Round 13: 2016 San Marino Grand Prix - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

Iamapony · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I'm always amused how the saltiest people on this forum are the Rossi fans who can't deal with their idol being criticized.

How is it, with all of the pro-Rossi websites and forums across the internet, and slanted media coverage in favor of Rossi, a place like this turns people like Vudu and Talpa into frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics?

Vudu, I really believe the reason you come here is because deep down inside the void that you call your soul, you know we are right about Rossi and everything we say. You should just give in and accept that which you already know to be true.

ROFL
I just posted the slightest historical correction concerning VR somewhere else, and I swear before I hit "Submit", I was already slandered and put into my Yellow God Hating place. The Yellow Mist can get intense.

Dr No · Sep 12, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
steeeeeve said:

I remember the sport before Rossi and there was plenty to debate. Having said that, the internet was barely a twinkle in the eye of Tim Berners Lee during the golden age so you did all your talking over a beer and in person or at the racetrack.

I'm glad Rossi's still competitive and racing although I won't miss his largely mindless minions. However, the sport will certainly miss the revenue when they all desert and find another glory hunting bandwagon to contaminate.

Regarding WSB - start a thread, I'll see you there.

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Ahem
Point of order, Arrabb.
TBL did the www, not the internetz.

evo9 · Sep 12, 2016

moto vudu said:
If you want to troll a response from me, try harder! Be creative. You're a grown man living in a basement, come up with something that will make me want to engage in a conversation with you.

Dude you just did..............LOL!!! JP threw a stone in the pig pen & the one that got hit squealed.

#22 · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
How is it, with all of the pro-Rossi websites and forums across the internet, and slanted media coverage in favor of Rossi, a place like this turns people like Vudu and Talpa into frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics?

Because they can't comprehend that there are people who don't drink the Rossi koolaid.

steeeeeve said:
#22 said:

To name but two people, plus myself, who didn't have a fit at the pass.

Granted I don't have the time to read every single word on this forum. But most seem to be drudging up old reasons why they hate Rossi. Resurrected again by this one pass.

Just thank your lucky stars he's racing. Otherwise what would you talk about? I was looking at the Wsbk threads. The longest one (recently) is about 120 posts. Most well below that. There's some good racing in Wsbk yet all this forum gets is Rossi This Rossi that.

You guys wish he'd go away but if he did I imagine the threads on this forum would average about 20-30 posts per.

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As Arrab has said, start a WSBK thread. In fact, I may be wrong but I don't recall seeing you post in any of the WSBK threads I've started?

birdman · Sep 12, 2016

moto vudu said:
Was the response I was waiting for since there's no way in hell you could refute my previous post. You never need to breakdown the reasoning behind your BS posts, we have all been here long enough to know you're not giving criticism... you're just spewing your hate. It all sums down to "I hate Rossi", but instead of just posting that you try to disguise it like some sort of unbiased observation you made about something he said or did.

You're not fooling anyone! Just keep it real.

Did you just cry hater for the 10th time? Chant false false hater hater. And you think we don't get a certain 'vibe' from your posts on Lorenzo? Youre not fooling anyone!

If Rossi thought the move was good he would've called it 'Rossiesk',

Rossi = 'good'
Marquez = 'bad' or in your own words 'dirty'

JPSLotus · Sep 12, 2016

moto vudu said:
If you want to troll a response from me, try harder! Be creative. You're a grown man living in a basement, come up with something that will make me want to engage in a conversation with you.

Tells me to try harder and to be creative.

Regurgitates the same tired basement comment, and the same hater comments at large.

Vudu, I know you're not a particularly intelligent man by any measure, but it doesn't require that much effort to not to turn yourself into a hypocrite in the span of 2 sentences.

Hahaha, oh wait, I see what you did there. You are just emulating Valentino with that kind of in-your-face hypocrisy.

JPSLotus · Sep 12, 2016

Iamapony said:
ROFL
I just posted the slightest historical correction concerning VR somewhere else, and I swear before I hit "Submit", I was already slandered and put into my Yellow God Hating place. The Yellow Mist can get intense.

