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JPSLotus said:
According to the video, they list him as indeed riding the Cagiva C594 and not say the 592 that Chili rode at Mugello.

This is actually pretty fascinating that the 594 got one final race in October 1995. That was a hell of a trivia question from Dr. No. Without search engines I never would have known that at all. Too bad they didn't get Kocinski over there to ride the Cagiva as that would have made for a more interesting race for Doohan.

I can't help but keep wondering what might have unfolded had Cagiva not run out of money.

Maybe a bunch of us could band together and go setup a protest/begging event outside MV Agusta's HQ asking them to bring back Cagiva to MotoGP. Hell, we can even tell them that we will run the team...the MotoGPForum-Cagiva C519 could debut for the 2019 season. MV Agusta just needs to build a V4, and I figure by that point, Lorenzo's stock will be so low we can sign him as the number 1 rider. Just need to find a title sponsor...Eni Chemical? This would go down as the MotoGP version of Hesketh Racing....just a party every race weekend. I'm sure we could dig up some nice #2 rider from WSBK or BSB.
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JPSLotus said:
The Big Special Search Engine finds all. :D

I'd love to know what the circumstances were that got Doohan to show up for this race. I can't imagine he had to have been terribly enthused by the prospect of racing against 8 other riders. But there were some good Japanese riders in that race.
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I can only surmise that it would have been an HRC contract deal. Turn up. Win Race. Drink Sake with Honda bigwigs. Pocket $$.

Baffling also is Nobu on a Cagiva. In 95 he was a big time Honda guy.
 
Dr No said:
I can only surmise that it would have been an HRC contract deal. Turn up. Win Race. Drink Sake with Honda bigwigs. Pocket $$.

Baffling also is Nobu on a Cagiva. In 95 he was a big time Honda guy.
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I wish we had a way to contact Nobu and find out why HRC was okay with him riding the Cagiva even as a one-off.
 
paparazzo said:
You and the other 4-5 posters who are responsible for 95% of the posts on this joke of a forum are pathetic. No wonder this place is almost total dead.
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Why in God’s name would you waste your time coming here then? I take it this will be your ‘vale’dictory post then?...although haven’t we been here once before prior to your change in identity? At least in your previous incarnation you were capable of mustering 1 post in every 100 about something other than Valentino Rossi – even if it was a vitriolic railing against Casey Stoner.

Personally, as a race fan as opposed to a fanboy, I find this forum very stimulating because there are members that have a genuine passion and love for motorcycle racing, true two – wheel scholars that I can learn from. I concede, for my part I may also have mentioned the GOAT too regularly, but as inimitable as Hailwood was – (we will never see his like again) - no individual is greater or bigger than this wonderful sport which has been my Sunday worship since I was a kid.

Given your jaundiced view - if this ‘joke of a forum’ is so ‘pathetic’ then there are plenty of other one dimensional discussions to join across the internet to sate your yellow fever…but don’t expect to learn from those places the last time a two – stroke Cagiva was raced competitively.

Not that I suspect you’d be particularly interested.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
I would be killed riding that thing.
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LOL.
Great subject, Dr. No.. Nice work, JPSLotus. Thanks for the fun history, all.

I didn't think the Cagiva was really that competitive. I always thought that Doug and John would have done better elsewhere. Other opinions?
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Why in God’s name would you waste your time coming here then? I take it this will be your ‘vale’dictory post then?...although haven’t we been here once before prior to your change in identity? At least in your previous incarnation you were capable of mustering 1 post in every 100 about something other than Valentino Rossi – even if it was a vitriolic railing against Casey Stoner.

Personally, as a race fan as opposed to a fanboy, I find this forum very stimulating because there are members that have a genuine passion and love for motorcycle racing, true two – wheel scholars that I can learn from. I concede, for my part I may also have mentioned the GOAT too regularly, but as inimitable as Hailwood was – (we will never see his like again) - no individual is greater or bigger than this wonderful sport which has been my Sunday worship since I was a kid.

Given your jaundiced view - if this ‘joke of a forum’ is so ‘pathetic’ then there are plenty of other one dimensional discussions to join across the internet to sate your yellow fever…but don’t expect to learn from those places the last time a two – stroke Cagiva was raced competitively.

