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Someone said that PI will show how Suzuki are developing. Double podium boys that is how they are developing. I would have loved to have Melandri on the GSV-R next year. Then you would see some team competition. CV looks like he is stepping up and maybe as lead developer he will fine tune things to his specs and be a front runner.
Great race and kudos to Casey. Vales team let him down with an obsolete machine. They are paying so much now for not doing their homework in the last winter. Suzuki made their intentions very clear with the 990 engine last year and only Kawasaki paid attention. Honda also made a huge mistake coming with a lousy engine but at least they weren't stupid enough to try it in the last possible race you could close in on Casey. And the track was short so why a new motor? Stupid. The year for him is gone.
Well done Suzuki boys and team.
Great race and kudos to Casey. Vales team let him down with an obsolete machine. They are paying so much now for not doing their homework in the last winter. Suzuki made their intentions very clear with the 990 engine last year and only Kawasaki paid attention. Honda also made a huge mistake coming with a lousy engine but at least they weren't stupid enough to try it in the last possible race you could close in on Casey. And the track was short so why a new motor? Stupid. The year for him is gone.
Well done Suzuki boys and team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gsfan @ Sep 3 2007, 11:18 PM) [snapback]88530[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Someone said that PI will show how Suzuki are developing. Double podium boys that is how they are developing. I would have loved to have Melandri on the GSV-R next year. Then you would see some team competition. CV looks like he is stepping up and maybe as lead developer he will fine tune things to his specs and be a front runner.
Great race and kudos to Casey. Vales team let him down with an obsolete machine. They are paying so much now for not doing their homework in the last winter. Suzuki made their intentions very clear with the 990 engine last year and only Kawasaki paid attention. Honda also made a huge mistake coming with a lousy engine but at least they weren't stupid enough to try it in the last possible race you could close in on Casey. And the track was short so why a new motor? Stupid. The year for him is gone.
Well done Suzuki boys and team.
Give that man a cigar!
Great post gsfan... well thought through & very true...
Someone said that PI will show how Suzuki are developing. Double podium boys that is how they are developing. I would have loved to have Melandri on the GSV-R next year. Then you would see some team competition. CV looks like he is stepping up and maybe as lead developer he will fine tune things to his specs and be a front runner.
Great race and kudos to Casey. Vales team let him down with an obsolete machine. They are paying so much now for not doing their homework in the last winter. Suzuki made their intentions very clear with the 990 engine last year and only Kawasaki paid attention. Honda also made a huge mistake coming with a lousy engine but at least they weren't stupid enough to try it in the last possible race you could close in on Casey. And the track was short so why a new motor? Stupid. The year for him is gone.
Well done Suzuki boys and team.
Give that man a cigar!
Great post gsfan... well thought through & very true...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Sep 2 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]88400[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
stop_killing_dead_things, I would be more than happy for Portugal to be just like last year!
take that back!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 2 2007, 11:46 PM) [snapback]88430[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I THINK THIS RACE puts an end to mindless talk that vermuelun is only fast in the wet.
definately, chris rode an amazing race and confirmed what i had thought all along - he is a better rider than hopkins
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 3 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]88467[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
wasnt checa on michelins, was right up caparissi's ... all race
checa dropped off the back of capirossi a few laps from the end, but he did ride very well
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pirkkalan GP @ Sep 3 2007, 06:40 AM) [snapback]88472[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think the lack of setup time had a lot to do with these - certainly for Kallio, did you see the front chattering going into that corner?! he hadn't got it sorted in the time available. Also luhti was off track 3 times. Guess it's the same for everyone though.
definately, watching that KTM entering the corner it looked horrendous, still doesnt make it any easier watching him crash though.
stop_killing_dead_things, I would be more than happy for Portugal to be just like last year!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 2 2007, 11:46 PM) [snapback]88430[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I THINK THIS RACE puts an end to mindless talk that vermuelun is only fast in the wet.
definately, chris rode an amazing race and confirmed what i had thought all along - he is a better rider than hopkins
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Sep 3 2007, 05:47 AM) [snapback]88467[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
wasnt checa on michelins, was right up caparissi's ... all race
checa dropped off the back of capirossi a few laps from the end, but he did ride very well
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pirkkalan GP @ Sep 3 2007, 06:40 AM) [snapback]88472[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think the lack of setup time had a lot to do with these - certainly for Kallio, did you see the front chattering going into that corner?! he hadn't got it sorted in the time available. Also luhti was off track 3 times. Guess it's the same for everyone though.
