Joined Jun 2015
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Cornwall England
I ABSOLUTELY LOATH THIS BEHAVIOUR:furious::furious::devil: its unsportsmanlike and bloody evil
I ABSOLUTELY LOATH THIS BEHAVIOUR:furious::furious::devil: its unsportsmanlike and bloody evil
Joined Jan 2016
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Uk
In the UK, fans misbehaving at football matches are often given lifetime bans or even subject to criminal prosecution, through video evidence.
I'd love some of the scumbags celebrating riders crashing to get a bit of this treatment...
Joined Nov 2015
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A caravan on an island
Joined Oct 2012
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Crab Key
Is this tweet of yours not celebrating a rider going down?
You follow JPS on .......? ?
I prefer:
"I hope someone puts Rossi down on the pavement"
But to be fair, it wasn't a celebration of rider going down (fnarr) rather a wish that a certain rider gets clattered down. Details.
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Joined Nov 2015
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A caravan on an island
Heavens no !
I certainly think it's an outburst of happiness because VR crashed which is IMO as bad as cheering at the track although it's almost in privacy.
I'm pretty sure JPS said that for retaliation to what Rossi did to Marquez. And to be honest he would totally 100% deserve it after his actions.
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Out of Nowhere
How on earth would you be privy to a now largely defunct British colloquialism popularised during the late 1980s associated with our preoccupation as a nation with double entendre, derived from a parody of the English post war children's comic genre?
Joined Oct 2012
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Crab Key
Joined Oct 2012
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Crab Key
I disagree.
I have zero respect for VR's behaviour at Sepang.
The best revenge is to beat him on the track, not wish for someone to clatter into him.
Aside from the bloodymindedness of it, that is likely to lead to VR martyrdom
I'm certainly not saying or even hoping someone does it but I do believe if Marquez retaliated in such a way it would be 100% deserved though I agree with you. The best way for Marquez to get even is to take away all of his records and thus his legacy.
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Sadly if Daniboy spent as much time as he does on attempting "gotcha posts", as actually learning a thing or two about the sport he professes to be a fan of, he might have something of use to say on this forum.
Given Twitter's 140 character limit, it's a bit difficult to flesh out a full thought on there. My post here --which was much longer than 140 characters-- evaluating the Motegi race hits on what my fleshed out thought was. Yes it couldn't have happened to a better rider, meaning that another title went down the drain. As I said it was karmic payback for the events of 2015. You can take it whatever way you want it to mean Dani, as you clearly already had a particular bent on how you wanted to read it...otherwise you wouldn't have posted it here. I do appreciate you following me across social media looking for something to try and use, since after all, getting an actual original thought to come tumbling out of your brain has become a rather fruitless endeavor.
Dr. No, I'm glad you brought up what I said about Rossi because as I said a year ago, Rossi has engaged in a number of dubious and outright dangerous moves in his career precisely because he was never on the receiving end of any of it. Sometimes the only way to get a message thru one's head is to experience the types of moves firsthand that he thought were acceptable to pull on messieurs Gibernau, Stoner, Lorenzo, and Marquez. While the first three didn't crash out, none of the moves were acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. While I do agree with your assessment that the best thing to do is to beat him on the track, given his insistence on carrying on the same tired story from 2015 is not the indicator of one who is by any measure contrite for what they did. As I mentioned numerous times, Rossi thought Simoncelli's dangerous riding was quite amusing, and did plenty to egg that on with his smirks and snickers at press conferences. Yet there he was at Sepang 2011. Plowing right into Simoncelli, ending his life. The lesson to be learned there, simply was not learned sadly.
Given Twitter's 140 character limit, it's a bit difficult to flesh out a full thought on there. My post here --which was much longer than 140 characters-- evaluating the Motegi race hits on what my fleshed out thought was. Yes it couldn't have happened to a better rider, meaning that another title went down the drain. As I said it was karmic payback for the events of 2015. You can take it whatever way you want it to mean Dani, as you clearly already had a particular bent on how you wanted to read it...otherwise you wouldn't have posted it here. I do appreciate you following me across social media looking for something to try and use, since after all, getting an actual original thought to come tumbling out of your brain has become a rather fruitless endeavor.