I was banned off of a well known racing forum when I stood as the lone sane voice in the wake of Sepang and then Valencia. Apparently calling out the moderators for letting the rampant pro-VR ........ go unchecked in public was too much for their fragile egos to handle.

That's why I've always said on some level, being a VR fan is usually indicative of some form of mental retardation. After all, look at some of the active VR fans posting here.

michaelm · Sep 12, 2016

moto vudu said:
If you want to troll a response from me, try harder! Be creative. You're a grown man living in a basement, come up with something that will make me want to engage in a conversation with you.

Again, the people who engage in character analysis, cod psychology and argumentum ad hominem are usually those of your ilk as well, actually a sure sign you are losing the argument.

Criticising Valentino Rossi, or what you claim about him, is not criticising you. It is very true that Jumkie is not Valentino Rossi and not in a position to put words in his mouth, but you are not Valentino Rossi either (presumably) so I am not sure why you are so prone to taking offence on his behalf.

I have no problem at all acknowledging Rossi's talent and achievements, which I agree with J4rn0 were with no more advantages than riders of his stature who preceded him such as Doohan have usually had and arguably earned. This however also means that he has always had the best equipment apart from his self-imposed hubris-inspired 2 years at Ducati, which is why claims of equipment advantages for Nicky Hayden when he won his championship or Casey Stoner when he won his Ducati championship are a tad annoying to fans of those riders.

My current dislike of Rossi is relatively recent, and not based on resentment of his success, since I didn't dislike him when he was having all that success, although elements among his fandom were a different matter.

It is his pettiness, petulance, general bitchiness and off track manipulations which I dislike, nakedly apparent since that Sepang press conference, in pursuit of a 10th title which he has never in any way needed to consolidate his stature in the sport.

I have been trying to think of any competitor of his stature in other sports who manipulates their fans to vilify competitors en masse as he does and have been unable to come up with anyone. Roger Federer, Jack Nicklaus, Joe Montana? I don't think so.

JPSLotus · Sep 12, 2016

Michael, the only competitor in any major sport who manipulated the fans into vilifying his competitors en masse was one Muhammad Ali. What he did to Joe Frazier was absolutely disgusting by any reasonable measure. But much like Rossi, Ali's fans were taken with the charisma, and everything that came out of his mouth. Such to the point he became a deity who could do no wrong in the media and to the fans at large. Ironically, much like today with Rossi, those who were not fans for legitimate reasons were in a distinct minority.

michaelm · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Michael, the only competitor in any major sport who manipulated the fans into vilifying his competitors en masse was one Muhammad Ali. What he did to Joe Frazier was absolutely disgusting by any reasonable measure. But much like Rossi, Ali's fans were taken with the charisma, and everything that came out of his mouth. Such to the point he became a deity who could do no wrong in the media and to the fans at large. Ironically, much like today with Rossi, those who were not fans for legitimate reasons were in a distinct minority.

True that, I hadn't thought of Ali and Frazier, i guess because even as something of an Ali fan I thought it was high farce and it didn't induce me to change my attitude to Frazier at all. It has subsequently come out that Frazier was deeply hurt by it all so I believe you are correct.

So that makes two sporting greats who have abused their pre-eminent stature in a sport to such ends, although I am not sure Ali did it quite so systematically.

Iamapony · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I was banned off of a well known racing forum when I stood as the lone sane voice in the wake of Sepang and then Valencia. Apparently calling out the moderators for letting the rampant pro-VR ........ go unchecked in public was too much for their fragile egos to handle. ....

This wasn't the (in)famous MM site was it? Because I had a not-so-flattering opinion of VRs action deleted from there. I then wrote him directly concerning the lack of free speech on his site. To which he responded with his "fund me" link. Needless to say, I did not send money. lol

JPSLotus · Sep 12, 2016

michaelm said:
True that, I hadn't thought of Ali and Frazier, i guess because even as something of an Ali fan I thought it was high farce and it didn't induce me to change my attitude to Frazier at all. It has subsequently come out that Frazier was deeply hurt by it all so I believe you are correct.

