Rossi's crashes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 30 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>numnuts do a search there is "stoner" mentioned 10 times in this thread before i chimed in


Wow what a ....... Those drugs must be real good down in Ozland.

Like a child it has to be pointed out to you. Stoner was first mentioned in this thread on post 22(and that was in praise), then again on 26 (thats when I said the thread was going to become what it has) and you came in on 28!!! now as I said STFU style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jun 30 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you got it wrong dude.

He was 30 sec after first lap but when he started to lap on a similar pace (i.e. after adjusting his riding style to damaged bike, he was 40 odd sec behind stoner). And then at the end of the race he was 46 secs behind stoner. So in anycase he wud have had a comfortable 2nd.

It means he still is the fastest apart from Stoner (who did an amazing race). Well we can say what if he is not broken the bike and went on, but i am not speculating that.

The 59 secs belonged to MM. I hope he goes back to Honda again.



where do you guys dream these figures up from? Rossi was running much slower lap times post his crash, due to damages gearlever etc. ...... in the vicinity of 1 sec per lap slower than the lead guys...... thats not Rossi at his best!.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 30 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where do you guys dream these figures up from? Rossi was running much slower lap times post his crash, due to damages gearlever etc. ...... in the vicinity of 1 sec per lap slower than the lead guys...... thats not Rossi at his best!.
He got quite a lot faster at the end, as did lorenzo which may have implications for the races ahead. He was the third fastest rider going by his fastest lap (obviously very laudable on a damaged bike) rather than having the third-fastest lap overall though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 30 2008, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He got quite a lot faster at the end, as did lorenzo which may have implications for the races ahead. He was the third fastest rider going by his fastest lap (obviously very laudable on a damaged bike) rather than having the third-fastest lap overall though.

This was confirmed by Burgess and Brivio post race.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 30 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where do you guys dream these figures up from? Rossi was running much slower lap times post his crash, due to damages gearlever etc. ...... in the vicinity of 1 sec per lap slower than the lead guys...... thats not Rossi at his best!.
I agree that Rossi's bike was damaged and that his lap times were compromised, but look at the fastest laps.
CS 01:36.738 lap 5
CE 01:37.034 lap 18
DP 01:37.208 lap 8
VR 01:37.297 lap 20


also look at the comparative laptimes, Rossi vs Stoner. Notice how Rossi gets it a bit more sorted after lap 12.

.....Rossi ......... Stoner........ difference
1 02:12.638 01:42.814 +00:29.824
2 01:39.315 01:36.862 +00:02.453
3 01:38.201 01:37.067 +00:01.134
4 01:38.354 01:36.768 +00:01.586
5 01:38.477 01:36.738 +00:01.739 CS fastest lap
6 01:38.137 01:37.057 +00:01.080
7 01:37.860 01:37.291 +00:00.569
8 01:38.068 01:36.922 +00:01.146
9 01:37.860 01:37.240 +00:00.620
10 01:37.919 01:37.074 +00:00.845
11 01:37.610 01:36.933 +00:00.677
12 01:37.357 01:36.926 +00:00.431
13 01:37.407 01:37.069 +00:00.338
14 01:37.393 01:37.566 -00:00.173
15 01:37.552 01:37.379 +00:00.173
16 01:37.518 01:37.076 +00:00.442
17 01:37.882 01:36.930 +00:00.952
18 01:37.290 01:36.824 +00:00.466
19 01:38.510 01:37.256 +00:01.254 VR overtook MM
20 01:37.173 01:37.297 -00:00.124 VR fastest lap
21 01:37.336 01:37.517 -00:00.181
22 01:37.386 01:37.403 -00:00.017
23 01:38.127 01:37.311 +00:00.816 VR overtook TE
24 01:37.530 01:37.348 +00:00.182
25 01:37.433 01:37.289 +00:00.144
26 01:37.984 01:38.380 -00:00.396


29.824 behind at lap 1
46.277 behind at lap 26

implies 14.64 seconds lost to Stoner after Rossi remounted. If you look, best part of 12 of those extra seconds were lost between laps 2 and 12

Rossi definitely worked out how to ride around the bikes issues. Given his times and bearing in mind the damage to the bike, I'd guess he'd have at least been closer to Stoner than Pedrobot's eventual 11.6 second deficit if he hadn't binned it. However, ifs don't count.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jun 30 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree that Rossi's bike was damaged and that his lap times were compromised, but look at the fastest laps.
CS 01:36.738 lap 5
CE 01:37.034 lap 18
DP 01:37.208 lap 8
VR 01:37.297 lap 20


also look at the comparative laptimes, Rossi vs Stoner. Notice how Rossi gets it a bit more sorted after lap 12.

