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MM in the slow motion shots turning/spinning the bike with the rear wheel is amazing, DP's fast lap in fp2 was on the ....... edge fast.
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Well, he certainly talks like he would. I'd just hope the camera would be in a position to capture it.
On a related note. This image captured from yesterday's press conference. Requires a caption.
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So...this is why Marc's torpedo is different than when I did it to you.
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I doubt that would be the outcome. Cal's a van driver from Coventry, he'd just wait for him by the motorhome door and dispense some common sense
Well, he certainly talks like he would. I'd just hope the camera would be in a position to capture it.
On a related note. This image captured from yesterday's press conference. Requires a caption.
14762:Estoril recap.png]
So...this is why Marc's torpedo is different than when I did it to you.
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Laguna Seca
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193778/1/dovizioso_admits_fault_for_incident_with_hayden.html
The very next race is when Nicky got inside him and they both went off track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8VyauQ1V9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvfSPEdesE
Laguna Seca
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193778/1/dovizioso_admits_fault_for_incident_with_hayden.html
The very next race is when Nicky got inside him and they both went off track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8VyauQ1V9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvfSPEdesE
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Well in the second video you can clearly see the difference in the way MM would have gone in compared to Nicky, MM would have went to the outside the same way he did with Pedrosa and not taken two bikes over a curb. The other point it brings up is the point penalty system. Are they getting points for contact, aggressive driving, the amount of carelessness in the driving, or some past history. Based on the video you can see that the pass Nicky put on Dovi was much more aggressive and dangerous than what MM did, it took Dovi off his line and the track, was Hayden given any points? Dovi in the first video contacted Hayden and actually damaged his clutch lever, was Dovi given any points? After the second incident they were both sent to race direction to talk about it. MM shouldn't be getting points because you, jlo, and pedro think he's dangerous, you either commit a foul or you don't and that should be the same for the entire grid.
The CS and Jlo time trial processional races are over.
Well in the second video you can clearly see the difference in the way MM would have gone in compared to Nicky, MM would have went to the outside the same way he did with Pedrosa and not taken two bikes over a curb. The other point it brings up is the point penalty system. Are they getting points for contact, aggressive driving, the amount of carelessness in the driving, or some past history. Based on the video you can see that the pass Nicky put on Dovi was much more aggressive and dangerous than what MM did, it took Dovi off his line and the track, was Hayden given any points? Dovi in the first video contacted Hayden and actually damaged his clutch lever, was Dovi given any points? After the second incident they were both sent to race direction to talk about it. MM shouldn't be getting points because you, jlo, and pedro think he's dangerous, you either commit a foul or you don't and that should be the same for the entire grid.
The CS and Jlo time trial processional races are over.
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A follow-up interview of the three amigos, as found at
http://www.motociclismo.es/deporte/mundial-motogp/articulo/guerra-civil-en-la-rueda-de-prensa-de-sepang
(Butchered translation courtesy of Google.)
The press conference prior to the Malaysian Grand Prix has been one of the most controversial of the season and I would almost say of recent years. We all expected the opinions of Marquez and Pedrosa after spending this morning by Race Direction. As you have read this morning, Race Direction has put one more point in the Marquez penalty points and has taken 25 points to Honda by the technical problem that caused the fall of Pedrosa in Aragon after contact with Marc But what than any we had, was with the statements made by Jorge Lorenzo. "It seems unfair to have put a point to Marc, I think they should but putting it on the classification, not on the card," he said in a tone clearly ironic.
But then he went further and continued his sarcastic speech about what people want and how you should judge actions Career Management. I will play interviews with Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Marquez and integrity, because as you will read below, no waste ... All have a point in his remarks, but what is clear is that this matter Race Direction have been gotten out of hand and have to Lorenzo and Pedrosa totally against the way they act. A Marquez, as you read further, you go in one ear and out the other, but the powers that be at the World Cup should not be. Judge for yourself, because statements of Jorge and Dani have a lot of substance
Jorge Lorenzo
Are you serious everything you say in English?
