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So you admit that failure to slow down during the "cool down" lap is dangerous, but don't think that has anything to do with MM receiving a penalty?

MV, let me ask this of you and a relatively easy YES or NO will suffice.

Do you believe with surety that Marquez (or any rider) would be penalised if he were to continue for the full lap, up until pit entry at or extremely close to race pace?

I will lead .............. nope.
 
Because it's unlikely to get you a clean lap...and it's dangerous. Which is what MM was penalised for. Not some speed limit thing.
What are you actually arguing about?

Real FIM rules vs wikipedia rules
 
Apologies as well, I edited the other post whilst you were quoting it.

You are correct (kind of) that by not including the comment it does not mean that riders should continue at top speed, but at the top level of sport and business it is well known that anything not sepcifically included is excluded and thus not bound by the rule, comment or contract - in short, it is a 'get out of jail' with a claim of ignorance (ie. no rule) which can then be covered by your favourite rule - rul 1.21 of the FIM Rule book, the real rules

2. Riders must ride in a responsible manner which does not cause danger to other competitors or participants, either on the track or in the pit-lane.
Any infringement of this rule will be penalised with one of the following


This, by the above rule Marquez can ride as hard as he wants provided it did not cause danger, which it did not until he came upon Willarott and impacted him. Thus the fact he had not slowed is not the issue, the fact he created a danger to Willarott is the issue and for which he got feathered.

Now, you can claim that to ride at top speed is irresponsible and I will counter by saying that it is situational awareness ....... if no riders are around then there is no harm but it is the awareness of the situation that Marquez lacked, which was (IMO) not due to the speed but due to him.

Again, the above rule is from the FIM rule book and can be found on page 44 (I have not yet found a definition of the various reckless etc as they may use dictionary definitions as some authorities will do)

Do you see anything in the FIM rulebook specifically prohibiting the use of firearms after the conclusion of a FP session? What about pipebombs? Personal aircraft on track? Drones? Rulebooks don't cover everything Gaz!

It is considered common knowledge to slow down on the "cool down" lap, and a common courtesy to not infringe on other riders and their safety.
 
MV, let me ask this of you and a relatively easy YES or NO will suffice.

Do you believe with surety that Marquez (or any rider) would be penalised if he were to continue for the full lap, up until pit entry at or extremely close to race pace?

I will lead .............. nope.

I think the rider may get called to RD for a verbal counseling. If they did it again, yes they would receive a penalty.
 
Do you see anything in the FIM rulebook specifically prohibiting the use of firearms after the conclusion of a FP session? What about pipebombs? Personal aircraft on track? Drones? Rulebooks don't cover everything Gaz!

Absolutely not, but they are prohibited by the rules of the locality in which the event is occurring thus your attempt fails as the FIM rules pertain to the event, not the location as even the FIM must adhere to the rules of the locality (one of the reasons cigarette advertising appears less and less now days)



It is considered common knowledge to slow down on the "cool down" lap, and a common courtesy to not infringe on other riders and their safety.

Not considered common knowledge, but an expected behaviour but even then, it is expected that it may rain at Silverstone but it does not always
 
I think the rider may get called to RD for a verbal counseling. If they did it again, yes they would receive a penalty.

I can tell you it does not happen.

Have seen it at National level (the only time I have seen action here was when a lap record got broken the lap AFTER a red flag) and know some Level 5 officials who work in the tower at international events in a few countries - it does not happen unless something occurs that increases the danger (as one of these people told me, so many of the riders are prats but if they place a flaggie in danger, then .... happens)
 
So you admit that failure to slow down during the "cool down" lap is dangerous, but don't think that has anything to do with MM receiving a penalty?

I didn't say that.

I thought you two were engaging in some semantics, but it seems you think MM was done for speeding, not hitting another rider?
There is no rule that says you must slow down. Instead, there is a reckless riding catch-all. Which is what MM got pinged for.
Ah, .... it.
(shoots microphone on console)
Boring conversation, anyway.

<bugger, need to find a Fleming reference>
 
I didn't say that.

I thought you two were engaging in some semantics, but it seems you think MM was done for speeding, not hitting another rider?
There is no rule that says you must slow down. Instead, there is a reckless riding catch-all. Which is what MM got pinged for.
Ah, .... it.
(shoots microphone on console)
Boring conversation, anyway.

<bugger, need to find a Fleming reference>

You got it in one.

One believes that MM was pinged in full or part due to his failure to slow where the second (although I am big enough to 1.5 people) believes that he was pinged for the impact/collision.
 
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There are a lot of things that riders can't/shouldn't do that aren't specifically spelled out in the rulebook!

Why should Marc slow down after the session? Because it is hazardous to continue at high speed since he is not the only rider on track. Continuing to ride at race speeds after the session is dangerous, reckless, and irresponsible and that's why he was penalized. There was nearly a fatality due to Marquez NOT slowing down after the session.

Does the same apply to qp? Often a pole lap is set after the flag drops.
 
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Does the same apply to qp? Often a pole lap is set after the flag drops.

To be fair to MV's point here if a rider has passed the chequered flag their time would not count towards a qualifying time however if that lap had been started prior to the chequer being shown then yep, it counts.

That said, your point is entirely correct as in essence the track remains live and a race track and as such a rider who may not have seen the chequer may still back off as they have used up their tyres or are happy with their lot in the world whereas the rider following may well be on their hot lap thus the slower rider may well cause an issue if they subsequently ride irresponsibly.

The thing is, in so many ways it is damned if you do, damned if you dont

Just playing devils here :D
 

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