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Phillip Island 2012: Farewell Casey; (predict, practice, qual)

Goat, where and who is projecting the admirable tone of which you speak?



IMO only here but Stoner is very self centred and I gain the impression very focused on basically giving a big FU to the aspects and people within the sport whom he feels have caused his problems and feelings. One of the best ways of giving that FU is to simply say 'take this job and shove it' (I mean, many people have wanted to do just that in their employment).



Whether that is the wrong or right attitude is very debatable (I personally favour wrong as he has made a commitment and should stick with it), but I for one woould not be surprised as Stoner is not one to care about convention.



On the flip side, who knows (as it is actually rarely discussed) just how strong his loyalty is to HRC and/or Puig so he may wish to return to help Pedrosa a little as well .



Either way, when or where he goes some will miss him, some will not miss him and others will not even know he existed.



Yeah, didn't he not attend prizegiving last year which really pissed Dorna off?



Stoner was asked that yesterday. He denied it outright. It has always been the plan to finish out the season at Valencia, and that is what he will do.



Yeah but he also said in Portugal "Don't read what you write about me retiring"...then retired a week later
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That was more than a moment for Pedrosa!! From the look of it something (maybe Cal) did something that threw up some dust which clearly put him off and perhaps caused that. He did well to keep on it I say.



Excellent pictures Frizzle, really clear nice ot see. You must be good at photography, if I tried that all I'd get is a blur I reckon.



Oh and on the Stoner thing, if his ankle is really giving him that much trouble now he might not be fit enough to race in Valencia, after all his safety and that of the the other riders has to be considered doesn't it? That's how I'd see it anyway, it might not be his choice as to whether he races again.
 
Desperation looks ugly on u Goaty.
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Twitter is a type of facebook, VR use to call press conferences to remind us about his shoulder for half a year. Then he figured a much better tactic to deflect attention. It came in the form of hiring his dad to pretend he was VR, then pretend he was a fake reporter, and proceed in asking fake questions, to which his dad (pretending to be VR) would answer them pretending to be asked pretend questions from the pretend reporter. The irony being it reminded me of reality TV pretending to be real.



Trying to understand...
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Hahaha This is one blue pill induced raging boner fest. Enjoy your last rager boys!



IMO only here but Stoner is very self centred and I gain the impression very focused on basically giving a big FU to the aspects and people within the sport whom he feels have caused his problems and feelings. One of the best ways of giving that FU is to simply say 'take this job and shove it' (I mean, many people have wanted to do just that in their employment).



Whether that is the wrong or right attitude is very debatable (I personally favour wrong as he has made a commitment and should stick with it), but I for one would not be surprised as Stoner is not one to care about convention.



Hahaha .... yea, thats what I am talking about! I am really going to miss you guys.
 
That was more than a moment for Pedrosa!! From the look of it something (maybe Cal) did something that threw up some dust which clearly put him off and perhaps caused that. He did well to keep on it I say.



Excellent pictures Frizzle, really clear nice ot see. You must be good at photography, if I tried that all I'd get is a blur I reckon.



Oh and on the Stoner thing, if his ankle is really giving him that much trouble now he might not be fit enough to race in Valencia, after all his safety and that of the the other riders has to be considered doesn't it? That's how I'd see it anyway, it might not be his choice as to whether he races again.



That was some water from the kerb, sprayed onto the track by crutchlows knee or elbow.
 
Great shots frizzle!



Must say it looks like Casey is going out with a bang - showing exactly what it is he can do with a motorbike. Fair play!
 
I am prepared to predict (and have done earlier) that if Stoner wins the Island, he may not make Valencia



You surprise me (and those who agree with) this prediction. For all the push back you guys are making over silly comments regarding his commitment to the sport, it seems you guys don't know the man that well after all. What makes you think that he will not honor his contract in good faith? I'm willing to bet you $100 right now he will be at Valencia baring an injury in PI. Bet?







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So quitting a race early would be acceptable? Even, judging by the tone, admirable? Too weird.



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Gaz, this is your reasoning? Gaz, bro, I get the Aussies are, as Kropo said, in mourning (with good reason) but come on gentz, get a grip (easy for me to say, its not Hayden retiring).
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Goat, where and who is projecting the admirable tone of which you speak?



IMO only here but Stoner is very self centred and I gain the impression very focused on basically giving a big FU to the aspects and people within the sport whom he feels have caused his problems and feelings. One of the best ways of giving that FU is to simply say 'take this job and shove it' (I mean, many people have wanted to do just that in their employment).



Whether that is the wrong or right attitude is very debatable (I personally favour wrong as he has made a commitment and should stick with it), but I for one woould not be surprised as Stoner is not one to care about convention.



On the flip side, who knows (as it is actually rarely discussed) just how strong his loyalty is to HRC and/or Puig so he may wish to return to help Pedrosa a little as well .



Either way, when or where he goes some will miss him, some will not miss him and others will not even know he existed.



WTF. "very debatable"? WTF?!? There is NOTHING debatable about not honoring your contract! Vinales has been deservingly lambasted for having a hissy fit and not doing right thing by riding at Sepang; you think Casey would be justified in shitcanning his word, obligations, and contract over his feelings about the league? Again there is nothing debatable about what you propose. I'm laughing at you even suggesting it.



Who is projecting the "admirable tone", you buddy. Despite you saying you wouldn't approve, the message you are sending is that somehow Casey has been screwed enough that it might (debatable) be ok for him to fail to honor his commitment as some statement. What exactly would that "statement" be? Goat is right on this one (a rare thing indeed) that nothing good could come of something so extremely silly of which you suggest.