"Seriously. I think the penalty is too Marc, unnecessary, I think the opposite, that we should put a point to this type of action, such as increasing the show pilot, pilots we are passing, it is important that we lesionemos, what matters is the public, people have fun and the action was fun Jerez, Silverstone see the marshals running was super fun. At Laguna Seca overtaking outside the track too, seeing flying Dani Aragon was incredibly fun-but then qualified that did not mean funny because he did grace that Pedrosa fell, though ironically was, 'I think that had to encourage such actions so that the younger drivers caught example and so make a more entertaining sport, it's a good idea. "
Irony? Altogether?
"It is my opinion, I'm not ironic. I thought differently, thought differently before. "
What will your behavior from now?
"It has nothing to do, I think the vision is wrong, you have to put a point in the championship and I guess I'll fly as far, just fine, just steady and trying to win all the remaining races."
What if they put more points in the championship drive well ...?
"Currently there is."
What will people think with what you just said?
"I do not know, is my opinion, I've always been an honest guy and I always say what I think. I'm quite care what people think. "
Is not it ironic?
"Why are you still with irony, I've given my opinion and must be respected. In the end, if you're not Lorenzo Lorenzo anything you say will seem wrong, like if you're from Lorenzo anything you say will seem fine. It is my opinion, and I have to respect that. "
And then, for you was fun to see Dani fly?
"What people want is this. What you see in this action is repeated. The controversies that are created are what ultimately make audiences continue to grow in other races. Do not think that I enjoy watching fly. I was messed up seeing Dani fly and when I found out I had leg problems and could not walk got sick but that's what people buy and what you ask for, as in the Roman circus people calling for the kill people. People obviously do not want people to die that's evident that times have changed and what the Romans thought is not what you think now but when there falls, when friction, more people buy the product. The health of pilots right now is not protected, I think why over a point in the championship like it would be better for our sport. I do not know ".
How might this affect the track tomorrow?
"It should not affect, I'll fly as usual and try to win the next one and that's it".
If you were Race Direction would you do?
"Career Management has done well, is too fine today. In the past thought differently, think differently now and tomorrow do not know what you think in the future, but it will be different. "
And you feel part of a Roman circus?
"Very modernized, but yeah. We are gladiators in the end if we hurt and we can not keep running anyway, the end is well. So far there has been advocated for the safety of the drivers and perhaps the show's best encourage such actions, that's all I said. "
Do you think as happened to Stoner, with these complaints people may criticize you?
"Well I will be criticized but continue to live well, keep running the same and nothing will change. But in the end if Dani is injured the other day or I get injured at Jerez people will remain the same on their couches watching the races and we will be annoyed. "
We will have to do a journalistic exercise of responsibility ... Do we put before you spoke ironically?
"If you think it's ironic statement put before Lorenzo uses irony and says this ... I have said that I was not ironic, I changed my mind, today I said this morning and just think something else. "
Are you pissed off because you at the time you punished with a career and want to send a message to Race Direction?
"So are a surprise, but it's what I think today. No message at all. "
Marc Márquez
What do you think what you said Lorenzo?
"Well, I respect, I listen but do not share. At the end it has caught on here but in the end he will have his explanations ".
Among other things, says that you are part of a Roman circus, modernized, and that what ultimately matters is the show. Do you feel like that?
"No. The world of motorcycling is very nice, we are here to enjoy, with passion, and I think that these words are very good for motorcycling. Do not feel the same way. We all want to see a show, you can see with joy, fun and lots of other things. "
Do you think you are upset because you have only one point, I expected a higher penalty as he did in his day?
"I do not know, I guess if this has been said in this tone is angry and has his reasons. I already mentioned in Aragon it was a career haul of bad luck, that if I do not touch the cable no talk of this. In the end these things happen and we are experiencing a very nice championship. "
What do you think of the penalty?
"Regarding the decision. I said it was a set of very bad luck, and to be my partner for me was worse, because it is the last one that I want anything to happen. I Race Direction has decided to impose a point on the card, I respect that and we have to move on and focus on Malaysia as if nothing had happened. "
Does being at a point of a possible sanction in what can affect your riding?
