefully I'll enjoy myself too. I know that it is never easy to go full race distance here because the track really puts the bike and tyres to the test but I feel much more confident than I have done lately."




REPSOL REPSOL HONDA'S PEDROSA 2nd FASTEST AT THE 'RING

German Grand Prix, Sachsenring
Qualifying, Saturday July 12 2008

Repsol Honda rider and World Championship leader Dani Pedrosa had a good day at the Sachsenring today, topping this morning's free practice session aboard his RC212V and qualifying a promising second fastest in this afternoon's qualifier. Team-mate Nicky Hayden was also impressive this morning, running third fastest, but wasn't quite able to repeat the performance in qualifying, coming out eighth.
The morning session started on a wet track following an earlier downpour but by the end of the hour Pedrosa and Hayden were both running fast on race tyres, the only riders to improve on their Friday pace. Pedrosa, who scored his seventh front-row start of the year today, still has some further fine-tuning to do before the race as he works to defend his championship points lead. Hayden meanwhile is confident of his race pace and will be focusing all his attention on getting a flying start from the third row to get him into the first corner in a front-running position.


Dani Pedrosa, second fastest, 1m 21.420s
"Today went quite well for us, so I'm happy with my second position on the grid. I didn't expect to achieve this result because we were using up the qualifying tyres in the last section of the track. Starting from the front row is especially important at this track because it's so tight, especially the first section. All in all, it was a good session. We improved the chassis set-up so the bike is giving me a better feeling. We have met the first target of starting from the front row, so I am quite confident for tomorrow, but we still need to make some more adjustments to further improve our race pace. Once again the big question is the weather, the forecast still says there's a chance of rain tomorrow, so we will have to see what happens."

Nicky Hayden, eighth fastest, 1m 21.876s
"This morning we made a bit of an improvement and I was able to improve my lap time even though the track wasn't so good, so I was quite excited, I thought we had a good chance in qualifying. At the start of qualifying I was going decent on some pretty used tyres that by the end had race distance on them, so I felt pretty good. But the qualifiers didn't go as we wanted. We had an issue with a front wheel sensor when I went out on my third qualifier, so we had to come in and change the sensor, which lost us some time and some rhythm. Basically we didn't get it done. On qualifiers my T1 and T2 times were really good but T3 and T4 weren't so good. It seems like maybe we were a little soft on the front suspension or we've improved the rear so much that maybe it's overworking the front tyre. Looking at tomorrow, I've gotten some good starts this year, we're right in the middle of the third row, so I'm sure there's going to be plenty of drama, plenty of action. I feel like we've got a decent pace, so the race should be okay."


Kazuhiko Yamano - Team Manager

"Dani did a good job today, second is a good result here. It's important to get a good start because overtaking isn't easy at this track. His target is still victory. Nicky's race pace was good but he was a little unlucky on his final attack this afternoon, so he will need a good start from the third row. His pace on race tyres is quite good, so I think it is still possible for him to target the podium."



Sachsenring - Germany - July 12, 2008

Andrea Dovizioso enjoys best qualifying of the season with fourth place

The second day of practice for the German Grand Prix was concluded under dry conditions with some clouds in the sky but with temperature on the Tarmac down by 10 degrees compared to yesterday. Conditions therefore were good for the Honda/Michelin riders and also for Andrea Dovizioso, who took fifth in the morning despite some competitors actually going slower than yesterday. In the afternoon the JiR Team Scot squad found a good result - the best of the season so far in qualifying - and Andrea eventually went very close to the front-row but will instead start the German Grand Prix tomorrow in fourth place on the grid. For sure this will be a race full of emotion with Andrea and the team motivated to confirm the good work done during these two days of practice.

Cirano Mularoni - Team Manager JiR Team Scot
"Today's result showed the very good job done by the team on these first two days. This morning was spent on the final tuning of the bike, and we have been going in the right direction, which is why we can count on a pace that will be competitive in the race. In the afternoon Andrea definitely used to the maximum the qualifying tyres and will start from the second row tomorrow - in the last minute of the qualifying session we were so close to the first row! The whole job done so far will show to the team that we can focus on daily improvements in our performance."

Andrea Dovizioso - Pilot JiR Team Scot MotoGP HONDA RC212V
4th time: 1'21 "656
"I can be very satisfied about our progress made in qualifying conditions today. Using a race front tyre I found a good way to better use the rear qualifying tyre and in the last run I was able to take fourth position. Tomorrow will be different from recent race starts, as we begin the race near to the front and I will need to use at the maximum this sort of advantage to be immediately with the leaders, which is why I do think we can have a very good race. Sachsenring doesn't require incredible levels of power, but instead it's better to ride with an engine that has a smooth power delivery and that's just like the one we have.

There are many of us that are close together on times, but I do expect a good ?show' tomorrow. The podium will be difficult to reach, but nothing is impossible. My pace is around 1m 22 ?high' and other riders able to do 1 22 ?lows'. The more important target will be consistency, if we want to take maximum results."