Not that I suspect you’d be particularly interested.
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Amazing to think how many go out of their way to come to this forum and spend months here telling us how much it sucks.
 
Jumkie said:
Congrats to Dovi! Seeing him cry on the podium was refreshing. Genuine emotion.

There were some great tributes to Nicky this weekend.
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It may sound corny, but i would like to thank the rest of the world for their tributes to our national hero. Im still not believing how much his death has affected me and obviously he was very well respected around the world. I know he was very well liked, but the outpouring of respect has far exceeded what i thought it would.
 
Dr No said:
Gee, thanks for that. I really thought no one would know that in this world of google-fu.

That wasn't the question.
Last race, not last GP appearance.
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That takes us straight to no-man's land. The meaning of "race" is too vague -- some non-event in some no-where? Let's stick to what matters... :happy:
 
povol said:
The commentary on those vids is hilarious .
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Doesn't sound like two guys excited about a thrilling race.
More like a couple of reporters from Women's Wear Daily
on the runway at Fall Fashion Week commenting on this years new rayon kimonos.
 
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Arrabbiata1 said:
Why in God’s name would you waste your time coming here then? I take it this will be your ‘vale’dictory post then?...although haven’t we been here once before prior to your change in identity? At least in your previous incarnation you were capable of mustering 1 post in every 100 about something other than Valentino Rossi – even if it was a vitriolic railing against Casey Stoner.

Personally, as a race fan as opposed to a fanboy, I find this forum very stimulating because there are members that have a genuine passion and love for motorcycle racing, true two – wheel scholars that I can learn from. I concede, for my part I may also have mentioned the GOAT too regularly, but as inimitable as Hailwood was – (we will never see his like again) - no individual is greater or bigger than this wonderful sport which has been my Sunday worship since I was a kid.

Given your jaundiced view - if this ‘joke of a forum’ is so ‘pathetic’ then there are plenty of other one dimensional discussions to join across the internet to sate your yellow fever…but don’t expect to learn from those places the last time a two – stroke Cagiva was raced competitively.

Not that I suspect you’d be particularly interested.
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To be fair I gave Paps considerable provocation. To me he embodies the cult of Rossi and hence most of what I consider wrong with the modern day sport.

Whatever anyone thinks of Jumkie, and my point of view is biased because as with you participating in the forum he is a major reason I have been here for over a decade, he was a genuine passionate fan of Nicky's and Nicky's death very obviously hit him particularly hard. If he is not entitled to a view on a Rossi "tribute" to Nicky I am not sure who is, particularly since Nicky's crowning achievement as a racer was so widely derided by Rossi fans of Pap's ilk with Rossi's not very tacit collusion. Jumkie even said at the get go he was quite possibly being over emotional.

Meanwhile Pap's idea of a tragedy would seem to be Rossi not getting the 8th/10th handed to him as I said. I personally don't deny the others were all earned/richly deserved btw as you know.
 
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michaelm said:
Whatever anyone thinks of Jumkie, and my point of view is biased because as with you participating in the forum he is a major reason I have been here for over a decade, he was a genuine passionate fan of Nicky's and Nicky's death very obviously hit him particularly hard. If he is not entitled to a view on a Rossi "tribute" to Nicky I am not sure who is, particularly since Nicky's crowning achievement as a racer was so widely derided by Rossi fans of Pap's ilk with Rossi's not very tacit collusion. Jumkie even said at the get go he was quite possibly being over emotional.
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Mike, you're much too kind. I do NOT consider my fan's experience of mixed and fluctuating emotions over Nicky's passing unique though. We have ALL felt a loss. We've all felt sorrow, anger, and the rest of it. There have been some moving reactions I have seen and read, some of the messages I've got from people privately have been humbling, showing just how much so many were affected. some of our reflections have moved me to tears as I'm sure most of us reading this have had their moment. I'll share this one with you, knowing him I don't think he will mind anyway, I got a text from a friend that said, "Nicky and his dad inspired me to believe during my darkest moments there was light at the end of the tunnel." I was privy to his ordeal, it put my own emotions in perspective. I think we all in particular grieve for Nicky's family and fiancé. I'll admit I've lost my composure, I have experienced various emotions just like anybody else here too, but I am cognizant of the fact I was just a fan. Many tributes confirmed that many people felt the same gratefulness and privilege.

