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I have to call BS on anyone who believes this, if the Yamaha had more power we would be seeing Jlo putting up a better title defense. I can only hope that yamaha is going to turn up the wick on their engines and gamble with reliability to get Jlo to the front as the season comes to the end.
Sorry, when re-reading , I realised I misinterpreted what you said. Iiiiigggit!
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Are you serious....really......so only Stoner (the best rider in the world, and the greatest of all time) can pull off these moves and his are the only ones we are allowed the post about??? Get your head out of your ... Kesh....really....this powerslide Boner fest is ridiculous
Dani's move meant he took Stoner off line on the inside at more than 265Kph into that corner....it was very, very, brave and a fantastic move.....just cause he took Nicky out in 06...doesn't mean you can't give him credit
So yeah...Boners...what happen to Stoner then? After all he could win races this year on Karels bike...no problems right?....so how come he didn't wipe the field on the Factory Repsol Honda then? Tired? really? Surely he could do it in his sleep anyway? How come Dani and Jorge weren't tired? Dani's still recovering from horrendous injuries and Jorge from his Highside at Laguna.....
I'll bite lol!
At least he manned up and didn't blame the bike. And what horrendous injury has Danny had?
And judging by Rossis performance if Rossi got up to 5th on the Ducati I'm sure Casey would have lapped the entire field! ; )
(For those not quick on the uptake don't take this to seriously!)
Cheers
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I didn't find the race boring, it had tactics at front and battle right behind, not boring.....but i sure didn't enjoy it.
1rst: as how the race was evolving i could see a bad ending, witch i was right + i also had to go to work.
2nd Angel nieto just plain ruined the rest for me, all he kept saying over & over & over again was: I hope Pedrosa can stick a wheel to Stoner and take his second position, over & over until he got the 2nd position, then it was: only 35 points, only 35 points only 35 points and an occasional: If Ben Spies would of done better at the start he could of got Stoner off the podium.
I find it un believable how bad of a comentator he is and how biased he thinks and also talks.
1rst: as how the race was evolving i could see a bad ending, witch i was right + i also had to go to work.
2nd Angel nieto just plain ruined the rest for me, all he kept saying over & over & over again was: I hope Pedrosa can stick a wheel to Stoner and take his second position, over & over until he got the 2nd position, then it was: only 35 points, only 35 points only 35 points and an occasional: If Ben Spies would of done better at the start he could of got Stoner off the podium.
I find it un believable how bad of a comentator he is and how biased he thinks and also talks.
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If that's true, it's not so good. It's one thing for fans to be biased but you hope that your commentators aren't or if they are a little biased, at least be professional about it when carrying out their duties.
So yeah...Boners...what happen to Stoner then? After all he could win races this year on Karels bike...no problems right?....so how come he didn't wipe the field on the Factory Repsol Honda then? Tired? really? Surely he could do it in his sleep anyway? How come Dani and Jorge weren't tired? Dani's still recovering from horrendous injuries and Jorge from his Highside at Laguna.....
Because jorge lorenzo is very good, as he demonstrated against a fully fit valentino rossi on the same bike in 2009, when he stayed closer to rossi than he has been to stoner for much of this season, and also won several races. He wouldn't be within coo-ee of stoner now except for the antics of one v.rossi at jerez this year.
No rider, even valentino rossi and mick doohan in their best years on indisputably dominant equipment wins every race in any case. As valentino does with riding ducatis, Stoner has a weakness in his riding anyway; he can't ride/set up his bike for the soft bridgestone, or perhaps rather make it last to the end of a race, and to my recollection has never won a race on that tyre.
I actually don't like honda all that much per se, but this is pure whinging , something you show little reluctance to accuse others of doing. Yamaha have won 5 of the last 7 world championships, what's the big deal about honda winning one, other than it involving a rider you don't like if it occurs?
As bass pete said on another recent thread, if mike hailwood was still racing and the beatles were still together things might be different as well. The hrc bikes weren't exactly blasting past jorge on the straights at misano anyway. You pays your money and you takes your choice.
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Hawk its a compromise. The Yamaha is relatively well mannered and puts the power down without excessive wheel spin and tyre wear due to the big bang I4 layout. Turning up the wick wont necessarily make it better. It will probably never match the output of a V4 screamer as in the Honda. The screamer has its own issues, they need hard tyres for one. They need a well rested non-jetlagged rider for another ha ha. Interesting to see the Honda didnt manage to ride itself to victory. I figured Stoner was simply the autopilot? As you say so much for the Honda tyre conspiracy theory. Lorenzo indicated his improvement this race came purely from finding the right set up. Jlo showed what he's made of and good on him!
Talps, seriously mate, your hatred of all things Honda at the moment (which lately has a relationship elsewhere but to be fair you have been stridently critical of the big H for some time) has now gone over the top with this kind of suggested conspiracy theory (IMO) as it seriously has some flaws in that Honda have suffered as well with tyres during 2011.
For my way of thinking however, one of your other more often raised (criticised) points is likely having a larger contribution although I do have a theory. To me, I would not be surprised at all if Bridgestone have been working on developing tyres for the 2012 1000cc machines and with the restricted test times (which also affects the bikes - another of your pet peeves) have instead started using (testing?) some of the variations in compound and construction during the 2011 season and we are now seeing the results.
Yes it is true (if my memory serves correct) that some 2012 tyres were said to have been tested at the 1000cc tests earlier in the season, but what is to say that Bridgestone have not continued to develop and test?
Afterall one must remember that with mechanicals one can test and develop but it is far harder with tyres to even get close to replication of a race situation without using the racers (at least with the bikes you can get within a few seconds generally speaking).