definately, watching that KTM entering the corner it looked horrendous, still doesnt make it any easier watching him crash though.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Sep 3 2007, 02:32 PM) [snapback]88535[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
definately, chris rode an amazing race and confirmed what i had thought all along - he is a better rider than hopkins
Chris V could have stayed with Stoner had Hopper not slowed him down during the 1st 5 laps. Chris is a great great rider.
definately, chris rode an amazing race and confirmed what i had thought all along - he is a better rider than hopkins
Chris V could have stayed with Stoner had Hopper not slowed him down during the 1st 5 laps. Chris is a great great rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alex29 @ Sep 2 2007, 10:48 PM) [snapback]88416[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Its because his Ducati is kitt from Knight Rider (80'S TV series) which has artificial intelligence & rides itself.......
Look the ducati is a great bike but someone has to ride the bloody thing. I think he deserves some credit..
8 race wins
Couldn`t be simpler to understand
Its because his Ducati is kitt from Knight Rider (80'S TV series) which has artificial intelligence & rides itself.......
Look the ducati is a great bike but someone has to ride the bloody thing. I think he deserves some credit..
8 race wins
Couldn`t be simpler to understand
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Sep 2 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]88420[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Typical whinging poms ... you wouldn't know a good rider if you saw one ... probably because you don't ever see them in your country ... well none that hale from your shores!
Before anyone jumps down my throat ... I have every right to say that when ridiculous comments like these are posted here!
im being mature and biting my tong.
Typical whinging poms ... you wouldn't know a good rider if you saw one ... probably because you don't ever see them in your country ... well none that hale from your shores!
Before anyone jumps down my throat ... I have every right to say that when ridiculous comments like these are posted here!
im being mature and biting my tong.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 3 2007, 02:48 AM) [snapback]88483[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you find these races boring why do you bother watching them? Why don't you just appreciate a young rider having a spectacular season in only his second season in the top class or just "edited"!
I'll say it for the 3rd time this weekend, if you cant post opinions without having to post insults - go elsewhere please
You can appreciate something while still being bored, you know. Appreciation and respect aren't always going to equal interest. Personally, I was pissed off from the start when Hayden about jumped (or did jump) the start, and my mood got only fouler when RdP did his thing. Then Rossi's engine quit on him. I came into the race wanting to see how Hayden/Pedrosa did in comparison to each other and curious how Rossi's new engine might perform, in addition to watching the action in general. So after a few laps most everyone was spread out and the riders I was most interested in watching were out of it.
If you find these races boring why do you bother watching them? Why don't you just appreciate a young rider having a spectacular season in only his second season in the top class or just "edited"!
I'll say it for the 3rd time this weekend, if you cant post opinions without having to post insults - go elsewhere please
You can appreciate something while still being bored, you know. Appreciation and respect aren't always going to equal interest. Personally, I was pissed off from the start when Hayden about jumped (or did jump) the start, and my mood got only fouler when RdP did his thing. Then Rossi's engine quit on him. I came into the race wanting to see how Hayden/Pedrosa did in comparison to each other and curious how Rossi's new engine might perform, in addition to watching the action in general. So after a few laps most everyone was spread out and the riders I was most interested in watching were out of it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 2 2007, 10:39 AM) [snapback]88378[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ducati have patents in place that make Desmo valves essentially out of the question for other manufacturers. Pneumatics are the way forward.
Desmo has been around since the early 20th century (possibly slightly earlier). Ducati didn't invent desmo, they weren't even the first motorcycle manufacturer to use it. The Ducati Mark 3 350 was the first of their bikes to have desmo. The 350 was from the mid 60's I think.
Desmo is available to anyone who wants use it. Whether or not they can quickly engineer updates to the system that can match/exceed the four decades of research and development Ducati has invested is the question.
Ducati spends millions of dollars to hype the "myth" (haha that doesn't translate well, they mean the legend) of Ducati. A big part of that is making people believe desmo is a superior Ducati-only technology that no one understands or is competent enough to use. In reality, desmo and Ducati are more akin to rotary engines and Mazda.
On topic: CV is not as good as Hopkins, but he does have the potential to be as good or better. He is making vast improvements. You can tell he has been riding the bike a lot harder in the last 4-5 rounds and I am beginning to suspect a majority of his slow dry results are part of learning how to set a GP bike up and perhaps slight lack of team support.
He is making vast improvements. It is exciting because Suzu may actually be at a slight manufacturing advantage since they are 1 of 2 teams to run a v-4 every year since the 4 strokes were introduced. I'm expecting he'll have a good bike under him next year.