Gianni Berti - Technical Coordinator JiR Team Scot
"We were able to work on a technical package that has proven to be very good and which allowed us to achieve the best qualifying position so far this season. Chief technician Pietro Caprara along with co-ordination with Michelin has shown good team-work and found a balance between tyres and suspension that has allowed us to move forward in a very positive way. This has happened just in time for the race tomorrow, where we hope to get reward for our two days of intense, hard work."



Michelin

Michelin was the dominant tyre brand at the top of MotoGP qualifying at the tight and technical Sachsenring this afternoon, Michelin men filling five of the six places on the front two rows of the grid.

Pole position man Casey Stoner (Ducati Marlboro Desmosedici) was in a class of his own but the battle for second place was thrilling, with three changes of second place in the final seconds of the qualifying session. Class rookie Andrea Dovizioso (JiR Team Scot Honda RC212V-Michelin) held the runner-up spot for a matter of seconds before he was toppled by Colin Edwards (Yamaha Tech 3 YZR-M1-Michelin) who was then bettered by World Championship leader Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda RC212V-Michelin). Jorge Lorenzo (Fiat Yamaha Team YZR-M1-Michelin) also featured well, ending the day fifth fastest, just ahead of Randy de Puniet (Honda LCR RC212V-Michelin). Just four tenths covered the top five Michelin men.

"The qualifying session went quite well for us," said Jean-Philippe Weber, Michelin's director of motorcycle racing. "It's good to see our qualifiers working well, though the most important thing we have done this year is our work on race tyres, improving grip, operating range and warm-up. Dani and the rest of our guys did some good laps on race tyres today, but much will depend on the weather, which seems to be the story of this season. Conditions are once again very changeable, tomorrow could be cooler or it could be warmer and even rain is a possibility. In this morning's damp session we had enough time so see that our intermediates are working well here.

"Dani is in really good shape. He has done a really good job with his team, but it will be a tough race for all the riders because everyone is pushing hard. This track is so demanding on the left side of the tyres, so track temperature can have a big effect on lap times. Conditions were a bit cooler today than they were yesterday when the high track temperature meant we had to work hard to improve front grip, using the hardest front tyres, then adjusting tyre pressure and compound and making machine settings adjustments."

Pedrosa reckons he can make some further overnight adjustments to improve his race pace after scoring his seventh front row start of the year. "Today we improved the chassis set-up so the bike gives me a better feeling," said the Spaniard. "But we still need to make some more adjustments to further improve our race pace."



HONDA RACING INFORMATION

German Grand Prix at The Sachsenring: final qualifying

Saturday 12 July 2008

Weather: dry, overcast
Temperature: ambient 20-degrees, track 26-degrees

PEDROSA ON FRONT ROW AND IN THE HUNT FOR WIN

Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda RC212V) worked
typically hard in a tough hour of final
qualifying to snatch a front row start from
second on the grid behind poleman Casey Stoner
(Ducati) with Yamaha rider Colin Edwards completing the front row.

This is Dani's seventh front row start of the
season so far and the current World Championship
points leader had to work hard for it. Stoner,
who has been in commanding form here, looked set
to boss the hour-long session and it took Dani
until the final five minutes to cement his place on the front row.

But when he did it was a convincing lap, just
0.353 seconds shy of his Australian rival's 1m
21.067s pole time. Title rival Valentino Rossi
(Yamaha) could only manage seventh on the grid
for a third row start that could hamper his
podium ambitions here at this narrow track.

Stoner topped the timesheets at the start of the
session with a 1m 23.149s time and with the track
surface at a vastly reduced temperature compared
to yesterday, riders had to re-establish a
rapport with grip levels at this tight and tricky 3.671km circuit.

Alex de Angelis (San Carlo Honda Gresini RC212V),
who was second fastest yesterday, began well and
lay third after ten minutes, but he gradually
slipped down the order, unable to find anything
more from qualifying tyres to compete at the
sharp end of the grid. He ended the session with
the tenth fastest time, but only 0.910s off Stoner's pole.

Randy de Puniet (LCR Honda RC212V), who was
charging hard throughout this session, was an
early provisional pole-sitter in the first
fifteen minutes until Edwards relieved the
Frenchman of top slot with a 1m 21.794s lap. At
the halfway point the front row comprised Edwards, De Puniet and De Angelis.

Specks of rain began to spatter riders with
twenty minutes to go and this threat of a
downpour prompted many to pit and fit qualifying
tyres in case the weather worsened - it held off
- but the rush for super-grippy rubber was underway.

Stoner reclaimed pole with a 1m 21.666s lap while
Nicky Hayden (Repsol Honda RC212V), who was
riding typically hard, finally had something to
show for his endeavours with a 1m 21.876s lap,
good enough for provisional fourth.

