Rd #7 WSBK Miller Motorsports- Spoilers

Jumkie said:

Well. I'm a bit bias since I'm not a Checa fan. But I love it when the satellite Ducs beat the factory. It shows that the bike is a great platform, and it makes the factory team squirm knowing they should be winning. The factory has fallen from grace in wsbk, and they need all the waking up they can get. Its not like the governing body isn't doing their part by spotting them a weight advantage, eh.

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Jumkie said:

Then I guess you've missed the last two MotoGP races.

No not last lap, but certainly the last few laps a lead can be erased in a hurry. It also happened at Laguna last year, Pedro loosened up and almost lost the lead, and that was in fact in the final lap.



But its not what you describe above, not even close. You say 4 second lead? Are you sure you're talking about this year's race? Checa had a little over a second in race one (1.6sec) and two second lead (2 sec) in race two. His bike took a dump after 17 laps in the first race, not the last lap, and 8th lap in the second race, not exactly near the end of the race, much less the "last lap 4 sec" scenario you paint above buddy.LINK (I think your might have bumped you head, hahaha)



We can't infer gifts with any degree of certainty. How many times did the leader of a race bin it last year in GP? Let me give you a list, they call them "aliens" to be cute, and each of them did it.



No, there was no gift. (maybe if we were talking last lap, last few turns, then maybe you have a point...maybe).

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povol said:

Why do you make me do this to you, Checa's bike broke on lap 19. At the end of the 18th lap, Checa had a 3.232 second lead and was beating Biaggi by 4-6 10ths a lap from lap 15 thru 18. . Biaggi was beat, pure and simple and he knew it, played it smart and backed it down. Race 1 was a gift from god.. Look it up, the chronological

analysis doesnt lie. You read an article with non factual data, im guessing from Worldsbk.com

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FACTORY said:

Yes Biaggi started backing of....but if Checa started turning slower laps (from tires going of, not hitting his marks, making mistakes in corners) and Biaggi's pit board showed he was gaining time eventhough he had backed of to bring home the points....he still would have had time/laps to put himself in a position to make a run for the front. 3 seconds can be made up in 5 laps...especially if Biaggi still had his tires working well.



Didn't Lascorz make up 2 seconds in the last 1.5 laps at Monza...but screwed up one of the last corners loosing the chance to battle to the line.



Gift to me sounds like Biaggi (or whomever) did not work hard and was/would not have been in a postion to get the the win....and IMO BIaggi still had the opportunity to win if Checa did not pull out of the race.



If Checa's tires got cooked and he started lapping a second slower each lap....would you say that was a gift since he had it "in the bag" until the tires slowed him down to loose the race?? Or does a gift have to be a big problem taking you out of the race immediately??

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FACTORY said:

Yes Biaggi started backing of....but if Checa started turning slower laps (from tires going of, not hitting his marks, making mistakes in corners) and Biaggi's pit board showed he was gaining time eventhough he had backed of to bring home the points....he still would have had time/laps to put himself in a position to make a run for the front. 3 seconds can be made up in 5 laps...especially if Biaggi still had his tires working well.



Didn't Lascorz make up 2 seconds in the last 1.5 laps at Monza...but screwed up one of the last corners loosing the chance to battle to the line.



Gift to me sounds like Biaggi (or whomever) did not work hard and was/would not have been in a postion to get the the win....and IMO BIaggi still had the opportunity to win if Checa did not pull out of the race.



If Checa's tires got cooked and he started lapping a second slower each lap....would you say that was a gift since he had it "in the bag" until the tires slowed him down to loose the race?? Or does a gift have to be a big problem taking you out of the race immediately??

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povol said:

There were 2 1/2 laps left when Checa's bike broke, not 5



No i wouldnt say that, the rider has some control over cooked tires but that is not what happened here. He dominated and his bike quit on him, that is totally out of his control. Like i said, he was putting 4-6 10ths on Biaggi on laps 15-16-17-18.. Biaggi did put himself in position to win, but if you look at the lap analysis, he had conceded the race, or HIS tires were cooked. Race 1 was a gift from the racing gods.

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Jumkie said:

Pov & Sac, u guys act like uv never seen racing. "Likely"; perhaps, about as likely as a pole setter winning. "Gift" no ....... way! Unless its like the last lap last turn. Anything can happen and time & time again racing has proven the nature of the sport. We dont even hav to search so far, Checa has jad a brain freeze on the last lap & last turn of a race. This is why they hav a checkered flag, to signal the finish. 2-3 laps, much less 13 laps is way too much in this sport to forego a win. Perhas u forgot when Bayliss, with just a couple corners to go, with the title to secure, threw it away. Nothing is certain ladies, until they cross the finish. "Gift" my ....

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