Ducati have patents in place that make Desmo valves essentially out of the question for other manufacturers. Pneumatics are the way forward.
Desmo is available to anyone who wants use it. Whether or not they can quickly engineer updates to the system that can match/exceed the four decades of research and development Ducati has invested is the question.
Ducati spends millions of dollars to hype the "myth" (haha that doesn't translate well, they mean the legend) of Ducati. A big part of that is making people believe desmo is a superior Ducati-only technology that no one understands or is competent enough to use. In reality, desmo and Ducati are more akin to rotary engines and Mazda.
On topic: CV is not as good as Hopkins, but he does have the potential to be as good or better. He is making vast improvements. You can tell he has been riding the bike a lot harder in the last 4-5 rounds and I am beginning to suspect a majority of his slow dry results are part of learning how to set a GP bike up and perhaps slight lack of team support.
He is making vast improvements. It is exciting because Suzu may actually be at a slight manufacturing advantage since they are 1 of 2 teams to run a v-4 every year since the 4 strokes were introduced. I'm expecting he'll have a good bike under him next year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 3 2007, 06:55 PM) [snapback]88590[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Desmo has been around since the early 20th century (possibly slightly earlier). Ducati didn't invent desmo, they weren't even the first motorcycle manufacturer to use it. The Ducati Mark 3 350 was the first of their bikes to have desmo. The 350 was from the mid 60's I think.
Desmo is available to anyone who wants use it. Whether or not they can quickly engineer updates to the system that can match/exceed the four decades of research and development Ducati has invested is the question.
Ducati spends millions of dollars to hype the "myth" (haha that doesn't translate well, they mean the legend) of Ducati. A big part of that is making people believe desmo is a superior Ducati-only technology that no one understands or is competent enough to use. In reality, desmo and Ducati are more akin to rotary engines and Mazda.
You have missed my point completyely, i know Ducati didn't invent desmo and i know they weren't the first to use it. I was just pointing out that other factories will almost certainly not be using them for as long as Ducati have the patents they do.
Desmo is available to anyone who wants use it. Whether or not they can quickly engineer updates to the system that can match/exceed the four decades of research and development Ducati has invested is the question.
Ducati spends millions of dollars to hype the "myth" (haha that doesn't translate well, they mean the legend) of Ducati. A big part of that is making people believe desmo is a superior Ducati-only technology that no one understands or is competent enough to use. In reality, desmo and Ducati are more akin to rotary engines and Mazda.
You have missed my point completyely, i know Ducati didn't invent desmo and i know they weren't the first to use it. I was just pointing out that other factories will almost certainly not be using them for as long as Ducati have the patents they do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bunyip @ Sep 3 2007, 02:44 AM) [snapback]88453[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dion, an4rew, whirlpool- whats the weather like on planet Rossi, coz you don,t seem to be existing in this world. I am stunned by the madness/ lunacy/illogicity (Ben please edit out any offensive words) of your statements. Even Tom had to make a timely reply. I just don,t understand the extraordinary bias behind such statements. When Rossi was winning, he had the best bike ,the best tyres and the best team manager. Yamaha was a challenge for Rossi that proved his greatness. Well how about a bit of recognition for Stoners efforts. He is not only winning, but making the rest of the field look second rate! The races are "boring" because nobody can challenge him in his current form. He is miles ahead of all 3 other ducatis. I am also curious as to how Melandri compares with him next year, but I suspect stoner will be more than a match for him also. It will also be interesting to see how capirossi goes compared with CV, because , if he is close, that will also reinforce Stoners greatness.
I know it can never happen, but i wouldn,t mind seeing Rossi and Stoner swap bikes for a race (giving them a week to get used to the different machines. I suspect the result would shock all you Stoner cynics.......
......or maybe get Ducati to produce 19 identical 800s on Bridgestones and have all the guys race together (like a r6 cup race). I know who my money would be on!
I dont think stoner is a rubbish rider im just saying he isnt great.8 wins (and more to come) is fantastic but can you see the speed difference???? I sure can and alot of people can.The bike is clearly faster and the team has done an amazing job of making that bike perfect for stoner.
Before anyone starts about Capa having the same bike but being crap,I believe it is because he is not the rider he used to be.He has a few good races a year and that just doesnt cut it.Maybe rossi has fell from grace and finally his time is up but we will have to wait and see about that one.The rest of this season will be testing for yama and they might even get another win before the end but I doubt it.