"These things are involuntary. Earlier this season he understood, what happened in Jerez, in Montmelo, the issue of braking ... I saw that I lacked experience, hours on the bike, but now has happened in Aragon. The Misano was different, was far from Dani and I went along but with distance. And it happened again in Aragon, but it is not something that happens in every race. "
You said you're going to remain the same.
"I'll try that nothing happens, pay attention to these actions, under braking, but I already paid attention until now. I will remain the same, because I think I do nothing wrong, but try not happen. "
Honda has lost 25 points and there was no appeal. Does that mean Honda recognizes its share of blame for the incident?
"Once it's all over, Honda I recognized that there were two sentences on the bike and try to improve that. Because I was the first one that I was interested, because what happened to Dani I could happen to me with another action. They said cable first and then the software that came fast. Have changed for this race and made a protection for the cable and a software update. "
Your team already had made such a request in the past. Do not?
"Yes, I think you had mentioned, but nothing ever happened ...".
Does it increase your pressure level with this?
"No, I have the head where I have to have, in the championship on the track, and in the end I know very well catch according to comments, and I'm not interested go in one side and out the other" .
Dani Pedrosa
What do you think of Marc penalty point?
"That is a thing of the Race Direction. I was called to go there to be part of the incident, because I fell. But one thing is absolutely of them. "
Yes it seems that Honda has recognized the failure of the cable and the reaction of electronics.
"When these things happen there is always an evolution. When a problem like this then there is a way to fix it, because before is very difficult to consider this option, something happens. "
How you fall the other day?
"Well, hip ... three days I was pretty bad, I could not walk. Then I started to improve a lot, although expected to be well, I'm not as good as expected. "
About the sanction Marquez, you said you were coming as part involved as a witness, but then you see the irony of Jorge, commenting that the penalty was too much, they should have given him a point in the standings, this is a circus Roman people that what he likes is that these things happen, hints, falls ...
"That's obvious".
Do you agree with Lorenzo then?
"Yes, I think it was ironic, but a touch, because it's true, what matters is truth. We're not talking about anyone in particular, we are talking in general and was not talking about the pilots nor Jorge, I think. "
He said he would have to give Marc a point more in the overall ...
"Ok, because this was the case of Aragon. There are many times I'm watching the train of 125 (Ed: Moto3 meaning) and no touch with other drivers in a free workout. The reference, of course, we are. We are talking about people who have 15, 16 years, they have to know that you have to run hard, because this is racing, but, as you moving up the hosts are no longer small. And the speed is higher, the weight is greater, the impact is stronger. The probability that either leave stand is different. It is clear that the people sitting on their couch with a beer loves. 'Oh, look, what has been host!'. But I also won boxing championships seeing Tyson from my couch. He also said "give, but give stronger". But, of course, was not in the ring, is very different. "
Lorenzo leaving clear is that Marquez is a bad example. Do you also think it's a bad example?
"(Silence) I think the problem is not so much there, I think it is somewhere else. I think that the sanctions have to be penalties, I spent two weeks to tell you I do not know why ... And I do not mean anyone in particular, I'm talking about pilots at 125, for example, which have a constant attitude that cause accidents other drivers, randomly, and that's what you have to look from underneath. Because if you do so with more speed, more weight ... ".
This morning you said this in Career Management?
"No, no, no, because, as I said, I think it's a decision of Race Direction, they are the ones who have the right. I did not say at any time that penalize Marc, this has been one thing from them. I did not call anyone or anything, the opposite. "
You said that this can not go ...
"Yes, but I have not gone to appeal anything, have been the ones who have called Marc and I have been called as a witness because I was part of the mess, I was the hit, say. So I think something happened here two years ago, and before that here, and not learned, I think it has been learned. That's what I think. And so George is of the same opinion, because at that time, Casey, George, I complained and then what happened happened and does not seem to have affected anyone ... ".
From what happened, first, nobody was glad of it, and second, went through sheer bad luck, it was a violent action. Do we agree with that?
"It happened because it happened, I can not say more happened.
I think it was just bad luck, and nobody is happy ...
"And I did not say that either. I only say that we must take care that there is no precedent and to learn from them. "
You say you do not want to talk about any specific driver, but today is wrapped around by the case of Aragon Marquez-Pedrosa, and what is said in reference to Lorenzo Marquez.
