WSBK: Round 1 Phillip Island 2016

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Jumkie said:
I don't think we will see the relic Honda do as well in Europe. PI is unique. Ominous if you're not on a Kawasaki.

Edit: big ups to Chavez Davies for effort though. You can't win playing it safe.
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JPSLotus said:
Problem is the weakness of the CBR1000RR is only going to become more apparent as the season goes on. Phillip Island is the great equalizer out of all of the circuits on this planet.
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No, it doesn't auger well for the rest of the field. Saying that, Gerrit and Ronald seem to have sharpened that fossil-blade somewhat over the winter which is after all what they are renowned for being able to do. Looks like a vastly improved package to me. Perhaps it's the fact that they finally have a Flying Dutchman on the thing. Remember, Muggers and Foret in Supersport though, how fast those CBR6s were? Then Vermeulen and later Toseland on the blade? It amazes me how they continue to rinse extra clicks out of such a prehistoric lump. I think I was wrong suggesting that the headwind may have inhibited the ZX10 yesterday, because the Ducati and the Blade certainly had the run of it down the Gardner straight today. PI is indeed inimitable. In GP, Jerez is regarded as the definitive test bed...as Rainey used to term it 'where the ground war began', if your bike works there, it's always a good sign. WSB doesn't go there until the back end of the calendar, but I do agree, once the series hits Europe, the Kawasaki could come into its own.

Well said about Chaz. I don't necessarily have him down as a serial crasher though - don't agree there. That was a gritty ride, but when he tried that move again around Honda, watch again, Rea was very clever in anticipating it and sat several inches wider to make the overlap. Chaz ran in wide and hot and low sided. Shame, because had he have held him off at MG, the way the Ducati gets the power down around T11 and T12 he may have held hm to the line.

Bern1 said:
That Gobert, he was a wily one when he was "on."
I wonder what he is doing nowadays??
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That all depended upon what he was 'on' at the time - and I don't mean machinery.

What's he doing nowadays? I'm sure Gaz would be happy to regale you with his antics. I think he helps pack pensioners shopping bags at the Surfers Paradise Super Mart.

Talking of Ozzie has-beens...Westy!!!! Great ride matey.

Jumkie said:
I agree, Nicky shouldn't have lost that spot.
Did you watch race 1? The reason Nicky was probably tentative is because the front tire took a dump mid race while he was in lead group. Actually both Honda riders experienced serious front tire drops. So he was in absolute conservation mode.

Also, he's never raced with these group of guys, he mentioned this in pre press. Meaning he didn't know their tendencies. This is important. Guiliano has crashed often trying for position, I'd say he's actually known for it, meaning he's super aggressive. Nicky may just put that in his mental bank. Agree though, at that late in the lap, you got to guard the position at all cost. He lost this one, no doubt.
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I think the fronts falling away may be attributed to tyre choice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't those affected opt for the harder compound in Race 2?

Regarding point 2, absolutely agree. Nicky is watching and learning - understanding not only the package he has, but the nature of the riders around him.

Jumkie said:
Seriously, who has crashed more than Guiliano on a factory Duc? Fabrizio? Ruben Xaus?
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Axiomatic...the only man I've ever seen crash twice on a warm up lap and also on a victory cool down.
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MV had a utter disaster this weekend...although Zanetti was forced out by Caricasulo. Speaking of which, that move round the outside of Jacobsen over Lukey Heights was insane. Great stuff.

Great debut win for Krummenacher, always felt that he had more to offer - can't believe it's seven years since the ruptured spleen that almost claimed his life.
 
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Fantastic wrap up as usual. "Fossil-blade."

VDM may just be that special compa. Sykes is the biggest loser of the weekend, though I hope he doesn't become a headcase like last year. I rate him highly, plus I don't want to see Jrea run away with it. The title is JRea's to lose, let's be honest. But Sykes and Davies need to make it interesting.

Ruben Xaus. I remember using a picture of his as my screensaver, but my computer then crashed. (Stolen joke)

PJ Jacobson was impressive in WSS. Missing out on the podium hurt. But he looks like the real deal. I hate being forced to root for Honda, but all the people I cheer for are on the thing. "Ride Red" better than dead.
 
Jumkie said:
Perhaps you missed it, but I said and I quote: "I'll be cheering for Pedro to keep Rossi off the podium this year." Baby steps comps.
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C'mon you know you luv Dani! Those pics still exist of you & him from years gone by. :D
 
PI is definitely Sykes bogey track, just had 2 3rd places in the 8 years he's visited.
 
So good to see SBK back, great racing, Yamaha return looked impressive, Duc looks good, Honda has unlocked some ponies, Kwaka still the one to beat but hopefully it stays this close all year.

Vandermark, very impressive, rider of the meet for mine over Rhea.

Old man Haystack, impressive to be that close to young gun Vanders considering Guintoli as reigning champ got smoked by him when he was on the Honda. Makes me wonder all the ifs. I know its woulda coulda but definitely Hayden shoulda switched to SBK instead of wasting two years and injuries on Honda production RCrapV.

And yeah for ..... sake cover your line, was shocked he got passed there of all places.
 
