Round 5: 2024 Michelin Grand Prix de France - Le Mans Bugatti Circuit

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I completely agree. I cannot find it now, but I remember distinctly seeing at the time during the immediate aftermath of the Sepang 2015 collision that the reason by race direction for allocating a penalty AFTER the race, rather than during was "We have to consider the position in the championship of the rider involved" or words to that effect.

Nowhere, in any sporting regulations, have I ever read that penalties are awarded on a sliding scale based on the competitiveness of the person involved. It was simply commercial, in that they wanted to championship to go to the wire.

As for Marc, I think he certainly got more leniency in his early days as he was being groomed as the next superstar, though I think he's been handed his fair share of punishments in latter years.
I am an unabashed fan these days, and he is the major reason I watch.

I can really only think of the Jerez 2013 pass, where Dorna were perhaps bound by their own precedent, which was germane to a title win, but they still black flagged him for something that was a result of their own ridiculous SNAFU at PI 2013 which had the advantage of keeping the title race open for the last round.

Iirc he took Pedrosa out in a race riding too closely behind him when he cut a wire or something, but not deliberately for advantage, and he did take Rossi out once when he had caught up 4 seconds on him and was careless, for which he apologised.

I can’t really defend some of his first lap incidents in the dog years at Honda though, sure he wasn’t being malevolent and it was the only way he could be vaguely competitive, but still tough on some other riders, and the ultimate racer defence was commonly the one used by Rossi partisans for LS 08 etc.

Whatever MM is I don’t think he is petty though, which Valentino seems intent on continuing to prove he is.
 
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All right now, back to the present! Pecco saying it’s ........ he doesn’t want MM as a team mate and that he doesn’t care who that will be. Martin fast out of the gate with Acosta right behind. We’ll see how it shakes out later today but I for one am definitely enjoying seeing new blood at the top of the timesheets. At least for now.
 
Fabio does the unthinkable and makes Q2!

Marc never looked comfortable and misses it just like Bestia and Brad.
Brad crashed three times in this session, he is letting Pedro get into his head.
 
Marc wasn't himself after the crash. Still tip him to top Q1 along with Enea. Martín has been extremely fast today, riding like he has something to prove (to Ducati's management?)
 
A string of unfortunate events continues for my hero! Fk, I need to let go of the dream, that is him winning it again..
 
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Soft rear tire is chosen for the afternoon.
Ducati chooses Hard front, KTM Soft , Aprilia Hard,

Brief
Team
PR
POS
Front
Rear
FP1
FP1 POS
Front
Rear
J MAR​
Pramac
1.30.388​
1​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.421​
1​
Medium​
Soft​
F BAG​
Ducati
1.30.533​
2​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.852​
5​
Soft​
Medium​
P ACO​
Tech3
1.30.575​
3​
Soft​
Soft​
1.31.658​
2​
Medium​
Medium​
M VIN​
Aprilia
1.30.657​
4​
Soft​
Soft​
1.31.678​
3​
Soft​
Medium​
F DIG​
VR46
1.30.683​
5​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.546​
18​
Soft​
Medium​
J MIL​
KTM
1.30.699​
6​
Soft​
Soft​
1.32.035​
11​
Medium​
Medium​
A ESP​
Aprilia
1.30.714​
7​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.911​
7​
Medium​
Medium​
F MOR​
Pramac
1.30.763​
8​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.070​
12​
Soft​
Medium​
M BEZ​
VR46
1.30.785​
9​
Medium​
Soft​
1.31.980​
10​
Soft​
Medium​
F QUA​
Yamaha
1.30.788​
10​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.698​
20​
Soft​
Medium​
E BAS​
Ducati
1.30.798​
11​
Soft​
Soft​
1.31.837​
4​
Soft​
Medium​
R FER​
Trackhouse
1.30.839​
12​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.221​
14​
Soft​
Medium​
M MAR​
Gresini
1.31.067​
13​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.971​
9​
Soft​
Medium​
A RIN​
Yamaha
1.31.206​
14​
Medium​
Soft​
1.32.112​
13​
Soft​
Soft​
M OLI​
Trackhouse
1.31.219​
15​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.286​
15​
Soft​
Medium​
A FER​
Tech3
1.31.243​
16​
Soft​
Soft​
1.32.433​
17​
Soft​
Medium​
B BIN​
KTM
1.31.364​
17​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.942​
8​
Medium​
Medium​
J MIR​
Honda
1.31.687​
18​
Hard​
Soft​
1.33.008​
21​
Soft​
Medium​
A MAR​
Gresini
1.31.530​
19​
Hard​
Soft​
1.31.896​
6​
Soft​
Soft​
Z ZAR​
LCR
1.31.574​
20​
Hard​
Soft​
1.32.403​
16​
Medium​
Medium​
L MAR​
Honda
1.31.860​
21​
Soft​
Soft​
1.33.350​
22​
Soft​
Medium​
T NAK​
LCR
1.32.131​
22​
Medium​
Soft​
1.32.585​
19​
Soft​
Medium​
 