"We'll see. This already makes me tired. Obviously, in Aragon, not much happened, I was unlucky. Marc came a little old, I played for the side, and I had bad luck. Understood. But if you pull the thread of that name're seeing things that have happened, and that's what we say. If you pull the thread of someone else you do not see many things. And that's what I think is important. "
And with those precedents, do you think we should have put, as Lorenzo in his day, a penalty stroke? Because the latter had been out to more dangerous by what could have been busy ...
"No, I tell you. I think Marc has done a great championship, which until now has run very well, has made great careers. I sorprendidísimo of how he drove in his first year. Otherwise, nothing. "
Stoner has said that more should respect their opponents, not running alone ...
"If what I said in Aragon! But then, as I said, it is another thing. You are well or you're well. There are people who control that, and other ... seems that the system does not work. It's what George has tried to say ".
It is a message to Race Direction, which are those that regulate this sort of thing and set an example for those who are starting.
"Sure".
You, as a veteran, when you talk to Marc, privately ...
"No, no, I speak with him. Earlier we spoke when we were there, and I said I had bad luck, is what you get, but you must understand that I also had a guy before, and I have to control what makes the front to stay out in any trouble, and behind me has to contralarme to me, and the other above, and so on. And that is a standard everywhere. It's what we talked about."
http://www.motociclismo.es/deporte/mundial-motogp/articulo/guerra-civil-en-la-rueda-de-prensa-de-sepang
(Butchered translation courtesy of Google.)
The press conference prior to the Malaysian Grand Prix has been one of the most controversial of the season and I would almost say of recent years. We all expected the opinions of Marquez and Pedrosa after spending this morning by Race Direction. As you have read this morning, Race Direction has put one more point in the Marquez penalty points and has taken 25 points to Honda by the technical problem that caused the fall of Pedrosa in Aragon after contact with Marc But what than any we had, was with the statements made by Jorge Lorenzo. "It seems unfair to have put a point to Marc, I think they should but putting it on the classification, not on the card," he said in a tone clearly ironic.
But then he went further and continued his sarcastic speech about what people want and how you should judge actions Career Management. I will play interviews with Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Marquez and integrity, because as you will read below, no waste ... All have a point in his remarks, but what is clear is that this matter Race Direction have been gotten out of hand and have to Lorenzo and Pedrosa totally against the way they act. A Marquez, as you read further, you go in one ear and out the other, but the powers that be at the World Cup should not be. Judge for yourself, because statements of Jorge and Dani have a lot of substance
Jorge Lorenzo
Are you serious everything you say in English?
"Seriously. I think the penalty is too Marc, unnecessary, I think the opposite, that we should put a point to this type of action, such as increasing the show pilot, pilots we are passing, it is important that we lesionemos, what matters is the public, people have fun and the action was fun Jerez, Silverstone see the marshals running was super fun. At Laguna Seca overtaking outside the track too, seeing flying Dani Aragon was incredibly fun-but then qualified that did not mean funny because he did grace that Pedrosa fell, though ironically was, 'I think that had to encourage such actions so that the younger drivers caught example and so make a more entertaining sport, it's a good idea. "
Irony? Altogether?
"It is my opinion, I'm not ironic. I thought differently, thought differently before. "
What will your behavior from now?
"It has nothing to do, I think the vision is wrong, you have to put a point in the championship and I guess I'll fly as far, just fine, just steady and trying to win all the remaining races."
What if they put more points in the championship drive well ...?
"Currently there is."
What will people think with what you just said?
"I do not know, is my opinion, I've always been an honest guy and I always say what I think. I'm quite care what people think. "
Is not it ironic?
"Why are you still with irony, I've given my opinion and must be respected. In the end, if you're not Lorenzo Lorenzo anything you say will seem wrong, like if you're from Lorenzo anything you say will seem fine. It is my opinion, and I have to respect that. "
And then, for you was fun to see Dani fly?