I like Dove and have been critical of Simoncelli, but were I Honda (which I sure am not) I would likely go Simoncelli as well for much the same reasoning you suggest - he has that factor.
Gaz
I always find the conspiracy theories people come up with hilarious. The Honda ones especially seem to only apply in the years Rossi wasn't riding there. And the best ones are the Hayden ones where apparently no matter where he goes he gets shafted and held back, the people that push those theories must think Hayden is either a ...... or a total ....., i don't think he's either.
Yes all very valid points....however there have been some very strange inconsistencies this season with Rubber you have to admit.....to me it also seemed interesting that as soon as lots of complaints started Bridgestone all of a sudden reacted and brought out a single variation.
It has been my pet ..... this...always...I've never thought that the Sole Tyre supplier was a good idea in Motogp...and even worse I've always felt that Bridgestone were the wrong choice to be this supplier....lets face it...other than 2007-08 their record in the sport is pretty abysmal, they had the ... handed to them every other year by Michelin and then some....supply rule changes were the only thing that saved them...once again restrictive and 'cost saving' just as the 800's were supposed to be 'safer'.....
This type of rubber restriction simply doesn't suit a prototype racing series, its completely against the philosophy of what it should be...as is with Ducati now...they have to copy what everyone else is doing to compete with a very limiting tyre choice of 2-3 compounds constructions that just won't work well enough for them....hardly allowing for innovation
Do not disagree and would say that the only consistency is their inconsistency, but to me that does not mean a conspiracy but is a sign of something else, maybe malaise or maybe having lost direction as they no longer have to concentrate on one rider/style/bike?
I cannot recall your thoughts in here with regards to the single tyre supplier but there were many who feel the same as you and I was one as my main concern was the direction of development and where the feedback would come from and to what priority levels.
My concern was would we see a tyre developed for a small narrow band of situation or see a more 'widespread' use tyre - over time it seems we have neither but have instead 'chinese lucky dip tyre selection' that is affecting results (although what impact the fuel restriction has is another factor).
When the discussion first arose I remember suggesting Cheng Shin tyres as they had no MGP experience, sadly that thought did not take off but we may well have them anyway
Exactly.
Sad really isn't it that the sport has become this?
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Do not disagree and would say that the only consistency is their inconsistency, but to me that does not mean a conspiracy but is a sign of something else, maybe malaise or maybe having lost direction as they no longer have to concentrate on one rider/style/bike?
I cannot recall your thoughts in here with regards to the single tyre supplier but there were many who feel the same as you and I was one as my main concern was the direction of development and where the feedback would come from and to what priority levels.
My concern was would we see a tyre developed for a small narrow band of situation or see a more 'widespread' use tyre - over time it seems we have neither but have instead 'chinese lucky dip tyre selection' that is affecting results (although what impact the fuel restriction has is another factor).
When the discussion first arose I remember suggesting Cheng Shin tyres as they had no MGP experience, sadly that thought did not take off but we may well have them anyway
Exactly.
Sad really isn't it that the sport has become this?
Gaz
Good posts both of you. Very refreshing
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im gonna try and watch the race again cause i found it boring sept the last couple laps but that was for 4th so meh.
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This post brought me out of retirment from this thread. The Yamaha has enuf power. As good to better in handling to boot. The difference is NOT power at all, but Casey is just a better rider period. Eliminate Casey and Yamaha wins another title (that would be all of them since 07). Hawk, my friend, i feel u still havent learned the lessons of 2011. Its tge same with Casey at Ducati, eliminate Stoner and Ducati is ....--something only now the "fans" and "experts" are discovering. (Apart from other lesson, particularly, minor package disadvantages make big differences in results).
Yamaha have plenty enuf power. Lorenzo put up a good fight this race despite considerable pressure from Stoner in first laps. If Stoner had employed the Rossi school of racecraft, that is bonsai infront and disrupt Lorenzo, he may have won race.
Take a look again at the races shots where they show Stoner & Lorenzo coming into the corner, tell me, which bike is more stable? Does stability not trump whatever power difference u think exists?
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But you were totally on board for Rossi dumping Michelin and getting the Bridgestone. I guess if it had stayed just Rossi and or Ducati using them, you would be tickled to death.That is till they didnt suit him any longer
But you were totally on board for Rossi dumping Michelin and getting the Bridgestone. I guess if it had stayed just Rossi and or Ducati using them, you would be tickled to death.That is till they didnt suit him any longer
Rossi did what he did to become competitive again under very new, and very restrictive tyre supply regs that essentially made Michelin, and their approach, uncompetitive.....if these restrictions weren't put in place, Michelin would have continued to dominate and Rossi or Dani would not have switched. I don't blame Rossi for it as it proved to be hugely successful and the right move (unlike some of his more recent decisions!)
I actually wasn't on board for him dumping Michelin at all, I feel for Michelin as their financial management let them down in the end.....IMO they were far more in-tune with this type Motorcycle racing than Bridgestone ever were, and had they had the resources to continue or at least put a tender app in for the sole supplier rights, then it could have been a far different story......
As we are seeing now, Bridgestone is providing 2-3 choices all that work in a very similar and narrow range.......typical of what they have always done. The sport needs to be opened up to competition once again....only this time the supply restriction needs to be lifted.....there is no doubt that Dorna and the MSMA's cost cutting measures have all only proved to do the opposite.....what harm could be done by letting the teams and riders have the choice of rubber, which is being constantly developed for a motorcycle....not the other and more costly way around.
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