With ten minutes left of the stint Stoner again
shaved his lap down. This time to 1m 21.330s and
Dani responded by elevating himself from seventh
to second with a 1m 21.692s time knocking Rossi
off the front row. The Italian former World
Champion would then drop to fifth after his
Yamaha team-mate Jorge Lorenzo snatched fourth.

There was more to come from Stoner though. The
Aussie slashed his time again, a 1m 21.067s lap -
almost a second quicker than the existing record
lap. The final seconds of the session however would yield further surprises.

Andrea Dovizioso (JiR Scot Honda RC212V) who'd
been quietly whittling away at his lap times
found all he needed from qualifying rubber with
seconds to spare and hustled his RCV to second on
the grid, before Edwards and then Dani snatched
that spot back. He ended up fourth, knocking Lorenzo back into fifth.

All six Honda riders are in the top ten here with
Dani at two, Dovi fourth to head the second row,
De Puniet sixth, Hayden eighth, Shinya Nakano
(San Carlo Honda Gresini RC212V) ninth and De
Angelis tenth after looking like a potential front row contender yesterday.

Dani said: "Today went quite well for us, so I'm
happy with my second position on the grid.
Starting from the front row is especially
important at this track because it's so tight,
especially the first section. All in all, it was
a good session. We improved the chassis set-up so
the bike is giving me a better feeling. We have
met the first target of starting from the front
row, so I am quite confident for tomorrow, but we
still need to make some more adjustments to
further improve our race pace. The forecast still
says there's a chance of rain tomorrow, so we will have to see what happens."

Dovizioso, fourth on the grid, his best
qualifying ride so far in his rookie season,
said: "I'm satisfied about our progress in
qualifying today. Tomorrow will be different from
recent race starts, as we're near the front and
I'll need to use this advantage to be immediately
with the leaders, which is why I think we can
have a very good race. Sachsenring doesn't
require incredible levels of power, but instead
it's better to ride with an engine that has a
smooth power delivery and that's just like the
one we have. There are many of us that are close
together on times, but I do expect a good ?show'
tomorrow. The podium will be difficult to reach, but nothing is impossible."

De Puniet, sixth fastest on row two, said: "I'm
quite satisfied today because we improved the
bike set-up, then my pace in race trim is very
competitive and I also gained a good lap time on
qualifiers. I shaved 0.6 seconds off my time on
race tyres compared with yesterday and this is
very important. We could have got on the front
row but I found Nakano in front of me during my
fast lap and lost three tenths; I was a bit
disappointed but this is racing and everybody
tries to get the maximum on soft tyres.
Tomorrow's race will be very close and I'll have
to do a very good start to stay with the first group."

Nicky, eighth fastest, said: "This morning we
made a bit of an improvement and I was able to
improve my lap time even though the track wasn't
so good, so I was quite excited, I thought we had
a good chance in qualifying. At the start of
qualifying I was going decent on some pretty used
tyres that by the end had race distance on them,
so I felt pretty good. But the qualifiers didn't
go as we wanted. We had an issue with a front
wheel sensor when I went out on my third
qualifier, so we had to come in and change the
sensor, which lost us some time and some rhythm.
Basically we didn't get it done. I feel like
we've got a decent pace, so the race should be OK."

Nakano in ninth said: "The third row meets our
minimum expectations but ninth position is not
100% satisfactory. This morning we struggled with
the lower temperatures, but in the afternoon we
got our pace back together and I pushed hard on
race tyres, so now I feel ready for both kinds of
conditions. Obviously we still have room for
improvement on the qualifying tyre because even
though ninth place is not bad we are only a
couple of tenths off the second row and that is my true target."

His team-mate De Angelis, on row four, said:
"Twelfth place equals my best grid position so
far, which was at Mugello, but I'm not satisfied.
After being so fast in the three free practice
sessions I feel I deserve to be higher up the
grid. Unfortunately I still don't seem able to
get the best out of the qualifying tyre and we'll
have to keep working hard together with
Bridgestone over the next few races to find a
solution that best suits my riding style."


Bridgestone


Sensational Stoner takes Sachsenring top spot


Round 10: Germany - Qualifying

Sachsenring Circuit - Saturday 12 July 2008

Ducati's Casey Stoner has stormed to his fourth consecutive pole position of the season with a sensational lap of the
Sachsenring this afternoon. Stoner's best lap, set using a Bridgestone rear qualifying tyre in the final minutes of the
hour-long session, was nearly 0.4s quicker than second-placed man Dani Pedrosa, and 0.8s faster than the existing
pole position record set by Pedrosa in 2006. Colin Edwards will complete the front row after finishing third this
afternoon.

Fiat Yamaha rider Valentino Rossi claimed the seventh best time after a busy afternoon session which saw the Italian
miss the front row by three-tenths-of-a-second. However, Rossi showed improved pace on race tyres at the start of
the session and was able to lap in the mid 1m22s bracket.