Can't be touched
Can't be stopped
Can't be moved
Can't be rocked
Can't be shook
Rea's hot
When will you haters learn
 
Dr No said:
I get it...but some people block out a Sunday to see the racing. As in, attend it. 2 race/2 days makes that more difficult
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When going to a race, you didn't go Saturday for the FP and Qualifying already?

When going to a GP race, I go for Friday through Sunday. Figured folks would do the same for WSBK.

Seems like a long way to go just to go Sunday, unless you live within a easy drive of the track... Then you might of a complaint.
 
WVMotoGP99 said:
When going to a race, you didn't go Saturday for the FP and Qualifying already?

When going to a GP race, I go for Friday through Sunday. Figured folks would do the same for WSBK.

Seems like a long way to go just to go Sunday, unless you live within a easy drive of the track... Then you might of a complaint.
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I like the 2 day approach since the weather conditions obviously do change from day to day. It adds a different element to the entire race weekend that GP doesn't have.
 
I don't know yet what format I like. I liked the 2 races on Sunday. But I'm still digesting the new format.
 
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Looks like Hayden realises it's not all going to be like PI this year, but is enjoying himself.

Despite finishing marginally over 1.5 seconds off the race winner in his first weekend racing for the Ten Kate Honda squad, Nicky Hayden couldn't hide his disappointment on missing a debut podium in the class by 0.039s.

The American underlined how he had lost none of his fighting instincts after two years on uncompetitive 'Open' class MotoGP machinery in the Phillip Island World Superbike double header, as he fought to put himself within touching distance of third place on the final lap of race two.

Yet a typically uncompromising move from Davide Giugliano pushed the American off line at turn ten, handing the Italian the ideal line through the final double lefts that ensured he exited the final corner with enough in hand to fend off the advancing Honda man.

A top three finish would have been Hayden's first ascent of a podium since Jerez, 2011, but Giugliano's final manoeuvre left him 'disappointed not to get it done.'

“The bike was much better today and the pace was faster," said Hayden. "I'm really thankful to my guys. It's just unfortunate that I couldn't at least get on the podium. It's tough but it's how it goes. We learned a lot from race one to race two. I learned a lot this whole weekend.

“As much as I'm a little disappointed I should be not too disappointed and try and look at the positives. I would have been satisfied with the podium. Even though Chaz crashed and, not given me the position, but I would have been very satisfied with the podium. I'm disappointed not to get it done in the last lap.

“He was on the inside. He came around me in turn nine and he was there. But I braked really deep and could close the door. I missed the line and was out of position for turn ten. When I opened the gas in eleven the traction control was cutting.

“The tyre was incredible. It was perfect until [Tom] Sykes and Giugliano touched. There was a gap to the front three and I really pushed. I think I did my fastest lap to close that gap down. But I took a little out of the tyre and I needed to go down on the traction control. I did go down some but I should have done more. He just drove past me and I got a run on him through the last corner but not enough. That's racing, you know.”

Coming off a disappointing first race, in which his podium aspirations were ruined by a severely worn front tyre, Hayden opted for different compound on Sunday, while riding style and chassis changes also kept him in the victory hunt.

“We ran a different front tyre today and also we changed the balance of the bike. Also my riding style. Yesterday I really wasn't expecting any problems with the front. I was really attacking the corners and, if anything, I was trying to save the rear tyre. The rear never dropped. Without so much time, we changed a combination of things and don't really know what made the tyre last. It's not really clear why it went of yesterday but we're happy also to race with the SC2. I went into the race and had used that tyre very little. I was not sure for that race.

“I like the two races. I would say that. Yesterday, you know, to go home with that feeling after being in the lead group going back to ninth wasn't nice. I learned a lot. It was nice to be in the lead group and to be on the front straight and not have guys come past me on both sides like the last two years.”

With team-mate Michael van der Mark scoring two strong podium finishes, Hayden was under no illusions that Phillip Island is a circuit that suits the CBR1000RR's strong points.

Thailand represented more of a challenge to the machine in 2015, and it's the circuit in South East Asia that Hayden feels the double header at the Burirum circuit will be a sign of 'what I'm going to be in for this year.'

“I'm looking forward to going to Thailand. We'll find out a bit more the reality of what our potential is for this season. Here, we got to test for two days and I was able to understand Superbike. There is going to be what I'm up against. On paper it doesn't suit our bike like this one.

“We'll go on Friday morning, have two sessions and basically a quick qualifying and a race. It'll be entirely different. Not that this weekend was easy by any means but I'm expecting it to be harder next week. That's what I'm going to be in for this year so I might as well get a taste for it.”
Read more at WSBK News - Hayden ?disappointed not to get it done in last lap?
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I hate it, but just because it affects my riding time. I must see the action live, so I`m glued to tv, and the weekend is the only spare time I have. Usually I recorded quali, watched in the evening, and then Sunday watched the races live. So, I don't like this two days race. Not to mention that the BSB supersport race 1 is also saturday. I follow BSB too, so my weekends are booked till november :) Thank god for summer brake.
 
gekko1ro said:
I hate it, but just because it affects my riding time. I must see the action live, so I`m glued to tv, and the weekend is the only spare time I have. Usually I recorded quali, watched in the evening, and then Sunday watched the races live. So, I don't like this two days race. Not to mention that the BSB supersport race 1 is also saturday. I follow BSB too, so my weekends are booked till november :) Thank god for summer brake.
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You got the same illness I do.
 

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