So that makes two sporting greats who have abused their pre-eminent stature in a sport to such ends, although I am not sure Ali did it quite so systematically.

Frazier went to his grave hating Ali because of what Ali did to him.

He took particular pride though in Ali's physical condition later in life and said it was because of what he did to Ali at Manila. Though I know there's a bit of thought that the beating Frazier gave Ali in Manila is what broke his body. Never disagreed with that assessment personally...even though Ali won that fight, the beating he took would have killed most men.

But in any event, Ali did engage in calculated character assassination, and used the media to further his goals.

JPSLotus · Sep 12, 2016

Iamapony said:
This wasn't the (in)famous MM site was it? Because I had a not-so-flattering opinion of VRs action deleted from there. I then wrote him directly concerning the lack of free speech on his site. To which he responded with his "fund me" link. Needless to say, I did not send money. lol

Ha, no definitely not. I only will converse with Kropo on even ground; this site.

Granted he hasn't posted here in awhile. But he doesn't like being called out on some of his more questionable assessments of GP happenings.

p4p1 · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Michael, the only competitor in any major sport who manipulated the fans into vilifying his competitors en masse was one Muhammad Ali. What he did to Joe Frazier was absolutely disgusting by any reasonable measure. But much like Rossi, Ali's fans were taken with the charisma, and everything that came out of his mouth. Such to the point he became a deity who could do no wrong in the media and to the fans at large. Ironically, much like today with Rossi, those who were not fans for legitimate reasons were in a distinct minority.

I thought of Ali but I couldn't put him in the same league as Rossi. Ali was never petulant or self centred in the same way nor did he expect preferential treatment. It's also a very different sport in boxing I believe mind games is part of the game in a big way, motorcycle racing not so much.

p4p1 · Sep 12, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Frazier went to his grave hating Ali because of what Ali did to him.

He took particular pride though in Ali's physical condition later in life and said it was because of what he did to Ali at Manila. Though I know there's a bit of thought that the beating Frazier gave Ali in Manila is what broke his body. Never disagreed with that assessment personally...even though Ali won that fight, the beating he took would have killed most men.

But in any event, Ali did engage in calculated character assassination, and used the media to further his goals.

No Frazier is wrong about it being that fight, it's the constant sparring that does the majority of damage to fighters rather than fighting every few months throw in the fact Ali was a notoriously bad gym fighter and it's easy to see where most of the damage likely came from. Ali certainly crossed the line however Frazier still had a sizeable amount of people on his side due to the hate Ali did have at the time and up until the day he died. Comparing Rossi and Ali isn't a good comparison though.

paparazzo · Sep 12, 2016

#22 said:
GTFO this forum you tosser

Oh yes, how original stealing my line, imitation is flattery, thanks for the compliment. Now GTFO of here.

Arrabbiata1 said:
C'mon Talps, that's a ridiculous post - particularly given the utter farce that was 2002. Saying that, there are no 'undeserving' champions (well, maybe with the exception of 2001, 2002 and 2009). A degree of providence, perhaps, and Luccchinelli for one wasn't christened 'lucky' for nothing. Hayden won that championship through consistency on the EVO RCV saddled throughout with testing internals destined for the Pedrocycle. Nonetheless, it was a great motorcycle - (we can debate the technical details if you wish) -although the plan, or should I say, expectation, was for Pedrosa to secure the championship in his maiden year and the skewed support at HRC was very reflective of that.

