Losail Tests

MigsAngel · Mar 13, 2011

Jumkie said:
The tone of that surely sounds like its being test for Rossi and modified with him in mind. Nice to have the test monkey doing all the leg work for the single factory Ducati rider. Yes, you heard it here first, Ducati has ONE factory rider with a testing rider in house. Make no mistake, there are NOT two factory riders, simply compare this tone with the Stoner/Pedro tandem. You guys can add that to the list of advantages, no other factory riders have their own personal tester in the garage.

LOL....I like it...

Not that anyone should be shocked that Ducati would be looking to build the Duke with Rossi in mind instead of Hayden in mind... I am however worried about Valentino's prospects this year given his less than stellar pace. Either way, it comes down to race day and Vale and Burgess do always seem to find a way to be successful....

And hello again everyone...

michaelm · Mar 13, 2011

MigsAngel said:
Either way, it comes down to race day and Vale and Burgess do always seem to find a way to be successful....

And hello again everyone...

Sure, rossi is rossi. But early in the season at least I think any success he has will be despite rather than because of the bike, and I have long been a ducatista.

Anders · Mar 14, 2011

gui22a said:
yeah but it seemed to be a more consistent bike, much less problematic.

Well, I'd like to know if there is a place where we can check all the lap times. I'd like to know Rossi's average on his longest run.

Me too.We'll see after today maybe www.gpone.com will post something like they did in Sepang,I'm guessing he'll be around half a second off Stoner/Lorenzo/Spies/Pedrosa.A little closer than the first day anyway.

Anders · Mar 14, 2011

SuperShinya56 said:
I swear if I hear one more mention of Nicky "The Kentucky Squid" Hayden just one more time........... .

He will never be anyone worth mentioning in MotoGP after he hangs up his helmet, heck he's not even worth mentioning as it is at the moment so just drop it please, dammit. I know how the human psyche works.... you guys root for the under achiever cuz it makes YOU feel good and fuzzy inside because of your sympathy for the poor chap. But seriously, enough already.

If you know how human phyche works,maybe you would understand you can be a million times more subtile and still get your point though.

I agree with you on Hiroshi Aoyama is maybe underrated by some and has got a hell of a tallent though.

Tom · Mar 14, 2011

From day 1 there doesn't seem too much to talk about. Rossi is closer still and even though there is clearly a way to go, as long as he keeps making progress i get more and more sure he'll make it eventually to the leaders. Aoyama seems to have had a good day, which i find very exciting. It will be facinating to watch the Gresini team battle if they have similar equipment/Aoyama can keep this pace up, they aren't exactly friends in there.

Also i see some debate over wether Rossi 'lost the front' or just ran on at a corner. I don't see that it matters, he didn't have the confidence to even try getting around the corner. No big deal though it happens to them all sometimes regardless of bike, if it repeats then it'll worth talking about.

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

Tom said:
From day 1 there doesn't seem too much to talk about. Rossi is closer still and even though there is clearly a way to go, as long as he keeps making progress i get more and more sure he'll make it eventually to the leaders. Aoyama seems to have had a good day, which i find very exciting. It will be facinating to watch the Gresini team battle if they have similar equipment/Aoyama can keep this pace up, they aren't exactly friends in there.

Also i see some debate over wether Rossi 'lost the front' or just ran on at a corner. I don't see that it matters, he didn't have the confidence to even try getting around the corner. No big deal though it happens to them all sometimes regardless of bike, if it repeats then it'll worth talking about.

Exactly.

His progress from Valencia and Sepang is climbing steady, as I said previous his deficit the the leaders at Sepang was 1.8 seconds, and he has trimmed that back by over a second..... progress? Most Certainly. As have the others including Nicky. So the changes being implemented are obviously improving the bike for the majority. Most level-headed folk never doubted that this would eventuate.

Yamaha have also come along considerably since Sepang, with Jorge and Ben improving the deficit to the Honda's by a second also. Aoyama's pace is actually very surprising, especially considering Marco's lack-of in comparison to Sepang.

michaelm · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
Exactly.

His progress from Valencia and Sepang is climbing steady, as I said previous his deficit the the leaders at Sepang was 1.8 seconds, and he has trimmed that back by over a second..... progress? Most Certainly. As have the others including Nicky. So the changes being implemented are obviously improving the bike for the majority. Most level-headed folk never doubted that this would eventuate.