Only half-a-second separates Pedrosa in second from the San Carlo Honda Gresini duo of Shinya Nakano and Alex
De Angelis in ninth and tenth positions respectively. Both riders have also shown encouraging race pace this
weekend, with De Angelis in particularly competitive form, and will be hopeful of making progress up through the
order in tomorrow's 30-lap race.

Tyre Talk with Tohru Ubukata - Bridgestone Motorsport - Manager, Motorcycle Race Tyre Development

How would you summarise today's qualifying session?

"It was another supreme lap from Casey today, so again congratulations to him and Ducati for their fourth pole
position in a row. It is the fifth in a row for a rider on Bridgestone tyres, equalling the run that we had last year which
Chris Vermeulen started in Assen and which Casey continued for four races thereafter. In that respect, I am pleased,
but our other riders were unable to produce similar performances on qualifying tyres this afternoon with just three
additional riders - Valentino, Shinya and Alex - claiming top ten results. It was very closely-fought for the second and
third rows of the grid with just a few tenths-of-a-second making a big difference in position, so hopefully this will give
us good racing tomorrow afternoon."

How is the performance on race tyres?

"For race tyre performance, I am much more satisfied and many of our riders already have a good indication of the
specification tyre for tomorrow's race. We could not carry out longer runs today, but the initial performance with
several of our riders is very pleasing. Casey, of course, continues to set the benchmark, but Alex and Valentino also
appear to be in good shape. We will, however, only find out about the longevity of our tyres in the race itself."



WEST LOOKS FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT SACHSENRING

Kawasaki's Anthony West endured another difficult day at Sachsenring today, qualifying in 17th place after a high-speed crash during this morning's free practice session saw him struggling to regain confidence in the front end grip of his Ninja ZX-RR during this afternoon's timed session.

West crashed heavily halfway through this morning's hour-long session, losing the front of his Ninja ZX-RR at Turn Eight, the 200km/h downhill right-hander that also claimed pole position man Casey Stoner during yesterday's afternoon practice. The Kawasaki pilot was lucky to walk away uninjured, but his Ninja ZX-RR required extensive repairs as a result of the crash.

West returned to the track aboard his spare bike, but an electrical problem brought the bike to a halt after just one lap, with the result that West only completed eight laps of the 3.761km Sachsenring circuit during the final free practice session.

This lack of track time was apparent during the afternoon qualifying session, with West struggling in the limited time available to find a set-up that provided him with the required level of feedback from the front end of his Ninja ZX-RR.

A switch to qualifying tyres in the final 30 minutes brought little improvement in West's lap time, as the super-sticky rear induced chatter in the bike that wasn't apparent on race rubber. West did manage to improve on his previous best lap time on his final qualifier, but it wasn't enough to elevate him further up the grid for tomorrow's 30-lap race.

Despite the setbacks, the 26-year-old Australian heads into tomorrow's German Grand Prix determined to bring his Ninja ZX-RR home in the points.


Anthony West
#13 - 17th - 1'23.158
"What a completely disappointing day. The conditions this morning were pretty difficult, as the track started wet but then began to dry out after about 30 minutes. I wasn't pushing so hard because of the track conditions, but I lost the front just as I turned into the right-hander at the top of the hill halfway through the session. It was another big crash, and it came without any warning, which doesn't do your confidence any good. We lost a lot of track time this morning, and that cost us this afternoon. We simply ran out of time to work on set-up and I just had to try and do the best I could on the qualifying tyres. But even on the soft rubber there were problems, with chatter making it very difficult to get on the gas early and make best use of the extra grip that a qualifier gives you. I'll be sitting down with my crew tonight to try and figure out how we can make improvements for tomorrow. Whatever we do it's still going to be a tough race but, as usual, I'll be getting my head down and trying to make up as many places as I can from the start."



Edwards on front row, Jorge Lorenzo starting from fifth

Colin Edwards


Colin Edwards handed the Tech 3 Yamaha team its sixth front row start of 2008 after another impressive qualifying performance at the Sachsenring today.

Wary that rain might disrupt the session after a weather-hit final practice session this morning, Edwards used one of his Michelin qualifying tyres early and he jumped to the top of the timesheets with a lap of 1.21.794. More than half the session still remained at that stage, but Edwards was always in contention for his fourth front row start of the season. And in the closing seconds, a best lap of 1.21.519 on his final Michelin qualifying tyre saw him claim third on the grid, just 0.099s behind. MotoGP world championship leader Dani Pedrosa and dominant Casey Stoner. Edwards is confident that his race pace will be good enough to challenge for a third podium of the season in tomorrow's 30- lap race.

A late set-up change with his YZR-M1 machine reaped immediate rewards for British team-mate James Toseland. The 27- year-old was able to knock a full second off his previous best time with the alteration, which helped with rear traction. Toseland moved up as high as ninth on the third row before he slipped down to 11th in the closing stages. He was only 0.5s away from the front row with another determined display.