"What people want is this. What you see in this action is repeated. The controversies that are created are what ultimately make audiences continue to grow in other races. Do not think that I enjoy watching fly. I was messed up seeing Dani fly and when I found out I had leg problems and could not walk got sick but that's what people buy and what you ask for, as in the Roman circus people calling for the kill people. People obviously do not want people to die that's evident that times have changed and what the Romans thought is not what you think now but when there falls, when friction, more people buy the product. The health of pilots right now is not protected, I think why over a point in the championship like it would be better for our sport. I do not know ".
How might this affect the track tomorrow?
"It should not affect, I'll fly as usual and try to win the next one and that's it".
If you were Race Direction would you do?
"Career Management has done well, is too fine today. In the past thought differently, think differently now and tomorrow do not know what you think in the future, but it will be different. "
And you feel part of a Roman circus?
"Very modernized, but yeah. We are gladiators in the end if we hurt and we can not keep running anyway, the end is well. So far there has been advocated for the safety of the drivers and perhaps the show's best encourage such actions, that's all I said. "
Do you think as happened to Stoner, with these complaints people may criticize you?
"Well I will be criticized but continue to live well, keep running the same and nothing will change. But in the end if Dani is injured the other day or I get injured at Jerez people will remain the same on their couches watching the races and we will be annoyed. "
We will have to do a journalistic exercise of responsibility ... Do we put before you spoke ironically?
"If you think it's ironic statement put before Lorenzo uses irony and says this ... I have said that I was not ironic, I changed my mind, today I said this morning and just think something else. "
Are you pissed off because you at the time you punished with a career and want to send a message to Race Direction?
"So are a surprise, but it's what I think today. No message at all. "
Marc Márquez
What do you think what you said Lorenzo?
"Well, I respect, I listen but do not share. At the end it has caught on here but in the end he will have his explanations ".
Among other things, says that you are part of a Roman circus, modernized, and that what ultimately matters is the show. Do you feel like that?
"No. The world of motorcycling is very nice, we are here to enjoy, with passion, and I think that these words are very good for motorcycling. Do not feel the same way. We all want to see a show, you can see with joy, fun and lots of other things. "
Do you think you are upset because you have only one point, I expected a higher penalty as he did in his day?
"I do not know, I guess if this has been said in this tone is angry and has his reasons. I already mentioned in Aragon it was a career haul of bad luck, that if I do not touch the cable no talk of this. In the end these things happen and we are experiencing a very nice championship. "
What do you think of the penalty?
"Regarding the decision. I said it was a set of very bad luck, and to be my partner for me was worse, because it is the last one that I want anything to happen. I Race Direction has decided to impose a point on the card, I respect that and we have to move on and focus on Malaysia as if nothing had happened. "
Does being at a point of a possible sanction in what can affect your riding?
"These things are involuntary. Earlier this season he understood, what happened in Jerez, in Montmelo, the issue of braking ... I saw that I lacked experience, hours on the bike, but now has happened in Aragon. The Misano was different, was far from Dani and I went along but with distance. And it happened again in Aragon, but it is not something that happens in every race. "
You said you're going to remain the same.
"I'll try that nothing happens, pay attention to these actions, under braking, but I already paid attention until now. I will remain the same, because I think I do nothing wrong, but try not happen. "
Honda has lost 25 points and there was no appeal. Does that mean Honda recognizes its share of blame for the incident?
"Once it's all over, Honda I recognized that there were two sentences on the bike and try to improve that. Because I was the first one that I was interested, because what happened to Dani I could happen to me with another action. They said cable first and then the software that came fast. Have changed for this race and made a protection for the cable and a software update. "
Your team already had made such a request in the past. Do not?
"Yes, I think you had mentioned, but nothing ever happened ...".
Does it increase your pressure level with this?
"No, I have the head where I have to have, in the championship on the track, and in the end I know very well catch according to comments, and I'm not interested go in one side and out the other" .
Dani Pedrosa
What do you think of Marc penalty point?
"That is a thing of the Race Direction. I was called to go there to be part of the incident, because I fell. But one thing is absolutely of them. "
Yes it seems that Honda has recognized the failure of the cable and the reaction of electronics.
"When these things happen there is always an evolution. When a problem like this then there is a way to fix it, because before is very difficult to consider this option, something happens. "
How you fall the other day?