Yamaha have also come along considerably since Sepang, with Jorge and Ben improving the deficit to the Honda's by a second also. Aoyama's pace is actually very surprising, especially considering Marco's lack-of in comparison to Sepang.

This sounds like a lot to conclude from only the 1st day of a 2 day test (to paraphrase you from the sepang test threads)

.

All banter (well meaning or not) and paying off old scores aside, I think there are very few who now or ever would have seriously considered that valentino rossi will be running 7th or 8th, or 2 seconds off stoner's times, when it counts, he is rather good. The point (s) from your opponents which include me on this matter is whether the 2010 ducati which forms the basis of what valentino has had to work with was flawed, if flawed whether the flaws were easily fixable as jerry burgess fairly definitely implied, and whether stoner's riding of it was deficient as valentino very definitely said . I don't think any of these matters are yet resolved, particularly with the first day fastest test time 0.9 seconds off stoner's fastest test time and fastest race lap last year, and with another half a second to go after that to his 2010 pole time. I actually think valentino was possibly right that stoner did stop pushing as hard for a time after his early season offs last year, but valentino rather seems to have changed his tune from stoner not pushing hard enough last year to a fairly strong implication that he was a madman for pushing as hard as he did.

As an aside I think it is ludicrous that with such limited pre-season testing this exercise purports to be real testing; I believe it is extra practice for the qatar race so that dorna are not embarrassed by too many crashes in their dew-challenged night escapade, of less relevance now that the qatar round starting 3 days later is a 4 day event, and of little relevance in sorting out the bikes for the rest of the year's racing.

Bunyip · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
Exactly.

His progress from Valencia and Sepang is climbing steady, as I said previous his deficit the the leaders at Sepang was 1.8 seconds, and he has trimmed that back by over a second..... progress? Most Certainly. As have the others including Nicky. So the changes being implemented are obviously improving the bike for the majority. Most level-headed folk never doubted that this would eventuate.

Yamaha have also come along considerably since Sepang, with Jorge and Ben improving the deficit to the Honda's by a second also. Aoyama's pace is actually very surprising, especially considering Marco's lack-of in comparison to Sepang.

Rossi is already on the limit while Yamaha and Honda pilots are just playing around. By tomorrow they will be 1.5 secs plus ahead.

Just keep hoping Talpa...................its all you can do.

PS. Either the magic Honda gearbox isn,t as big an advantage as some think, or the Yamahs really are the best balanced bike. Whatever the reason , it makes for close racing, which is all good................unless you are on a Ducati.

Mental Anarchist · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
Exactly.

His progress from Valencia and Sepang is climbing steady, as I said previous his deficit the the leaders at Sepang was 1.8 seconds, and he has trimmed that back by over a second..... progress? Most Certainly. As have the others including Nicky. So the changes being implemented are obviously improving the bike for the majority. Most level-headed folk never doubted that this would eventuate.

Yamaha have also come along considerably since Sepang, with Jorge and Ben improving the deficit to the Honda's by a second also. Aoyama's pace is actually very surprising, especially considering Marco's lack-of in comparison to Sepang.

His progress came from dialing in Stoners settings from 2010. Interesting that they have done all this work but are slow then dial in Stoner's setting to "progress" as you say.

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
His progress came from dialing in Stoners settings from 2010. Interesting that they have done all this work but are slow then dial in Stoner's setting to "progress" as you say.

haven't read this one yet, link please?

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

michaelm said:
This sounds like a lot to conclude from only the 1st day of a 2 day test (to paraphrase you from the sepang test threads)

.

considered that valentino rossi will be running 7th or 8th, or 2 seconds off stoner's times, when it counts, he is rather good.

As an aside I think it is ludicrous that with such limited pre-

season testing this exercise purports to be real testing; I believe

it is extra practice for the qatar race so that dorna are not

embarrassed by too many crashes in their dew-challenged night escapade, of less relevance now that the qatar round starting 3

days later is a 4 day event, and of little relevance in sorting out

the bikes for the rest of the year's racing.

Of course I'm only reflecting here what I've always said, that progress will come, maybe even faster than most thought.

JBs comments were about a specific issue that he referenced in relation to the satelite riders, which he then said could be fixed

in 80 seconds with VR. Nothing to do with curing the Ducati in

that time frame at all. The comments have been predominantely

blown out of all proportion by haters and boners, most of which

completely misquoted or misunderstood the comments. The fact

that these punters were willing to believe that the best chief

mechanic in the game would be silly enough to utter what they

claim is laughable. Whats Even funnier is that JB made the comments on live television in aust, meaning that most who detracted from him didn't even see it and were using second hand info......