Colin Edwards 3rd 1.21.519 - 26 laps
We tried something different this morning and I don't know if I woke up on the wrong side of the bed or what we tried was bizarre, even though it wasn't far from what we had yesterday, but it just didn't work. I threw a qualifier in early just to make sure I'd got a time in with the skies looking a bit threatening. You'd hate to be on the pace and not try an early qualifier and be back in ninth or something on the grid. Being on the front row is great for my team because it is so important here with it being so hard to pass on this track. I've never gone well at this track, so if somebody had told me on Thursday I'd be on the front row and ready to fight for the podium, I'm not sure what I would have said. But it's a testament to how good everything is working well together. The bike, the tyres and the team just make a great package. I'd still like a bit more feeling on the front and it kind of feels a bit vague but I think a lot of that's down to the temperature. We have to run a harder front for endurance and it works okay, but it would work great in hotter conditions because the surface was only about 26 degrees out there today. But the Michelin qualifiers are awesome because you can just go and push on them. It might rain tomorrow and we have been trying to sort out a wet setting with the geometry of this year's bike and we have struggled a bit. We have a wet setting that I used to finish second at Donington last year and I used it at Donington in qualifying last month. Just about every time it rains I pull this setting out and use it. So tomorrow I'm not going to mess around and try and make something new work. I'll just get 20 minutes of good time on that setting if its wet in the warm-up. I expect to be up there challenging at the front tomorrow because the total package is working awesome."

James Toseland

James Toseland 11th 1.22.126 - 26 laps
"I made a change for the last qualifier and it was night and day difference. I found it difficult on the first three tyres and couldn't break the 1.23 barrier. With that weight transfer problem pitching weight to the front, I wasn't getting the best out of the extra grip from the qualifier because I didn't have much feel from the rear going into the corners. I've got to say a big thanks to my guys because at the end we made a slight change to the rear of the bike and I did a 22.1. Before that I'd hit a bit of a wall. The change helped massively with the weight transfer and to go a second quicker from one qualifier to the next is a massive improvement. I'm only 11th but another half-a-second and I would have been on the front row, so I'm reasonably happy. I need to get a decent start and hold my position in the top ten because it is a long race and it could rain. Like I said yesterday, this is a tough track. The throttle control knowledge you need for this track is unbelievable. You have got to be so precise and it is almost like you have to learn which position of the throttle you need to be in rather than where you need to be on the track. Too little throttle and you're going too slowly in the corner and too much and you run wide or it unsettles the balance of the bike. In terms of throttle control I've never known a track where you need to be so accurate for lines and apexes and it is so hard because you spend so much time at full lean angle."


Second row boosts Lorenzo's confidence at the Sachsenring

Fiat Yamaha rider Jorge Lorenzo secured his best grid spot since the French Grand Prix back in May today, qualifying fifth for tomorrow's German Grand Prix. The Spanish youngster put in a promising showing on his Michelin qualifying tyres and set his best time on his 25th of 29 laps.

After hot sunshine yesterday, heavy rain early on left the track wet for the morning's practice session, which meant that Lorenzo and his team were unable to try some of their planned modifications. This afternoon's qualifying session was dry but the 21-year-old was unable to make much headway on race tyres and is still lacking the pace that came so easily to him earlier in the year. His good performance on qualifying tyres therefore was a welcome confidence boost and he will be looking to make the most of it in tomorrow's 30-lap race.
Jorge Lorenzo


Jorge Lorenzo - Position: 5thTime: 1'21.795Laps: 29
"We've worked very hard this weekend and I am happy to be on the second row, it's an improvement and with the Michelin qualifying tyres I was able to go quite fast. However with the race tyre we still have problems and it's very frustrating; we don't have enough grip with the rear and this means I don't have enough confidence in the bike and I can't ride fast. More than ever today, I am finding it very hard to understand how I was so fast earlier on in the season and now I am so slow! All we can do is keep working and not stop, in order to try to find the confidence we are lacking. I hope tomorrow that I can make the most of starting on the second row, try to stay with the leading riders and hopefully enjoy my race. I'm sorry really that Valentino was behind me on one of his fast laps, I was slowing down to go into the pits and I wasn't aware that he was there. In fact I didn't know anything about it until afterwards but I am very sorry that it happened, especially when he was doing such a good lap."

Daniele Romagnoli - Team Manager
"Today has been another difficult qualifying session and Jorge still doesn't have enough confidence to ride with as fast a pace as the front riders. Our biggest problem is the lack of rear grip and the fact that the rear tyre is spinning too much, especially under acceleration. The team is working very hard to improve our package but the weather didn't help us much this morning and we didn't have time to try all the solutions we had planned. Therefore we will have to use the warm-up to continue our work! With the Michelin qualifying tyres Jorge was able to make a good second row so for the race we hope he can get a good start and then try to stay with the leading riders."


Rossi finds improved race ahead of German Grand Pirix

Valentino Rossi made significant strides with the set-up of his Fiat Yamaha M1 at the Sachsenring this afternoon, finding an improved race pace around the twisty German track. The Italian will need all the help he can get tomorrow however as he was only able to qualify seventh for the race, at the head of the third row.

