Moto3 Mayhem

moto vudu said:

Again, does Marquez DESERVE to have a rider behave in a reckless manner and smash the ... out of him like he did to Wilaroit?

It actually almost happened at the Redbull Ring when Iannone nearly smashed Marquez into another dimension. I still feel it's odd how that incident got swept under the rug.

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You still have trouble differentiating what was done with intent, and what was not done with intent.

I have seen this amusing video no doubt made by an Italian about the Sepang incident. I noticed that they conveniently don't show the brake lever guard.

JPSLotus said:

You still have trouble differentiating what was done with intent, and what was not done with intent.

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No I don't. It doesn't matter if Marquez didn't intend to hit Wilaroit, it happened as a result of his recklessness. The same way it's agued here that it doesn't matter if Rossi intended for Marquez to crash, it happened as a result of his recklessness.

moto vudu said:

No I don't. It doesn't matter if Marquez didn't intend to hit Wilaroit, it happened as a result of his recklessness. The same way it's agued here that it doesn't matter if Rossi intended for Marquez to crash, it happened as a result of his recklessness.

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Again you just don't get it. Rossi broke a rule, it seems with some stuff surfacing that Marquez didn't. The two incidents are night and day one was done with malicious intent the other was an over exuberant rider trying to test his set up and making a mistake. Listening to Marquez speak about it and watching the video you'll notice that he avoided one rider but couldn't see the other as his view was blocked by the first rider. A stupid mistake nonetheless but certainly not as vile as what Rossi did.

Again you continue to believe that it was an accident that Rossi crashed him something there is no proof of other than Rossis words

moto vudu said:

No I don't. It doesn't matter if Marquez didn't intend to hit Wilaroit, it happened as a result of his recklessness. The same way it's agued here that it doesn't matter if Rossi intended for Marquez to crash, it happened as a result of his recklessness.

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Yes, you really do have difficulty differentiating.

Again, engaging in false equivalence arguments as mentioned, doesn't strengthen your argument. What happened with Marquez in 2011 was a completely different situation altogether, and not worth discussing here.

Never in the history of grand prix motorcycle racing did any rider do what Rossi did at Sepang 2015. That is a fact.

p4p1 said:

Again you just don't get it. Rossi broke a rule, it seems with some stuff surfacing that Marquez didn't. The two incidents are night and day one was done with malicious intent the other was an over exuberant rider trying to test his set up and making a mistake. Listening to Marquez speak about it and watching the video you'll notice that he avoided one rider but couldn't see the other as his view was blocked by the first rider. A stupid mistake nonetheless but certainly not as vile as what Rossi did.

Again you continue to believe that it was an accident that Rossi crashed him something there is no proof of other than Rossis words

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Continuing to race around a track at speed while every other rider has acknowledged the session ended and has slowed down is not a mistake. A mistake would've been if Marquez never saw the chequered flag and wasn't aware the session was over.

There is no proof that Rossi had intent to crash Marquez.

moto vudu said:

There is no proof that Rossi had intent to crash Marquez.

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Not definitively no, but hypothetically - I'd have traded my left testicle on Ebay to have seen Lorenzo do the same to Rossi, witness the ensuing global yellow meltdown and the very different track that your posts would have taken as a result.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Not definitively no, but hypothetically - I'd have traded my left testicle on Ebay to have seen Lorenzo do the same to Rossi, witness the ensuing global yellow meltdown and the very different track that your posts would have taken as a result.

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I think the global yellow horde would gladly accept Lorenzo running Rossi wide resulting in a crash if it meant Rossi would go on to win the championship.

Dr No said:

And Fruit T Bun?
Big Vern = post-Sepang yellow hordes.
I am surprised you no longer read it. Raffles (when he appears) is brill. As is Major Misunderstanding. And there is still enough gold in Letterbocks, profanisaurus and Top Tips to make it worthwhile.

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There used to be a very .... magazine in the 1980s called 'The Weekly News'. I recall that in my first ever job, a lady from the typing pool used to read it. The top tips is a piss take of this sort of pedestrian ..... that you find on the table in Hairdressers for the purple rinse brigade and Doctor's Surgeries alongside Country Life and Gardener's World Magazine.
These magazine ?top tips? are so terrible that they?re utterly hilarious | The Poke

How many Millie Tant's have you encountered? - so accurate. I've met far too many Norbert Colon's along the way too.

JPSLotus said:

Sadly if Daniboy spent as much time as he does on attempting "gotcha posts", as actually learning a thing or two about the sport he professes to be a fan of, he might have something of use to say on this forum.

Given Twitter's 140 character limit, it's a bit difficult to flesh out a full thought on there. My post here --which was much longer than 140 characters-- evaluating the Motegi race hits on what my fleshed out thought was. Yes it couldn't have happened to a better rider, meaning that another title went down the drain. As I said it was karmic payback for the events of 2015. You can take it whatever way you want it to mean Dani, as you clearly already had a particular bent on how you wanted to read it...otherwise you wouldn't have posted it here. I do appreciate you following me across social media looking for something to try and use, since after all, getting an actual original thought to come tumbling out of your brain has become a rather fruitless endeavor.

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Way to go, if you can't truthfully argue a point attempt to discredit me. #notdone.
You could have said many different things about the crash but chose to highlight your hatred of Rossi, which I found rather rich considering your rightful hatred of celebrating crashes.

Wait a minute... wait just a freaking minute! So JPS was on social media celebrating Rossi crashing only to come to this forum and claim the people who cheered Marquez crashing out of the PI race are "....... deplorable"? JPS is already on record wishing Dovi's got his leg broken at COTA!