As I said, being able to access the forum at the touch of a handheld device is often a curse. A flaw that I had managed to mitigate in the last year-ish, as I had purposely posted less and used my time more productively; old habits die hard. I post here for many reasons, not the least being to vent, moan, and whine; but also to express my takes on the sport as I see it, right or wrong. In my defense, most of you I consider close friends, some of which I know intimately, people of like mind, even those I may disagree with regarding the sport; so staying away from PS knowing I can interact with y'all at a click is like crack to an addict. And I'll add, I feel Nicky got cheated in many ways, was taken for granted, and under-appreciated (yes, ok, I hear those telling me to buck up a sense of perspective). To those who disagree with my opinions, the good thing is so far the chickenshit invisible hand of forum censorship has only reared its ugly head on a few cowardly occasions. I don't mind my opinions being challenged, I suspect often people just roll their eyes at my posts and move along anyway, its not a bad strategy.
 
Jumkie said:
Mike, you're much too kind. I do NOT consider my fan's experience of mixed and fluctuating emotions over Nicky's passing unique though. We have ALL felt a loss. We've all felt sorrow, anger, and the rest of it. There have been some moving reactions I have seen and read, some of the messages I've got from people privately have been humbling, showing just how much so many were affected. some of our reflections have moved me to tears as I'm sure most of us reading this have had their moment. I'll share this one with you, knowing him I don't think he will mind anyway, I got a text from a friend that said, "Nicky and his dad inspired me to believe during my darkest moments there was light at the end of the tunnel." I was privy to his ordeal, it put my own emotions in perspective. I think we all in particular grieve for Nicky's family and fiancé. I'll admit I've lost my composure, I have experienced various emotions just like anybody else here too, but I am cognizant of the fact I was just a fan. Many tributes confirmed that many people felt the same gratefulness and privilege.

As I said, being able to access the forum at the touch of a handheld device is often a curse. A flaw that I had managed to mitigate in the last year-ish, as I had purposely posted less and used my time more productively; old habits die hard. I post here for many reasons, not the least being to vent, moan, and whine; but also to express my takes on the sport as I see it, right or wrong. In my defense, most of you I consider close friends, some of which I know intimately, people of like mind, even those I may disagree with regarding the sport; so staying away from PS knowing I can interact with y'all at a click is like crack to an addict. And I'll add, I feel Nicky got cheated in many ways, was taken for granted, and under-appreciated (yes, ok, I hear those telling me to buck up a sense of perspective). To those who disagree with my opinions, the good thing is so far the chickenshit invisible hand of forum censorship has only reared its ugly head on a few cowardly occasions. I don't mind my opinions being challenged, I suspect often people just roll their eyes at my posts and move along anyway, its not a bad strategy.
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Keep your chin up Jum, it's not worth upsetting yourself over people who have no consideration for the feelings of anyone but themselves.
The decent guys on here understand and feel your pain and loss.
Nicky wasn't just an American hero, he was a MotoGP worldwide hero who was respected by all. That's something the custard army will never be able to say about their idol.
As for Rossi and his helmet tribute, whatever his motives, I feel he should be made to hand over 100% profits of sales to Nicky's charities.
 
yamfan said:
Keep your chin up Jum, it's not worth upsetting yourself over people who have no consideration for the feelings of anyone but themselves.
The decent guys on here understand and feel your pain and loss.
Nicky wasn't just an American hero, he was a MotoGP worldwide hero who was respected by all. That's something the custard army will never be able to say about their idol.
As for Rossi and his helmet tribute, whatever his motives, I feel he should be made to hand over 100% profits of sales to Nicky's charities.
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Sales of what pray tell? Seen any indication this one-off design is for sale??? Anyone who's been around a while knows I'm not any giant fan of Rossi, but I find it trying the way some folks automatically use him like a whipping boy when they need a justification to vent. Reminds of me of country bumpkins in some third world country who curse The Great Satan America when the cow dies or the well runs dry. If Rossi were to die tomorrow, many of the same people would be saying how he wasn't really such a bad guy after all and would be crying in their beer. Much as I don't care for his public persona, I cannot in any way stretch reality enough believe that Rossi wasn't deeply affected by the death of any fellow racer from the paddock, never mind Nicky, who he'd known and raced against week after week for more than a decade.
 

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