After a problematical afternoon yesterday, the team's difficulties were compounded this morning when heavy rain left the track wet and rendered the majority of the first session useless. Luckily the afternoon was dry, if significantly cooler than yesterday, and Rossi and his team were able to find a good balance between their bike and their Bridgestone race tyres to set a string of consistent laps. He was disappointed after this not to qualify better and starting from the third row will complicate issues for him tomorrow as this track is notoriously tricky to pass at, although he defied this in 2006 when winning from 11th.

Rossi will set a new record for consecutive Grand Prix starts with his 202nd successive appearance since his first race in 1996.

Valentino Rossi

Valentino Rossi - Position: 7thTime: 1'21.845Laps: 31
"Today things didn't go how we hoped with the qualifying tyres! We had four as usual and, with the best one, unfortunately I found Jorge on the last corner. He was slowing down to enter the pits and he didn't see me, this was just unlucky because I think that lap could have been good enough for the second row. Then with my last tyre my lap looked like it would be good enough for the front row but I had some problems with grip on the last two corners and I lost about half a second, so finally we are on the third row! I know I have passed many riders before here but everyone is so close now that I know it will be very hard and so it's going to be very important that I get a good start. Luckily after the problems of yesterday and this morning we have found a good setting and a good Bridgestone tyre, and this afternoon we were as fast as Pedrosa so I think if I can manage not to lose too many places in the first few laps, then I can fight for the podium. This is my target for tomorrow."

Davide Brivio - Team Manager
"This afternoon we improved a lot and this qualifying position is disappointing because we had a much better potential and the latest modifications that the team and engineers made worked very well. It seems that we have the pace to race and therefore it's just a pity that we are on the third row; we just couldn't put everything together on the same lap today. We will continue in the morning to make some final adjustments and then hopefully Valentino can get a good start and try to fight his way forward and stay with the leaders."



ENDS

Source : http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080712j.htm
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 12 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the Rossi Stoner battle.

This is truly an amazing fight among fans of the common spectacle.

If it’s Casey then it’s the bike – problem is the authors of this ridiculous theory cannot account for the poor average of 4 ducatis – the Yamaha is a much better package on average.

If Casey wins its magneti marelli – despite the fact the EVERY rider out there has an ECU and Casey only has the series 1ECU. Rossi has the series 2 (improved unit) AND Yamaha own magneti marelli. Why would they gives the best unit to a competitor – answer – THEY DIDN’T

Go to Magneti Marelli’s web page. Expect to see a shrine to Casey Stoner?

The only motorcycle pictured is No.46. Must be Casey riding it.

Casey doesn’t have a history, well, apart from 41 Australian flat track titles and 70+ state titles , 1st in Aprilia 125 cup, 2nd in both British and Spanish 125cc championships in the same year (would have won both but for clashing dates), KTM’s first win in 125gp, 2nd in the 250’s on a satellite bike (wiping the floor with Jorge who was on the factory Aprilia – he had to wait for Dani and Casey to go to motogp to win his title).

Only ever rode 1 factory bike – the Ducati and he won the motogp world championship with 300+ points – a Rossiesque margin that.

If you want exciting racing put every rider on a contract like Casey – low pay and big win bonuses

When they’re eating baked beans on toast they will learn to get on the gas earlier and brake later.


One question, with all his illustrious Australian farm bike championships, why did he lower himself to GP racing?

Surely he could have at least won the Postie bike sheep shag championships before retiring to the easy life of GP.

I'm sure he would have won the British and Spanish championships if it wasnt for clashing dates. And he would have won in 2006 if he could have stayed on the bike.

Sorry, the Casey vs Rossi stuff bores me, and other people who can count past 10. Anyone with a clue about bikes will readily admit that the guy can ride. No question. He won the title in an awesome fashion last year, and at the moment is riding out of his skin. I like Rossi as a rider and as the guy who put bike racing back where it belongs, a mainstream sport. Apologies to Tom and the other " I likied bike racing before it sold out and people watched it brigade" but the guy has lifted it out of the doldrums. I totally rate Stoner as a rider, but as I have said before, he's a greetin faced wee ......., who will do about as much for raising the profile of the sport as watchin re runs of Fogarty interviews.

I await a flood of hate from our Aussie friends.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 12 2008, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One question, with all his illustrious Australian farm bike championships, why did he lower himself to GP racing?

Surely he could have at least won the Postie bike sheep shag championships before retiring to the easy life of GP.

I'm sure he would have won the British and Spanish championships if it wasnt for clashing dates. And he would have won in 2006 if he could have stayed on the bike.