Excellent investigative work Daniboy. JPS is definitely not the true racing fan he claims to be. He is just a Rossi hater and Stoner fanboy. He would wish death on Lorenzo and Dovi next year if it meant Stoner would race again.

moto vudu said:

I think the global yellow horde would gladly accept Lorenzo running Rossi wide resulting in a crash if it meant Rossi would go on to win the championship.

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would never happen, lorenzo has balls and is man enough to accept defeat

Richy56 said:

would never happen, lorenzo has balls and is man enough to accept defeat

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Was it his balls what slowed him down to finish 6th and 15 seconds behind VR?

Daniboy said:

Was it his balls what slowed him down to finish 6th and 15 seconds behind VR?

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dunno maybe their pretty big. didnt slow him down last when it really mattered and there was a title up for grabs though did they

Daniboy said:

Was it his balls what slowed him down to finish 6th and 15 seconds behind VR?

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Well his balls are big enough to have out raced Rossi in the time they've competed against each other.

p4p1 said:

Well his balls are big enough to have out raced Rossi in the time they've competed against each other.

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Must have shrunk but got heavier this year

moto vudu said:

RD didn't call for a black flag because they wanted to review the entire incident from start to finish. RD penalized Marquez for his actions indirectly by not giving Rossi a more harsh penalty. Rossi is the one who broke a rule, but Marquez was not found to be entirely innocent by RD. You can disagree with RD's call all you want, but they have access to the data that we do not.

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Wrong totally.

RD had cut their own throat earlier in the year the way they penalised Fenati for his stupidity for an incident that was worse

They did not penalise Marquez at all as they had no PROOF of any rules being broken.

Yes yes I know you will make mention of RD's soft cock comments about their 'suspicions' but they were just that, suspicions of an unprovable nature

p4p1 said:

His data didn't prove anything, if anything his data proved that he was racing as it was never made public that RD had proof that Marquez was indeed deliberately trying to .... with Rossi. Vudu if you actually watch the race agin you'll notice that Rossi immediately passes Marquez after being passed like you would if you wanted to .... with somoenes pace while Marquez gives it a few corners to try and find the best place to pass without being repassed. They said they believe him that is it, not that they found merit to his claims. Mike Webb did his best to admonish Rossi of any guilt despite being the only guilty party.

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The interesting point for me was that Marquez's post-Motegi comments went through to the keeper and yet are incredibly relevant given history.

After Motegi, Marquez said (and I paraphrase) words to the effect of 'Valentino would come past and then run wide which happened a few times but eventually he made a big enough mistake and I got clear'. Sound familiar?

AJV80 said:

I agree, the black flag should have been used imediatley. My jaw dropped when i saw that incident. It was very clear that Vale very deliberately stood it up to run Marc wide ... with clarity like that of the incident I can see no reason why they couldn't make the decision during the race.

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I was a dissenting voice on the black flag at the time and remain so today as for mine, allow VR to complete the race and then investigate, punish and penalise as required (whether I feel that the penalty was sufficient is a different matter)

moto vudu said:

Continuing to race around a track at speed while every other rider has acknowledged the session ended and has slowed down is not a mistake. A mistake would've been if Marquez never saw the chequered flag and wasn't aware the session was over.
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But as I showed you some posts back ............. NOT slowing down after the chequered flag breaks no rules so he cannot be penalised for that activity

What he can and was penalised for was his input into the incident with Willarott (again, no comments on whether I feel the punishment was fair), just as was Rossi penalised.

Daniboy said:

Way to go, if you can't truthfully argue a point attempt to discredit me. #notdone.
You could have said many different things about the crash but chose to highlight your hatred of Rossi, which I found rather rich considering your rightful hatred of celebrating crashes.

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Your post here basically discredits you as you once again have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you are one of the absolute, dumbest ....... posters to have ever graced this site. You cannot even comprehend what I said in my response to you, instead opting to pretend like I chose not to address your points. Celebrating someone's title hopes being gone is a lot different than celebrating a crash. But you strike me as the sort who probably would read the bible and take it literally.

Arrab hit the nail on the head when he said you were akin to Terry Fuckwitt.

moto vudu said:

Wait a minute... wait just a freaking minute! So JPS was on social media celebrating Rossi crashing only to come to this forum and claim the people who cheered Marquez crashing out of the PI race are "....... deplorable"? JPS is already on record wishing Dovi's got his leg broken at COTA!

Excellent investigative work Daniboy. JPS is definitely not the true racing fan he claims to be. He is just a Rossi hater and Stoner fanboy. He would wish death on Lorenzo and Dovi next year if it meant Stoner would race again.

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I've already stated that what I said during the COTA race was uncalled for. Something I've never seen admitted by your ilk for years. Stoner fanboy? Sure on some level. But you conveniently ignore how I ripped Stoner just last week.

Part of being a man, is being able to admit when you are wrong about something, which I have no qualms about doing. You on the other hand...well, the record speaks for itself quite well.

JPSLotus said:

Your post here basically discredits you as you once again have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you are one of the absolute, dumbest ....... posters to have ever graced this site. You cannot even comprehend what I said in my response to you, instead opting to pretend like I chose not to address your points. Celebrating someone's title hopes being gone is a lot different than celebrating a crash. But you strike me as the sort who probably would read the bible and take it literally.

Arrab hit the nail on the head when he said you were akin to Terry Fuckwitt.

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Haha, love the comic strip, bought Viz for many years.
Unfortunately for you and Arrab (if he also joins your opinion) your opinion of me is absolutely worthless , you have mistaken me for someone who gives a ..... BTW have you deleted your twitter account? I quite enjoyed your struggles trying to condense a dissertation into 140 chrs. Shrt&swt is key.