Even Casey agrees with my recent posts about the pre season tests, mostly about the lack of variety in location and conditions. The night race is a gimmick and whilst this test is vital for round 1, the data obtained is very specific and more than likely not much use anywhere else, combine this with two tests at the one track which is thousands of kilometres closer to the equator than any other circuit and you couldn't get a more limited testing schedule.

BarryMachine · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
haven't read this one yet, link please?

"Instead, Valentino Rossi has gone back to the setup used by Casey Stoner for the race in 2010, as they work to figure out a base setup, and a starting point for their adjustments."

Google that

Bunyip · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
Of course I'm only reflecting here what I've always said, that progress will come, maybe even faster than most thought.

JBs comments were about a specific issue that he referenced in relation to the satelite riders, which he then said could be fixed in 80 seconds with VR. Nothing to do with curing the Ducati in that time frame at all. The comments have been predominantely blown out of all proportion by haters and boners, most of which completely misquoted or misunderstood the comments. The fact that these punters were willing to believe that the best chief mechanic in the game would be silly enough to utter what they claim is laughable. Even funnier is that JB made the comments on live television in aust, meaning that most who detracted from him didn't even see it and were using second hand info......

Even Casey agrees with my recent posts about the pre season tests, mostly about the lack of variety in location and conditions. The night race is a gimmick and whilst this test is vital for round 1, the data obtained is very specific and more than likely not much use anywhere else, combine this with two tests at the one track which is thousands of kilometres closer to the equator than any other circuit and you couldn't get a more limited testing schedule.

Geez, you,ve got an ego Talpa...................Casey logs into powerslide to read your posts between his lap sessions.

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

Bunyip said:
Geez, you,ve got an ego Talpa...................Casey logs into powerslide to read your posts between his lap sessions.

From Crash net

Casey Stoner

“I am very excited, because we spent many days training, but that is not the ideal situation, as during the pre-season we don't have a wide variety of circuits. Nevertheless, the races are finally approaching and I am looking forward to see how we perform with this team, how I work with the bike on the circuit and, above all, which is the general level for everyone."

I thought you would be hanging off every word old man, but then I forgot you were too busy inciting similar viewpoints to your own on another rider.........

Bunyip · Mar 14, 2011

A more appropriate response was to say that your opinions concurred; making references to your posts was egocentric. That was my point.

A diificult concept for some..........................

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

BarryMachine said:
"Instead, Valentino Rossi has gone back to the setup used by Casey Stoner for the race in 2010, as they work to figure out a base setup, and a starting point for their adjustments."

Google that

Well that says it all, I'd imagine this how they've started all of the tests, as Stoner was consistently the fastest Ducati, his data is most relevant. I would certainly imagine that the setting has changed fairly dramatically from Stoners base to the end of the day, A- to suit VR's differing style, and of course, B- to avoid a similar outcome for the No 1 Duck in this years race....

Talpa · Mar 14, 2011

Bunyip said:
A more appropriate response was to say that your opinions concurred; making references to your posts was egocentric. That was my point.

A diificult concept for some..........................

Egocentric? Coming from the one who feels the need to prematurely and negatively determine the state of the Legacy of a person he doesn't even know.........this is rich even for you.

The difficult thing for you is that you didn't get the rather obvious satire in this particular statement, so I'll help you out.......Casey.......agreeing with me!!! How preposterous!

Keshav · Mar 14, 2011

SuperShinya56 said:
I swear if I hear one more mention of Nicky "The Kentucky Squid" Hayden just one more time........... .

esco · Mar 14, 2011

Talpa said:
Egocentric? Coming from the one who feels the need to prematurely and negatively determine the state of the Legacy of a person he doesn't even know.........this is rich even for you.

The difficult thing for you is that you didn't get the rather obvious satire in this particular statement, so I'll help you out.......Casey.......agreeing with me!!! How preposterous!

Ouch!!

Hope the rest can catch up to the Gondas.

povol · Mar 14, 2011

SuperShinya56 said:
I swear if I hear one more mention of Nicky "The Kentucky Squid" Hayden just one more time........... .

He will never be anyone worth mentioning in MotoGP after he hangs up his helmet, heck he's not even worth mentioning as it is at the moment so just drop it please, dammit. I know how the human psyche works.... you guys root for the under achiever cuz it makes YOU feel good and fuzzy inside because of your sympathy for the poor chap. But seriously, enough already.

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