At least there is some justifcation for the winner this season and im glad it will be Stoner.He has been none stop with that AMAZING bike and the Best tyres out there.
Dion, an4rew, whirlpool- whats the weather like on planet Rossi, coz you don,t seem to be existing in this world. I am stunned by the madness/ lunacy/illogicity (Ben please edit out any offensive words) of your statements. Even Tom had to make a timely reply. I just don,t understand the extraordinary bias behind such statements. When Rossi was winning, he had the best bike ,the best tyres and the best team manager. Yamaha was a challenge for Rossi that proved his greatness. Well how about a bit of recognition for Stoners efforts. He is not only winning, but making the rest of the field look second rate! The races are "boring" because nobody can challenge him in his current form. He is miles ahead of all 3 other ducatis. I am also curious as to how Melandri compares with him next year, but I suspect stoner will be more than a match for him also. It will also be interesting to see how capirossi goes compared with CV, because , if he is close, that will also reinforce Stoners greatness.
I know it can never happen, but i wouldn,t mind seeing Rossi and Stoner swap bikes for a race (giving them a week to get used to the different machines. I suspect the result would shock all you Stoner cynics.......
......or maybe get Ducati to produce 19 identical 800s on Bridgestones and have all the guys race together (like a r6 cup race). I know who my money would be on!
I dont think stoner is a rubbish rider im just saying he isnt great.8 wins (and more to come) is fantastic but can you see the speed difference???? I sure can and alot of people can.The bike is clearly faster and the team has done an amazing job of making that bike perfect for stoner.
Before anyone starts about Capa having the same bike but being crap,I believe it is because he is not the rider he used to be.He has a few good races a year and that just doesnt cut it.Maybe rossi has fell from grace and finally his time is up but we will have to wait and see about that one.The rest of this season will be testing for yama and they might even get another win before the end but I doubt it.
At least there is some justifcation for the winner this season and im glad it will be Stoner.He has been none stop with that AMAZING bike and the Best tyres out there.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'> (Pirkkalan GP @ Sep 3 2007, 06:40 AM)
I think the lack of setup time had a lot to do with these - certainly for Kallio, did you see the front chattering going into that corner?! he hadn't got it sorted in the time available. Also luhti was off track 3 times. Guess it's the same for everyone though.
From what I heard from the commentators on BBCi Kallio's rear tyre punctured which is why the rear appeared to chatter before the front and then the highside was so horrendous. Certainly when he got it back to the pits everyone was clustered around a very flat looking rear.
I think the lack of setup time had a lot to do with these - certainly for Kallio, did you see the front chattering going into that corner?! he hadn't got it sorted in the time available. Also luhti was off track 3 times. Guess it's the same for everyone though.
From what I heard from the commentators on BBCi Kallio's rear tyre punctured which is why the rear appeared to chatter before the front and then the highside was so horrendous. Certainly when he got it back to the pits everyone was clustered around a very flat looking rear.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Sep 3 2007, 11:23 AM) [snapback]88601[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You have missed my point completyely, i know Ducati didn't invent desmo and i know they weren't the first to use it. I was just pointing out that other factories will almost certainly not be using them for as long as Ducati have the patents they do.
If they didn't invent it, they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
Like I said, it's similar to Mazda and the rotary engine. Mazda owns plenty of patents on rotary developments, but they can't stop people from using rotary technology altogether.
You have missed my point completyely, i know Ducati didn't invent desmo and i know they weren't the first to use it. I was just pointing out that other factories will almost certainly not be using them for as long as Ducati have the patents they do.
If they didn't invent it, they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
Like I said, it's similar to Mazda and the rotary engine. Mazda owns plenty of patents on rotary developments, but they can't stop people from using rotary technology altogether.
Re yamaka Yeah rear tyre puncture. Wasn't clear to me if that was the reason for highside or why he couldn't continue after getting back on - maybe me being dopey. He had said before the race that he had handling/front end problems. All i saw was front chatter, him go slightly wide then highside putting the power on too early. I will have to look for that rear end chatter again...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 3 2007, 08:17 PM) [snapback]88611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If they didn't invent it, then they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
It's the same thing as pneumatics. Renault developed it, other manufacturers make their own versions so they can use the technology without paying a patent holder.
Yes of course, but my understanding Ducati have patents on related technology that is essential to making a Desmo valves useful in a high performance bike engine. I would be very surprised if another factory spent the time and money on developing an alternative desmo system around these patents, pneumatics would be much easier to master.