.....Rossi ......... Stoner........ difference
1 02:12.638 01:42.814 +00:29.824
2 01:39.315 01:36.862 +00:02.453
3 01:38.201 01:37.067 +00:01.134
4 01:38.354 01:36.768 +00:01.586
5 01:38.477 01:36.738 +00:01.739 CS fastest lap
6 01:38.137 01:37.057 +00:01.080
7 01:37.860 01:37.291 +00:00.569
8 01:38.068 01:36.922 +00:01.146
9 01:37.860 01:37.240 +00:00.620
10 01:37.919 01:37.074 +00:00.845
11 01:37.610 01:36.933 +00:00.677
12 01:37.357 01:36.926 +00:00.431
13 01:37.407 01:37.069 +00:00.338
14 01:37.393 01:37.566 -00:00.173
15 01:37.552 01:37.379 +00:00.173
16 01:37.518 01:37.076 +00:00.442
17 01:37.882 01:36.930 +00:00.952
18 01:37.290 01:36.824 +00:00.466
19 01:38.510 01:37.256 +00:01.254 VR overtook MM
20 01:37.173 01:37.297 -00:00.124 VR fastest lap
21 01:37.336 01:37.517 -00:00.181
22 01:37.386 01:37.403 -00:00.017
23 01:38.127 01:37.311 +00:00.816 VR overtook TE
24 01:37.530 01:37.348 +00:00.182
25 01:37.433 01:37.289 +00:00.144
26 01:37.984 01:38.380 -00:00.396


29.824 behind at lap 1
46.277 behind at lap 26

implies 14.64 seconds lost to Stoner after Rossi remounted. If you look, best part of 12 of those extra seconds were lost between laps 2 and 12

Rossi definitely worked out how to ride around the bikes issues. Given his times and bearing in mind the damage to the bike, I'd guess he'd have at least been closer to Stoner than Pedrobot's eventual 11.6 second deficit if he hadn't binned it. However, ifs don't count.
top notch post yam, what the .... you gota say now barry ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 30 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, I'm a huge Who fan myself.
me three...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jun 30 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you got it wrong dude.

He was 30 sec after first lap but when he started to lap on a similar pace (i.e. after adjusting his riding style to damaged bike, he was 40 odd sec behind stoner). And then at the end of the race he was 46 secs behind stoner. So in anycase he wud have had a comfortable 2nd.

It means he still is the fastest apart from Stoner (who did an amazing race). Well we can say what if he is not broken the bike and went on, but i am not speculating that.

The 59 secs belonged to MM. I hope he goes back to Honda again.

Just to acknowledge my mistake there. Indeed Rossi was 46.025 sec behind Stoner at the end. (46.277 on lap 24)
Good effort to get some points at least.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 1 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree that Rossi's bike was damaged and that his lap times were compromised, but look at the fastest laps.
CS 01:36.738 lap 5
CE 01:37.034 lap 18
DP 01:37.208 lap 8
VR 01:37.297 lap 20


also look at the comparative laptimes, Rossi vs Stoner. Notice how Rossi gets it a bit more sorted after lap 12.

.....Rossi ......... Stoner........ difference
1 02:12.638 01:42.814 +00:29.824
2 01:39.315 01:36.862 +00:02.453
3 01:38.201 01:37.067 +00:01.134
4 01:38.354 01:36.768 +00:01.586
5 01:38.477 01:36.738 +00:01.739 CS fastest lap
6 01:38.137 01:37.057 +00:01.080
7 01:37.860 01:37.291 +00:00.569
8 01:38.068 01:36.922 +00:01.146
9 01:37.860 01:37.240 +00:00.620
10 01:37.919 01:37.074 +00:00.845
11 01:37.610 01:36.933 +00:00.677
12 01:37.357 01:36.926 +00:00.431
13 01:37.407 01:37.069 +00:00.338
14 01:37.393 01:37.566 -00:00.173
15 01:37.552 01:37.379 +00:00.173
16 01:37.518 01:37.076 +00:00.442
17 01:37.882 01:36.930 +00:00.952
18 01:37.290 01:36.824 +00:00.466
19 01:38.510 01:37.256 +00:01.254 VR overtook MM
20 01:37.173 01:37.297 -00:00.124 VR fastest lap
21 01:37.336 01:37.517 -00:00.181
22 01:37.386 01:37.403 -00:00.017
23 01:38.127 01:37.311 +00:00.816 VR overtook TE
24 01:37.530 01:37.348 +00:00.182
25 01:37.433 01:37.289 +00:00.144
26 01:37.984 01:38.380 -00:00.396


