Joined Jul 2015
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Hurricane, WV
I hate it, but just because it affects my riding time. I must see the action live, so I`m glued to tv, and the weekend is the only spare time I have. Usually I recorded quali, watched in the evening, and then Sunday watched the races live. So, I don't like this two days race. Not to mention that the BSB supersport race 1 is also saturday. I follow BSB too, so my weekends are booked till novemberThank god for summer brake.
Best reason there is!!!!! I can appreciate that.
Being in the states on eastern time zone, the races typically are 8am or 4am, so they don't effect seat time to much..
Joined Apr 2011
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Romania
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Good write up but I have a one gripe and a few questions:
"There was almost a Rossi-esque feel to his racing: sitting behind his rivals to put some pressure on them, secure in the knowledge that he could win when push came to shove."
Gripe: come on Kropo, WSBK should be a Rossi-centric free zone. Rossi-esque? You do Jrea a disservice, unless he is getting special tires that give him that "secure knowledge" he has an unfair advantage on everybody else. Granted, the Kawasaki is the class of the field, and surely the Pirelli "quality control" is a diplomatic description, but can we please not compare JREA to VR in cases where making such a parallel begs to point out how they are not like eachother?
Wait wait, JRea is employing 'mind games' and making baseless accusations Kawasaki is unfairly favoring his teammate? Crap, maybe he is Rossi-esque afterall.
2nd, can you elaborate on the quality control of Pirelli in terms of how this may effect riders or may effect particular riders this season please? You just produced a cold chill over my body, thinking of 'the back of the Pirelli truck'.
3rd, the German rider who suffered a blown tire, can you provide more info please. What is the result of investigation? Has Pirelli, like Michelin, claim it was the team's fault? Faulty tire? What? Tire pressure data, anything available yet?
4th, WSS, will it merit paragraphs of analysis like you do for the lower categories of GP?
5th, your thoughts on PJ Jacobson.
6th, I didn't know Donington Wsbk was poorly attended. I knew the Spanish hadn't bought into the series, but I assumed the Brits had. Especially with so many Brits doing well in Wsbk. Perhaps does it have to do with something else? Was attendance low at Silverstone? Just wondering because I see Brits motorsport crazy. Is it perhaps a scheduling issue, competition with other series? Wondering.
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Good write up but I have a one gripe and a few questions:
"There was almost a Rossi-esque feel to his racing: sitting behind his rivals to put some pressure on them, secure in the knowledge that he could win when push came to shove."
Gripe: come on Kropo, WSBK should be a Rossi-centric free zone. Rossi-esque? You do Jrea a disservice, unless he is getting special tires that give him that "secure knowledge" he has an unfair advantage on everybody else. Granted, the Kawasaki is the class of the field, and surely the Pirelli "quality control" is a diplomatic description, but can we please not compare JREA to VR in cases where making such a parallel begs to point out how they are not like eachother?
Wait wait, JRea is employing 'mind games' and making baseless accusations Kawasaki is unfairly favoring his teammate? Crap, maybe he is Rossi-esque afterall.
2nd, can you elaborate on the quality control of Pirelli in terms of how this may effect riders or may effect particular riders this season please? You just produced a cold chill over my body, thinking of 'the back of the Pirelli truck'.
3rd, the German rider who suffered a blown tire, can you provide more info please. What is the result of investigation? Has Pirelli, like Michelin, claim it was the team's fault? Faulty tire? What? Tire pressure data, anything available yet?
4th, WSS, will it merit paragraphs of analysis like you do for the lower categories of GP?
5th, your thoughts on PJ Jacobson.
6th, I didn't know Donington Wsbk was poorly attended. I knew the Spanish hadn't bought into the series, but I assumed the Brits had. Especially with so many Brits doing well in Wsbk. Perhaps does it have to do with something else? Was attendance low at Silverstone? Just wondering because I see Brits motorsport crazy. Is it perhaps a scheduling issue, competition with other series? Wondering.
1. Get over yourself.
2. QC of Pirelli is like Mahatma Gandhi's view of Western Civilization. (Google the quote).
3. Pirelli is Italian. Data very rarely emerges. Bridgestone were a paragon of openness, Michelin are in between the two.
4. Haven't watched the WSS race yet, so I do not feel qualified to comment. I barely feel qualified to comment on WSBK.
5. Awesome, but needs to get it done this year.
Good write up but I have a one gripe and a few questions:
"There was almost a Rossi-esque feel to his racing: sitting behind his rivals to put some pressure on them, secure in the knowledge that he could win when push came to shove."
Gripe: come on Kropo, WSBK should be a Rossi-centric free zone. Rossi-esque? You do Jrea a disservice, unless he is getting special tires that give him that "secure knowledge" he has an unfair advantage on everybody else. Granted, the Kawasaki is the class of the field, and surely the Pirelli "quality control" is a diplomatic description, but can we please not compare JREA to VR in cases where making such a parallel begs to point out how they are not like eachother?
Wait wait, JRea is employing 'mind games' and making baseless accusations Kawasaki is unfairly favoring his teammate? Crap, maybe he is Rossi-esque afterall.