If they didn't invent it, then they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
It's the same thing as pneumatics. Renault developed it, other manufacturers make their own versions so they can use the technology without paying a patent holder.
Yes of course, but my understanding Ducati have patents on related technology that is essential to making a Desmo valves useful in a high performance bike engine. I would be very surprised if another factory spent the time and money on developing an alternative desmo system around these patents, pneumatics would be much easier to master.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 3 2007, 08:17 PM) [snapback]88611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If they didn't invent it, they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
Like I said, it's similar to Mazda and the rotary engine. Mazda owns plenty of patents on rotary developments, but they can't stop people from using rotary technology altogether.
was reading this on wiki, thought it was interesting, seems desmotronics are a lot older than i thought.
Design and History
Fully controlled valve movement was thought of in the earliest days of engine development, but devising a system that worked reliably and was not overly complex took a long time. Desmodromic valve systems are first mentioned in patents in 1896 by Gustav Mees, and in 1907 the Aries is described as having a V4 engine with "desmodromique" valve actuation, but details are scarce. The 1914 Grand Prix Delage used a desmodromic valve system (quite unlike the present day Ducati system). [3]
Azzariti, a short lived Italian manufacturer from 1933 to 1934, produced 173 cc and 348 cc twin cylinder engines, some of which had desmodromic valve gear, with the valve being closed by a separate camshaft.[4]
The Mercedes-Benz 300SL sports racing car of 1952, the Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula One racing car of 1954-55, and the Mercedes-Benz 300SLR sports racing car of 1955 all had desmodromic valve actuation.
In 1956 Fabio Taglioni, a Ducati engineer, developed a desmodromic valve system for the Ducati 125 Grand Prix, creating the Ducati 125 Desmo.
He was quoted to say…
The specific purpose of the desmodromic system is to force the valves to comply with the timing diagram as consistently as possible. In this way, any lost energy is negligible, the performance curves are more uniform and dependability is better.
The engineers that came after him continued that development, and Ducati holds a number of patents relating to desmodromics. Desmodromic valve actuation has been applied to top-of-the-range production Ducati motorcycles since 1968, with the introduction of the "widecase" Mark 3 single cylinders.
If they didn't invent it, they don't own exclusive patents on the technology. There are plenty of desmo versions that have expired patents that anyone can use as a starting point. Whether or not they can be updated for MGP is the question.
Like I said, it's similar to Mazda and the rotary engine. Mazda owns plenty of patents on rotary developments, but they can't stop people from using rotary technology altogether.
was reading this on wiki, thought it was interesting, seems desmotronics are a lot older than i thought.
Design and History
Fully controlled valve movement was thought of in the earliest days of engine development, but devising a system that worked reliably and was not overly complex took a long time. Desmodromic valve systems are first mentioned in patents in 1896 by Gustav Mees, and in 1907 the Aries is described as having a V4 engine with "desmodromique" valve actuation, but details are scarce. The 1914 Grand Prix Delage used a desmodromic valve system (quite unlike the present day Ducati system). [3]
Azzariti, a short lived Italian manufacturer from 1933 to 1934, produced 173 cc and 348 cc twin cylinder engines, some of which had desmodromic valve gear, with the valve being closed by a separate camshaft.[4]
The Mercedes-Benz 300SL sports racing car of 1952, the Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula One racing car of 1954-55, and the Mercedes-Benz 300SLR sports racing car of 1955 all had desmodromic valve actuation.
In 1956 Fabio Taglioni, a Ducati engineer, developed a desmodromic valve system for the Ducati 125 Grand Prix, creating the Ducati 125 Desmo.
He was quoted to say…
The specific purpose of the desmodromic system is to force the valves to comply with the timing diagram as consistently as possible. In this way, any lost energy is negligible, the performance curves are more uniform and dependability is better.
The engineers that came after him continued that development, and Ducati holds a number of patents relating to desmodromics. Desmodromic valve actuation has been applied to top-of-the-range production Ducati motorcycles since 1968, with the introduction of the "widecase" Mark 3 single cylinders.
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Yeah rear tyre puncture. Wasn't clear to me if that was the reason for highside or why he couldn't continue after getting back on - maybe me being dopey. He had said before the race that he had handling/front end problems. All i saw was front chatter, him go slightly wide then highside putting the power on too early. I will have to look for that rear end chatter again...
I saw the front chatter, Kallio got off line (which many had said was very slippery) and high sided as soon as he opened the throttle. I was under the impression a puncture was a result of the crash not the cause of it.