"Well, hip ... three days I was pretty bad, I could not walk. Then I started to improve a lot, although expected to be well, I'm not as good as expected. "
About the sanction Marquez, you said you were coming as part involved as a witness, but then you see the irony of Jorge, commenting that the penalty was too much, they should have given him a point in the standings, this is a circus Roman people that what he likes is that these things happen, hints, falls ...
"That's obvious".
Do you agree with Lorenzo then?
"Yes, I think it was ironic, but a touch, because it's true, what matters is truth. We're not talking about anyone in particular, we are talking in general and was not talking about the pilots nor Jorge, I think. "
He said he would have to give Marc a point more in the overall ...
"Ok, because this was the case of Aragon. There are many times I'm watching the train of 125 (Ed: Moto3 meaning) and no touch with other drivers in a free workout. The reference, of course, we are. We are talking about people who have 15, 16 years, they have to know that you have to run hard, because this is racing, but, as you moving up the hosts are no longer small. And the speed is higher, the weight is greater, the impact is stronger. The probability that either leave stand is different. It is clear that the people sitting on their couch with a beer loves. 'Oh, look, what has been host!'. But I also won boxing championships seeing Tyson from my couch. He also said "give, but give stronger". But, of course, was not in the ring, is very different. "
Lorenzo leaving clear is that Marquez is a bad example. Do you also think it's a bad example?
"(Silence) I think the problem is not so much there, I think it is somewhere else. I think that the sanctions have to be penalties, I spent two weeks to tell you I do not know why ... And I do not mean anyone in particular, I'm talking about pilots at 125, for example, which have a constant attitude that cause accidents other drivers, randomly, and that's what you have to look from underneath. Because if you do so with more speed, more weight ... ".
This morning you said this in Career Management?
"No, no, no, because, as I said, I think it's a decision of Race Direction, they are the ones who have the right. I did not say at any time that penalize Marc, this has been one thing from them. I did not call anyone or anything, the opposite. "
You said that this can not go ...
"Yes, but I have not gone to appeal anything, have been the ones who have called Marc and I have been called as a witness because I was part of the mess, I was the hit, say. So I think something happened here two years ago, and before that here, and not learned, I think it has been learned. That's what I think. And so George is of the same opinion, because at that time, Casey, George, I complained and then what happened happened and does not seem to have affected anyone ... ".
From what happened, first, nobody was glad of it, and second, went through sheer bad luck, it was a violent action. Do we agree with that?
"It happened because it happened, I can not say more happened.
I think it was just bad luck, and nobody is happy ...
"And I did not say that either. I only say that we must take care that there is no precedent and to learn from them. "
You say you do not want to talk about any specific driver, but today is wrapped around by the case of Aragon Marquez-Pedrosa, and what is said in reference to Lorenzo Marquez.
"We'll see. This already makes me tired. Obviously, in Aragon, not much happened, I was unlucky. Marc came a little old, I played for the side, and I had bad luck. Understood. But if you pull the thread of that name're seeing things that have happened, and that's what we say. If you pull the thread of someone else you do not see many things. And that's what I think is important. "
And with those precedents, do you think we should have put, as Lorenzo in his day, a penalty stroke? Because the latter had been out to more dangerous by what could have been busy ...
"No, I tell you. I think Marc has done a great championship, which until now has run very well, has made great careers. I sorprendidísimo of how he drove in his first year. Otherwise, nothing. "
Stoner has said that more should respect their opponents, not running alone ...
"If what I said in Aragon! But then, as I said, it is another thing. You are well or you're well. There are people who control that, and other ... seems that the system does not work. It's what George has tried to say ".
It is a message to Race Direction, which are those that regulate this sort of thing and set an example for those who are starting.
"Sure".
You, as a veteran, when you talk to Marc, privately ...
"No, no, I speak with him. Earlier we spoke when we were there, and I said I had bad luck, is what you get, but you must understand that I also had a guy before, and I have to control what makes the front to stay out in any trouble, and behind me has to contralarme to me, and the other above, and so on. And that is a standard everywhere. It's what we talked about."
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Does anyone know if both of the Avintia Blusens bikes are running the pneumatics or is it still just Barbera?
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For safety sake they need to replace the handle bars with steering wheels