2nd, can you elaborate on the quality control of Pirelli in terms of how this may effect riders or may effect particular riders this season please? You just produced a cold chill over my body, thinking of 'the back of the Pirelli truck'.
3rd, the German rider who suffered a blown tire, can you provide more info please. What is the result of investigation? Has Pirelli, like Michelin, claim it was the team's fault? Faulty tire? What? Tire pressure data, anything available yet?
4th, WSS, will it merit paragraphs of analysis like you do for the lower categories of GP?
5th, your thoughts on PJ Jacobson.
6th, I didn't know Donington Wsbk was poorly attended. I knew the Spanish hadn't bought into the series, but I assumed the Brits had. Especially with so many Brits doing well in Wsbk. Perhaps does it have to do with something else? Was attendance low at Silverstone? Just wondering because I see Brits motorsport crazy. Is it perhaps a scheduling issue, competition with other series? Wondering.
1. Get over yourself.
2. QC of Pirelli is like Mahatma Gandhi's view of Western Civilization. (Google the quote).
3. Pirelli is Italian. Data very rarely emerges. Bridgestone were a paragon of openness, Michelin are in between the two.
4. Haven't watched the WSS race yet, so I do not feel qualified to comment. I barely feel qualified to comment on WSBK.
5. Awesome, but needs to get it done this year.
6. No, just a general loss of interest in the sport. Hard to pinpoint the problem. Weird, as it's Brits winning everything which isn't nailed down. Of course, most Brits are Rossi fans, maybe that's the problem...
Joined Oct 2012
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Crab Key
I usually go to PI Thursday night and stay until Monday.
Got lots of friends who can't swing a whole weekend. So they often turn up Saturday night or Sunday morning.
But yeah, if it's a long way to the track, and you're there all weekend, probably no biggy.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Thanks for the reply Krop, much appreciated.
I Googled the quote. I actually read it a long time ago, thanks for reminding me of it. When I searched, this is exactly what I found; (which actually made me quite 'satisfied' [smug smirk], below is a cut and paste):
'Mahatma Gandhi is credited with a brilliantly acerbic remark made in response to a question from a self-satisfied journalist:
Journalist: What do you think of Western civilization?'
Gandhi: "I think it would be a good idea."
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Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Pirelli is the absolute worst of the major tire companies supplying motorsports period.
The way they chose to conduct their tire construct in Formula 1 is about the worst you could ever see. They did something none of the other manufacturers would do; create a tire that was designed to degrade quickly, where the tire performance would drop off of a cliff if you pushed it too hard.
This is supposedly changing for 2016, where the design will feature a harder compound underneath the top compound so as to prevent the tires from falling off of a cliff as they have since 2011. In years past, there was a plastic underneath the top compound. So when you would push the tire too hard, or the tire compound wore down, the increased heat would harden the plastic. Unfortunately, once that happened, you couldn't simply nurse the tires till they cooled down and then drive harder again. The tires were ruined at that point.
Yeah Pirelli made the tires at the insistence of Formula One Management....but no other manufacturer would do it. All of them refused to ever make a tire that quickly degraded. Not a fan of Pirelli one bit.
The way they chose to conduct their tire construct in Formula 1 is about the worst you could ever see. They did something none of the other manufacturers would do; create a tire that was designed to degrade quickly, where the tire performance would drop off of a cliff if you pushed it too hard.
This is supposedly changing for 2016, where the design will feature a harder compound underneath the top compound so as to prevent the tires from falling off of a cliff as they have since 2011. In years past, there was a plastic underneath the top compound. So when you would push the tire too hard, or the tire compound wore down, the increased heat would harden the plastic. Unfortunately, once that happened, you couldn't simply nurse the tires till they cooled down and then drive harder again. The tires were ruined at that point.
Yeah Pirelli made the tires at the insistence of Formula One Management....but no other manufacturer would do it. All of them refused to ever make a tire that quickly degraded. Not a fan of Pirelli one bit.
Joined Apr 2008
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Out of Nowhere
I am - which is why I've ordered a set of Corsa Rosso's for both road and track use.
In respect of F1, I am lack the necessary knowledge to comment, although your post is very informative.
The introduction to WSB as a control tyre I would argue has been a revelation and although as Krop points out, QA has been at times...erratic or even non existent, the rider testimonies for the large part are complimentary.
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
I've never tried their motorcycle tires, I believe my friend runs them on his Speed Triple R and he likes them.
I don't know, the way they conducted themselves in F1 just left a sour taste in my mouth, and I haven't felt compelled to try their tires on any vehicle. The farm machinery I ride has Michelin Scorchers. They're better than the Dunlops I had on the prior bike. The front Dunlop was finished in 3500 miles or so. We'll see how the Michelin wears now that the warm weather is almost here.
But here is one of the Pirelli debacles in F1, Silverstone 2013.
Exploding tires...they blamed everyone and the track for it.
The thing with Pirelli is that they do not take any responsibility for any tire issue...it's always someone else, FOM, team, engineers, driver, track, etc. Vettel had a blowout after passing though Eau Rouge and hit Radillion at the top at Spa last August...could have been catastrophic had it happened a second earlier. Oh well.
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