Dr. No, I'm glad you brought up what I said about Rossi because as I said a year ago, Rossi has engaged in a number of dubious and outright dangerous moves in his career precisely because he was never on the receiving end of any of it. Sometimes the only way to get a message thru one's head is to experience the types of moves firsthand that he thought were acceptable to pull on messieurs Gibernau, Stoner, Lorenzo, and Marquez. While the first three didn't crash out, none of the moves were acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. While I do agree with your assessment that the best thing to do is to beat him on the track, given his insistence on carrying on the same tired story from 2015 is not the indicator of one who is by any measure contrite for what they did. As I mentioned numerous times, Rossi thought Simoncelli's dangerous riding was quite amusing, and did plenty to egg that on with his smirks and snickers at press conferences. Yet there he was at Sepang 2011. Plowing right into Simoncelli, ending his life. The lesson to be learned there, simply was not learned sadly.
Joined Oct 2015
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Texas
No, Marquez and his team made a stupid mistake, Rossi vindictively crashed someone out. Big ....... difference.
Nice try though.
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Texas
It was no mistake that Marquez refused to slow down after the chequered flag. Marquez didn't intend on crashing into Wilaroit the same way Rossi didn't intend for Marquez to crash after he decided to slow down and run him wide.
Marquez' recklessness resulted in the unintended consequence of a high-speed crash with Wilaroit nearly killing him.
Rossi's recklessness resulted in the unintended consequence of Marquez making contact and going down.
Not a big ....... difference when it comes to intent, but a huge ....... difference in the level of danger between the two incidents.
Of course you'll want to argue that Rossi did intend for Marquez to crash, but you only see what you want to see. There are far better ways to intentionally crash out another rider than to execute a slow, off-line, block pass while depending on your target rider to turn into you (hoping you don't go down as well).
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Lets not forget the fact that one crash was caused by a relative rookie to racing. Was it 125, or Moto2? What was he 16 or 17? Quite a big difference in experience between that and a 9 time champion, and 36 then? Yeah, it might be a good idea to weigh that into your equation MV.
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Texas
Point taken, but there's no rider that makes it to the Moto2 level and is ignorant to the danger of ignoring a chequered flag.
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A chequered flag only means the end of the session or race, nowhere is it written in the rules that I have seen does it state that a rider MUST slow down (let us just go with the letter of the rule, not what common sense and practice may dictate) so in essence he is under no written obligation to slow.
Now, before you ask ............. I said back when the incident happened and will say again ......... feather slaps do not a lesson teach.
All true and a good point, but at the same time they do not get as far as he had at the time without extensive experience in the various situations.
Call me a hard prick (and thus is not aimed at yourself) but at what point do we stop making the excuse of 'young and inexperienced' when so many of these kids of today have been racing at an extremely high level and with extreme intensity for so many years?
Marquez (as an example) may be young but his experience is likely far greater than that of Doohan, Rainey, Spencer etc at the same age (and maybe even Rossi as a lot of the intensity and opportunity came because of Rossi)
It ends the session and the rider is to return to the pits ............ those that I have seen (and they are not MotoGP rules) do not make it mandatory that a rider should slow (will check FIM rule book later)
It was once said to me that the reason why you often do not find the words 'must slow' in a rule book is that you cannot define slow in terms of an acceptable decrease in speed.
It does exist in regards to yellow flags and even then is ignored (it is not known as the catchup flag in car racing for no reason - another of my personal peeves as there is not enough attention bought to punish constant flag ignorers)
Edit. From page 49 of the FIM Rulebook - http://www.fim-live.com/en/sport/regulations-and-documents/grand-prix/
Chequered Black / White Flag
This flag will be waved at the finish line to indicate the finish of race or
practice session.
At a glance, below is the only mention of having to slow
Two yellow flags waved together at the flag marshal post indicate that
there is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track.
The riders must slow down and be prepared to stop. Overtaking is
forbidden up until the point where the green flag is waved.
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