Sorry, the Casey vs Rossi stuff bores me, and other people who can count past 10. Anyone with a clue about bikes will readily admit that the guy can ride. No question. He won the title in an awesome fashion last year, and at the moment is riding out of his skin. I like Rossi as a rider and as the guy who put bike racing back where it belongs, a mainstream sport. Apologies to Tom and the other " I likied bike racing before it sold out and people watched it brigade" but the guy has lifted it out of the doldrums. I totally rate Stoner as a rider, but as I have said before, he's a greetin faced wee ......., who will do about as much for raising the profile of the sport as watchin re runs of Fogarty interviews.

I await a flood of hate from our Aussie friends.

Pete

I guess riding isnt enough anymore,you have to be a clown to get your dues.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 13 2008, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess riding isnt enough anymore,you have to be a clown to get your dues.


Read the post numpty, Stoner gets plenty of respect from me, but facts are facts. His personality is hardly Rossi or Sheene. Thats the point I'm making.

Read again and google the big words if you have to.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 13 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, the Rossi Stoner battle.

This is truly an amazing fight among fans of the common spectacle.

If it’s Casey then it’s the bike – problem is the authors of this ridiculous theory cannot account for the poor average of 4 ducatis – the Yamaha is a much better package on average.

If Casey wins its magneti marelli – despite the fact the EVERY rider out there has an ECU and Casey only has the series 1ECU. Rossi has the series 2 (improved unit) AND Yamaha own magneti marelli. Why would they gives the best unit to a competitor – answer – THEY DIDN’T

Go to Magneti Marelli’s web page. Expect to see a shrine to Casey Stoner?

The only motorcycle pictured is No.46. Must be Casey riding it.

Casey doesn’t have a history, well, apart from 41 Australian flat track titles and 70+ state titles , 1st in Aprilia 125 cup, 2nd in both British and Spanish 125cc championships in the same year (would have won both but for clashing dates), KTM’s first win in 125gp, 2nd in the 250’s on a satellite bike (wiping the floor with Jorge who was on the factory Aprilia – he had to wait for Dani and Casey to go to motogp to win his title).

Only ever rode 1 factory bike – the Ducati and he won the motogp world championship with 300+ points – a Rossiesque margin that.

If you want exciting racing put every rider on a contract like Casey – low pay and big win bonuses

When they’re eating baked beans on toast they will learn to get on the gas earlier and brake later.

These subjects have already been discussed and analyzed to the last bit and down to sheer boredom. Actually, nobody who knows about this sport says it's just the bike about Stoner - although a bike that wins races, is no doubt a winning bike
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The Ducati is difficult to tame, but if one manages to ride it the way it is meant to be ridden, it does fly - and Casey is phenomenal in exploiting its potential.

Magneti Marelli sells you the ECU which is only hardware + operating system. In engine management and traction control it is the software that counts, and the software is coded by the manufacturers for their bike and rider. It is not something you can buy ready made, you gotta write your own...
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The rest... well... Thank you, however I'm sure you'll post more interesting thoughts if you take pain to read what others have already written in this forum.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 13 2008, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>These subjects have already been discussed and analyzed to the last bit and down to sheer boredom. Actually, nobody who knows about this sport says it's just the bike about Stoner - although a bike that wins races, is no doubt a winning bike
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The Ducati is difficult to tame, but if one manages to ride it the way it is meant to be ridden, it does fly - and Casey is phenomenal in exploiting its potential.

Magneti Marelli sells you the ECU which is only hardware + operating system. In engine management and traction control it is the software that counts, and the software is coded by the manufacturers for their bike and rider. It is not something you can buy ready made, you gotta write your own...
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The rest... well... Thank you, however I'm sure you'll post more interesting thoughts if you take pain to read what others have already written in this forum.
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Well said, we hardly need another .... coming on here to stir that stuff up. It'll probably make pinky think he has a friend.

Pete
 
Basspete

What I have difficulty with is that every team is trying to set their bike up to go fastest, when it is one you don’t want who does it best that becomes cheating.

Casey is not unique, nor is Ducati, they are in a competition, and ergo, they compete.

Quoting Mick Doohan replying acerbically to the English press back in the 90’s
“What do you want me to do, slow down?”

Most of us Stoner fans and especially me believe Valentino is the ducks nuts, he is a great rider and has shown himself to be supremely skilled and adaptable, but it wasn’t going to last forever.

As for the sheep shagging competition I loved that. I think Australia has produced enough motorcycling champions to show that if riders from Scotland came over here and raced in the prestigious sheep shagging events you might end up with a Scottish rider to support, you know a “home team”. Whatever you do over there to produce riders isn’t working, buy some sheep and copy the model.

Hang on, let me guess how it works, you hold the popularity content first and then give them the bike AND place in the Haggis Cup (it mings so block your nose), it explains how mystical real racing is to you, and the list of Scottish greats starting with….um….starting with… (Did you have anyone after Hislop?) well, you get the picture.