VR46 is making Gresini look bad, but Marc's crash could be contributing. Gresini do not have unlimited resources. Marc cannot crash 3 times in each session trying to find a tenth. Maybe Marc can push tomorrow in Q1. Bastianini crashed at the worst moment so he'll need to recover tomorrow before the sprint. Fabio riding out of his mind at home. Aprilia have recovered so far this weekend. HRC are dazed and confused. Acosta is saving KTM; Binder is shaken.

I want to believe in Yamaha, and the possibility that their bikes till handles well, but they were terrible at Jerez. I don't think they are making small steps. This is probably a one-off, or maybe their bike will like the summer heat.
 
Vinales looks fastest, followed by Martin, Acosta and Bastinanini, then Bag/Gianna.

Acosta may choose soft for sprint and medium front for race. Both very strong.
 
Binder is shaken.
And stirred.
Marc had a good 1st sector but Enea's crash scuttled that. Hopefully he finds something for tomorrow. Enea as well. Quatararo at P-10 is "head and shoulders" above the other riders of Japanese machinery. Wow. Never thought I'd ever hear that. Marc towed Jack to a good time. Miller set to qualify well and then be the rolling road block. Digi came on strong as well.
 
riding like he has something to prove (to Ducati's management?)
I think I have to rescind another post I made about Ducati not making their decision by Mugello. Listening to Practice, they seem as if they want this done and dusted.
 
If rain is still in the forecast for race day, I would bet that Marquez is planning his practice, qualifying and setup with that in mind.
 
Guess why?
Yes, MM fanboys, the only fanboys who have ever existed in GP bike racing or any other sport. Those who are MM fans on here mostly came to that position because he actually is fairly good, and in reaction to much more pervasive fanboyism, on sites based in English speaking countries at least, which was pretty much characterised by being highly malicious as well.

I myself have no problem with you having a different opinion and arguing that opinion, but I highly doubt that you are the singular unbiased poster on this forum, and bias oddly isn’t something which exists only in other people. The proposition than the GP 24 is not an upgrade on a GP 23 in start of the 2023 season specification is fairly ridiculous, and not really supported by Pirro whom you quoted in support of your thesis, who in the actual article you linked to said he would be disappointed by MM getting upgrades. Why was this pray tell ?, if said upgrades would not advantage MM ?.
 
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Jack is a shoe in on a wet tract, two firsts here, last in 2021 did two long lap penalties and still won. Bring on the rain.
No more unfortunately, Binder who is on the same bike as him is a rainmaster as well, and so is MM when not riding the dog of a Honda of recent years.
 
And stirred.
Marc had a good 1st sector but Enea's crash scuttled that. Hopefully he finds something for tomorrow. Enea as well. Quatararo at P-10 is "head and shoulders" above the other riders of Japanese machinery. Wow. Never thought I'd ever hear that. Marc towed Jack to a good time. Miller set to qualify well and then be the rolling road block. Digi came on strong as well.
He might have declined as well, but peak Jack while never even vaguely a contender was better than he has been in the last couple of years, I can only surmise he just can’t ride the current Michelins.
 

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