29.824 behind at lap 1
46.277 behind at lap 26

implies 14.64 seconds lost to Stoner after Rossi remounted. If you look, best part of 12 of those extra seconds were lost between laps 2 and 12

Rossi definitely worked out how to ride around the bikes issues. Given his times and bearing in mind the damage to the bike, I'd guess he'd have at least been closer to Stoner than Pedrobot's eventual 11.6 second deficit if he hadn't binned it. However, ifs don't count.


Good factual post ......

I tend to agree...... had he stayed on he may have got second.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jun 30 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree that Rossi's bike was damaged and that his lap times were compromised, but look at the fastest laps.
CS 01:36.738 lap 5
CE 01:37.034 lap 18
DP 01:37.208 lap 8
VR 01:37.297 lap 20

also look at the comparative laptimes, Rossi vs Stoner. Notice how Rossi gets it a bit more sorted after lap 12.

.....Rossi ......... Stoner........ difference

20 01:37.173 01:37.297 -00:00.124 VR fastest lap

Rossi definitely worked out how to ride around the bikes issues. Given his times and bearing in mind the damage to the bike, I'd guess he'd have at least been closer to Stoner than Pedrobot's eventual 11.6 second deficit if he hadn't binned it. However, ifs don't count.

Rossi's fastest lap was actually faster than pedrosa's fastest lap.

I think as well as rossi working out how to ride his damaged bike, the yamaha gets faster towards the end of the race. Being faster at the end of the race has always been one of rossi's trademarks, but I think the way the bike is set up may contribute also, as the pattern was similar for lorenzo.

I think this will give rossi and lorenzo an advantage if there is ever a close race (I do say if). The hrc bikes definitely seem to get slower, possibly due to fuel problems as others have said. Stoner claimed post-race that he was in shape to break the lap record on the last lap had he been inclined to do so, but saying this or even believing it are different than actually doing it.

for those who would like to see the broken gear lever of Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blue Cielo @ Jun 30 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>for those who would like to see the broken gear lever of Rossi


nice stills! and to think even with this he had the speed to give Stoner a run for his money.....curse cold tires.....haha

if if if

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jun 30 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if if if

......indeed

The comparisons make interesting reading but only show that VR was capable of cutting competitive laptimes under teh circumstances.

They do not show that he was as quick as CS nor capable of running with or beating DP on the day. In the case of these two, it is highly possible that having established a gap they both then went into 'conserve and maintain' mode as they simply maintained their advantage over the chasers.

Thus, their lap-times likely do not reflect their real capability in the mid to late stages of the race as they likely had some extra capability up their sleeve.

Whereas, VR by comparison was playing a chasing game, and therefore needed to 'push' and run at or very near to the maximum capable.

This does not diminish anything achieved by VR during the race in terms of laptimes as they were damn quick.





Garry

DeAngelis finished 2nd at Donnington after a fall last year, and Fonsi Nieto won the 02 Portuguese GP after crashing. They are impressive comebacks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 30 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where do you guys dream these figures up from? Rossi was running much slower lap times post his crash, due to damages gearlever etc. ...... in the vicinity of 1 sec per lap slower than the lead guys...... thats not Rossi at his best!.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 1 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nice stills! and to think even with this he had the speed to give Stoner a run for his money.....curse cold tires.....haha

oh now he was as fast as Stoner with a broken gearlever!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 1 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DeAngelis finished 2nd at Donnington after a fall last year, and Fonsi Nieto won the 02 Portuguese GP after crashing. They are impressive comebacks.

DeAngelis had a substantial lead during that wet race. Pls do not compare for teh sake of argument