Hail the sheep daggers,
Baylis 2 x WSBK
Corser 2 x WSBK
Vermuellan 1 x WSSP
Pitt 1 x WSSP
Doohan 5 x 500GP
Muggeridge 1 x WSSP

Plus Mladin (multiple AMA champ), Shane Watts (ISDE outright, GNCC and multiple sheep dagging events), Chad reed current US SX and world SX champ

I haven't even mentioned our flat trackers or speedway guys who also kick butt, and from whose ranks Casey was "chosen"

Stoner Current King of the sheep shaggers

Baaaaaa you .....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sarto @ Jul 13 2008, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A little known fact about Rossi, is that he is also a qualified Florist.
i think its coz most people think u dont need a qualification to be a florist
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Don't sweat the Rossi/Stoner battle BS too hard my aussie chum. The championship for Stoner is well in hand. I think he leaves for the summer break ahead with two more wins and a wide .... eating grin.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 13 2008, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally rate Stoner as a rider, but as I have said before, he's a greetin faced wee ......., who will do about as much for raising the profile of the sport as watchin re runs of Fogarty interviews.

I await a flood of hate from our Aussie friends.

Pete
As I have said before, I think this is a reasonable position; no-one should demand that you like stoner. He certainly does not possess anything like the style of that other rider. You rate him as a rider in a fair minded fashion which is all anyone can ask; I actually don't really care much whether most people do this either when he is winning
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Given that stoner seems to almost go out of his way not to be likeable, whether by accident or design, I guess he and his fans should stop being upset about him being not liked. If he aspires to be doohan-like this is an aspect of doohan's approach he could embrace. Many of the most revered australian sportsmen were ruthless .......s, such as doohan, alan jones the F1 driver, and bradman and steve waugh the cricketers, although alan jones could not be accused of being humourless. It is hard to deny that australians, both as fans and competitors, take sport too seriously. If stoner did decide to compete in a postie-bike sheep shagging championship, I am sure he would go all-out to win
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I actually think their is some prospect of a race today. Pedrosa did numerous consistent 1:22 laps in QP including some long runs on race tyres, and rossi seemed to be finding this pace on race tyres towards the end also. Both have been known this year to find significant improvements between qp and the race. Stoner presumably is also capable of lapping consistently, although he only did short runs and ran far fewer laps than the other riders, perhaps because he was down to his last bike; he was on pole last year and faded to finish 5th in the race though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 12 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A cartoon is your reply? You got nothing
Hahahaha. I think Sackywack was agreeing with you genius. Hence the "good post man." The cartoon was probably for your target audience. Hahaha. I suppose you're gonna flame me too for saying, I agree with everything you've said. Oh, and you might want to reread Pete's post again friend, he was mostly agreeing with you too, just not sucking on Stoner's balls like our resident troll pinky likes to do. But by all means, argue, I love it. Anyway, welcome to the forum.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Evolution @ Jul 12 2008, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is a true sports man. He is a great rider, charismatic person, kind, funny. On top of being the greatest rider ever, he is also a great author. That is why we love him.
Its a little known fact, but Rossi is also a Nobel Prize winner, three times, one in physics, one in chemistry, and one in literature. He came runner up once for peace. Oh did I mention he also won the medal of valor?
 
MichaelM, I agree with you and I've always said that Casey needs some mellow. I originally posted on Crash.net (which is down at present) that I considered Nicki to be the ideal teammate for Casey so he can teach him mellow and cool. This was some time ago.

Everybody is about winning and if they're not then they shouldn’t be in motogp, its just Australians can come across bad as champions and it's a national/cultural problem. Most people who play sport in Australia play it hard and the "sledge" is a tradition. Any number of Australian sportsman come across as complete prats to anyone else but come and play a weekend of footy in Australia and you'll see a whole field of competitiveness like that.

I don't demand anyone like Stoner, but hate because he is a prat and not because he can't ride or is a cheat. If you want someone to argue the merits of the bike, get Marco or Elias to do it, it really isn’t a great argument.

As for this weekend I would nearly put my money on Dani, won last year, is improving in the wet which it may be, he set a multitude of fast laps in FP3 and qualifying and seems to have recovered his confidence quicker than Casey after his off.

I honestly don’t think Valentino will be able to cut his way to better than third in thus one, however he is Valentino and he may surprise us all.

I think this year is a telling year for Valentino – the Yamaha is fantastic, everybody is getting good results, he has Casey’s tyres (we spell that different) and ECU and the straight line speed doesn’t matter that much anymore – Donington is a 5th gear track and this is pretty close to that as well, Casey is going well as is Dani. I think the pack is catching Vale, starting with Nicki, then Casey and who will be next.
 
QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 12 2008, 03:24 PM)
A cartoon is your reply? You got nothing

Hahahaha. I think Sackywack was agreeing with you genius. Hence the "good post man." The cartoon was probably for your target audience. Hahaha. I suppose you're gonna flame me too for saying, I agree with everything you've said. Oh, and you might want to reread Pete's post again friend, he was mostly agreeing with you too, just not sucking on Stoner's balls like our resident troll pinky likes to do. But by all means, argue, I love it. Anyway, welcome to the forum.



My most humble and sincere apologies
 

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