Vale arrived at Valencia leading Nicky by eight points, the championship was his to lose remember. To Nick, the chips were down and as his leathers read - 'all in'. Sure, Rossi's season had been dogged by ill fate and bad luck, including a wrong direction in chassis development by Yamaha and several tyre failures which raised wry smiles amongst the satellite riders who were often hampered by the lottery of different spec tyres over a weekend or a mismatch combination of different spec rubber. Interestingly, it is your mate Casey who suspects that Valentino may have been dealt a bad hand. His relationship with Michelin was ailing and Stoner claims that the moment the flag dropped you could see that Rossi was in the ..... Something similar happened after the Materazzi stunt remember? Anyhow, Rossi had taken pole and had been fastest in all sessions, where Nicky languished fifth on the grid. The odds were seemingly stacked against him. Stoner believes Rossi was given a dud tyre. As one of six riders to pass him on the first lap he believes the bike was badly out of balance. From a riders perspective it was clear that the rear and front were not working together and the Rossi inexplicably low sided behind Stoner. Stoner famously opined after watching it back 'welcome to our world'.

Speaking of watching it back Talpa, I urge you to find some of Nicky's rides that season and watch again, impartially and without prejudice because frankly your post is a tad rich given your sensitivities about Valentino and the amount of accusations you make about alleged 'haters' on here.

Why it is ridiculous, cause it doesn't fit your narrative? I respect all riders and I stand by what I say, he is underwhelm and undeserving. The guy has won 3 races, THREE races with years of factory bikes. And I will give you credit for your recap of 2006, it is on spot, Yes Rossi was screw on the tires as you say, but you convenient forget one rider played the biggest role. Nicky can thank Toni Elias for his undeserved championship, not only for winning in Estoril by 1/4 foot with Pedrobot tires but for torpedo Valentino @ Jerez taking him out of the points. And no, I do not wish to watch ANY Nicky rides, my post was response to the vile JPS and his constant speaking of this guy as if he's some premiere class great while at same time demonize VR and all his achievements.

I congratulate you on a great post.

#22 · Sep 12, 2016

paparazzo said:
Oh yes, how original stealing my line, imitation is flattery, thanks for the compliment. Now GTFO of here.

No it isn't, waxworks...keep trying.

michaelm · Sep 12, 2016

paparazzo said:
Oh yes, how original stealing my line, imitation is flattery, thanks for the compliment. Now GTFO of here.

Why it is ridiculous, cause it doesn't fit your narrative? I respect all riders and I stand by what I say, he is underwhelm and undeserving. The guy has won 3 races, THREE races with years of factory bikes. And I will give you credit for your recap of 2006, it is on spot, Yes Rossi was screw on the tires as you say, but you convenient forget one rider played the biggest role. Nicky can thank Toni Elias for his undeserved championship, not only for winning in Estoril by 1/4 foot with Pedrobot tires but for torpedo Valentino @ Jerez taking him out of the points. And no, I do not wish to watch ANY Nicky rides, my post was response to the vile JPS and his constant speaking of this guy as if he's some premiere class great while at same time demonize VR and all his achievements.

I congratulate you on a great post.

Emblematic of you guys and why the people you call "haters"'became so.

Nicky Hayden didn't "deserve" 7 championships by any stretch of the imagination. He deserved the one he did win though, and any problems VR had that year were his own. By your argument Rossi wouldn't have "deserved" last year's title if he had won it, since JL and MM were generally faster and won more races.

paparazzo · Sep 12, 2016

michaelm said:
Emblematic of you guys and why the people you call "haters"'became so.

Nicky Hayden didn't "deserve" 7 championships by any stretch of the imagination. He deserved the one he did win though, and any problems VR had that year were his own. By your argument Rossi wouldn't have "deserved" last year's title if he had won it, since JL and MM were generally fast we and won more races.

Stop trying to spin my words, you like to do that with everyone post. Maybe it is the fact you portray yourself as Rhode Scholar is why you do this. Never did I implied that VR or anyone else should have been champion in 2006, just saying that Hayden won through a continuous series of bad luck from all rivals rather than some supreme riding ability. Based on the factory equipment he rode his whole career he is a massive underachiever, I stand by that. Put your mask back on and stop spinning everyone posts to suit your narrative in order for you to respond with your anti-Rossi gibberish.

p4p1 · Sep 12, 2016

Mentions Elias taking out Rossi but forgets about Pedro taking out Hayden. Dude deserved his championship was the most consistent rider of the year and was in front of everyone after 8 rounds.

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