Edit: Sorry, I have to add more, this suggestion is just too ....... silly. Ok, Gaz (and those agreeing with this prediction), have you stopped to think what that would mean for his team that he expresses so much love for, to leave them out of the cold for a race because he as in individual wanted to make some statement (which I am confused exactly what that would be)? He has a contract with HRC. And every time I see him around Nakamoto, it looks like they are in a perpetual hug. He would be dishonoring his contract with HRC, not to mention possibly destroying any good future relations he might have with the brand. Jesus, you know, I'll just stop, God knows I could go on a 8000+ word essay about how your suggestion is so wrong.
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As I watched FP1&2, the best commentary quote of the day was, "Will they come within a second of Casey Stoner." I think that is FU enough.
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Anyway, my offer still stands. $100 says that Casey will be at Valencia. And I'll add, if he is capable of winning it, he will. Bet?
 
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Andy, I've refrained, but your Lance Armstrong comparisons to Valentino are wrong dude. If you want to debate it, I'd be happy to in the lounge. Please, find a better comparison.
 
Stoner will finish the season barring an injury. There would be too many people that haven't done the wrong thing by him being let down if he doesn't. He has a bit more intelligence than Vinales. Mind you, Vinales is young and I think he learnt a bit with his hissy.



This is my opinion of course.
 
He is like Super Saiyan, from Dragon Ball, he is in a bubble, you know? When he walk, he walk 1 meter from the ground, without touching the ground. When you arrive in your home Grand Prix, sometimes the track that is your track give you something extra, and already Stoner and Honda are fast every where, every time, so here he have a huge advantage. He has two or three points where he makes the difference compared to the other guys, because also Pedrosa is fast, and I follow him, he ride very well, he slide also a lot, in a very good way, but Stoner is faster.



Valentino Rossi on Casey Stoner at Phillip Island.
 
Gaz, this is your reasoning? Gaz, bro, I get the Aussies are, as Kropo said, in mourning (with good reason) but come on gentz, get a grip (easy for me to say, its not Hayden retiring).
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Hayden will never retire mate, he will be there and around for years to some until another likable American is found that is teased with possibilities but only really a small part player in the larger game.





WTF. "very debatable"? WTF?!? There is NOTHING debatable about not honoring your contract! Vinales has been deservingly lambasted for having a hissy fit and not doing right thing by riding at Sepang; you think Casey would be justified in shitcanning his word, obligations, and contract over his feelings about the league? Again there is nothing debatable about what you propose. I'm laughing at you even suggesting it.



I do not propose it, but simply would not be surprised if it occurred.



What is debatable is whether people agree that it is admirable or acceptable, or whether people feel it is unacceptable and as I said afterwards, for me when you make a commitment you stick with it. Simple.



Would it mean that I would demonise him should he do it, no way as I actually enjoy the no BS, no ..... given attitude that he possesses and would say that if others had the same mentality (or degrees thereof0 than maybe the sport would not be in the position in which it finds itself/



Who is projecting the "admirable tone", you buddy. Despite you saying you wouldn't approve, the message you are sending is that somehow Casey has been screwed enough that it might (debatable) be ok for him to fail to honor his commitment as some statement. What exactly would that "statement" be? Goat is right on this one (a rare thing indeed) that nothing good could come of something so extremely silly of which you suggest.



Read much into a statement Jums?



It is a one line state where I said that I would not be surprised FFS, nowhere does it say that I admire nor hope he does it (although I would in some way love to see the look on Ezpeletas face at season end when Stoner has his final press conference)







Edit: Sorry, I have to add more, this suggestion is just too ....... silly. Ok, Gaz (and those agreeing with this prediction), have you stopped to think what that would mean for his team that he expresses so much love for, to leave them out of the cold for a race because he as in individual wanted to make some statement (which I am confused exactly what that would be)? He has a contract with HRC. And every time I see him around Nakamoto, it looks like they are in a perpetual hug. He would be dishonoring his contract with HRC, not to mention possibly destroying any good future relations he might have with the brand. Jesus, you know, I'll just stop, God knows I could go on a 8000+ word essay about how your suggestion is so wrong.
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I have thought about the team and that alone is the reason why he should ride, nevere mind any other BS that may be around.



As for my suggestion being wrong, and Jums I do know that you often type for effect, attention and as somewhat of a troll, but why is everyone whom has a different opinion wrong (and feel free to type 8000 words, I am an Aussie and give up reading after 150 as that is all our brain can handle)
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As I watched FP1&2, the best commentary quote of the day was, "Will they come within a second of Casey Stoner." I think that is FU enough.
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Absolutely.



He wants to go out of PI with a bang and it is the sheer fact that it is PI that has my attention as to the possibility of his upping and going if he wins (afterall, from what I have read many times on many forums, his leaving will help the fans of the sport)





my offer still stands. $100 says that Casey will be at Valencia. And I'll add, if he is capable of winning it, he will. Bet?



If Stoner can win it he will, simple.



I do not see him settling at PI for anything other than the top step of the podium and on the bet, despite what you read I agree that he will be there but guess that I am not allowed to have a thought that he may not.
 
Hahaha This is one blue pill induced raging boner fest. Enjoy your last rager boys!



Your infatuation with boners has me concerned there young man ................. maybe a doctor is needed





Hahaha .... yea, thats what I am talking about! I am really going to miss you guys.



It's all cool, I reckon you will miss Stoner more than many of us as isn't he the reason for your boner?
 

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