Yeah rear tyre puncture. Wasn't clear to me if that was the reason for highside or why he couldn't continue after getting back on - maybe me being dopey. He had said before the race that he had handling/front end problems. All i saw was front chatter, him go slightly wide then highside putting the power on too early. I will have to look for that rear end chatter again...
I saw the front chatter, Kallio got off line (which many had said was very slippery) and high sided as soon as he opened the throttle. I was under the impression a puncture was a result of the crash not the cause of it.
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As usual, a fun read. Sometimes I post first then read the threads, but this time I decided to read the thread first then post. It seems funnier this way, because I get to read all the self-appointed-keepers-of-rider-esteem whining about "respecting the riders" and people's feathers getting all ruffled over whether somebody is "good" or "great", oh and the chastising is always very entertaining. Sorry Ben, if I make any steps toward the "mod whining bin" today. Grow some skin people! Jesus Christ.
Anyway, here is my take of the race: Ah ....!
Dickpuniet ...... up, as usual, (I don't have to respect a rider if I don't want to, so if you don't like it, bite me.) I guess the only thing his team has to look forward to is, it worked for Stoner.
Stoner isn't good or great! He's fast. (confused?)
Hayden is the luckiest man on the planet. (Oh, that was just last year).
Pedrobot's reaction? Please. As if he's in a championship hunt. (whine to somebody that cares, perhaps some on this forum can stroke you, since they're so obsessed with rider "respect".) Anyway, that sucks for him cuz this is the 2nd time he's been in a similar melee this season.
I'm a Hopkins fan. But I was disappointed. I'm not the type to blame a tire, so I'll leave that to the ample apologists. Nice podium, but you got to beat your teammate.
Vermolen, yeah, kiss the wet specialist-only tag goodbye.
Melandri and Elias-what a joy.
Anyway, here is my take of the race: Ah ....!
Dickpuniet ...... up, as usual, (I don't have to respect a rider if I don't want to, so if you don't like it, bite me.) I guess the only thing his team has to look forward to is, it worked for Stoner.
Stoner isn't good or great! He's fast. (confused?)
Hayden is the luckiest man on the planet. (Oh, that was just last year).
Pedrobot's reaction? Please. As if he's in a championship hunt. (whine to somebody that cares, perhaps some on this forum can stroke you, since they're so obsessed with rider "respect".) Anyway, that sucks for him cuz this is the 2nd time he's been in a similar melee this season.
I'm a Hopkins fan. But I was disappointed. I'm not the type to blame a tire, so I'll leave that to the ample apologists. Nice podium, but you got to beat your teammate.
Vermolen, yeah, kiss the wet specialist-only tag goodbye.
Melandri and Elias-what a joy.
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Yes of course, but my understanding Ducati have patents on related technology that is essential to making a Desmo valves useful in a high performance bike engine. I would be very surprised if another factory spent the time and money on developing an alternative desmo system around these patents, pneumatics would be much easier to master.
Well, I guess if we debate long enough we'll find common ground
Given current engineering paradigms, this is definitely true. A paradigm shift provided by some unconventional desmo guru is the only way another factory will implement the technology. It seems unlikely.
Pneumatics is new to motogp, so teams just now implementing the technology won't be as far behind. However, I'm not convinced pneumatics is the way forward for motorcylce design, but time will tell. Unfortunately, I already know time will probably shine on pneumatics because 4 behemoths are developing it, but that's life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Vermolen, yeah, kiss the wet specialist-only tag goodbye.
So you only need 3 good performances over the course of 2 years to be good in the dry. You're nuts!!!! So by that logic someone who wins three times over the course of two years must be a winner?!
Uh oh, sounds like some CV loving Australians are going to have to eat some humble pie
Yes of course, but my understanding Ducati have patents on related technology that is essential to making a Desmo valves useful in a high performance bike engine. I would be very surprised if another factory spent the time and money on developing an alternative desmo system around these patents, pneumatics would be much easier to master.
Well, I guess if we debate long enough we'll find common ground
Pneumatics is new to motogp, so teams just now implementing the technology won't be as far behind. However, I'm not convinced pneumatics is the way forward for motorcylce design, but time will tell. Unfortunately, I already know time will probably shine on pneumatics because 4 behemoths are developing it, but that's life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Vermolen, yeah, kiss the wet specialist-only tag goodbye.
So you only need 3 good performances over the course of 2 years to be good in the dry. You're nuts!!!! So by that logic someone who wins three times over the course of two years must be a winner?!
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