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GP12 tested today at Jerez

So it appears that Ducati have broken the gentleman's agreement in regards to testing. As Lex said they are allowed to test a bike that would not be eligible to race. So a simple change of some minor part making the bike illegal allows them to test. The gentleman's agreement between manufacturer's is to not use this loop hole. Ducati have decided to not abide by this gentleman's agreement.



As I said before the start of the season in response to a 'who is under the most pressure?' thread. Ducati are under enormous pressure, so much so that they are prepared to break a good faith agreement between the manufacturer's.



In my opinion there is no honour in this behaviour and there will be no honour in any wins that come as a result of it.



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168198/1/why_rossi_and_hayden_can_test.html
 
The reality is that Ducati has probably got the go-ahead from the other manufacturers for the Rossi/Hayden 1000cc test, and the MSMA (manufacturers' association) may even have already agreed to a certain number of such extra track days to develop next year's bikes.
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They're probably testing stuff applicable to the current bike, but how's anybody going to prove it?



Innocent till proven guilty imo.
 
I actually find it hard to believe the other manufacturer's would give the go ahead to Ducati. Neither Honda or Yamaha have to reinvent their respective and metaphoric wheels for this season or next and therefore have no real need to have the factory riders carrying out extra test days. So why would they assist Ducati and Rossi to fix this years bike or get a jump on next years bike? Why would Honda give the go ahead especially after Rossi just took out the guy they hired to win the last 800cc Championship? These are companies that make rules to increase cost exponentially in order to keep other manufacturer's out.
 
Nino said:
They're probably testing stuff applicable to the current bike, but how's anybody going to prove it?



Innocent till proven guilty imo.
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It is not about innocent or not. It is about the spirit of the competition, something that Rossi seems to care little about.



I would suggest that Ducati just instigated a testing war that they do not have the funds to win.



It would appear that they could be proven guilty sent to jail and given the electric chair and it would have little impact on the ability of you and yours to come up with some reason why it is not true.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
It is not about innocent or not. It is about the spirit of the competition, something that Rossi seems to care little about.



I would suggest that Ducati just instigated a testing war that they do not have the funds to win.



It would appear that they could be proven guilty sent to jail and given the electric chair and it would have little impact on the ability of you and yours to come up with some reason why it is not true.
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Oh I see Rossi is at the middle of this - not Ducati. And Hayden is just a poor victim.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
So it appears that Ducati have broken the gentleman's agreement in regards to testing. As Lex said they are allowed to test a bike that would not be eligible to race. So a simple change of some minor part making the bike illegal allows them to test. The gentleman's agreement between manufacturer's is to not use this loop hole. Ducati have decided to not abide by this gentleman's agreement.



As I said before the start of the season in response to a 'who is under the most pressure?' thread. Ducati are under enormous pressure, so much so that they are prepared to break a good faith agreement between the manufacturer's.



In my opinion there is no honour in this behaviour and there will be no honour in any wins that come as a result of it.



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168198/1/why_rossi_and_hayden_can_test.html
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GET A LIFE
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You are bordering on paranoia...
 
Also worth adding that in the past five years Honda have thrown loads of money at trying to win the title.



Plus they have four factory riders - so what does Ducati have to lose? They're already being heavily outspent by Honda, the difference now is that they have the input of Rossi and Burgess, to go with what they already have.
 
Nino said:
Oh I see Rossi is at the middle of this - not Ducati. And Hayden is just a poor victim.
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I constantly refer to Ducati and then mention Rossi once and this is what you grab hold of? Why don't you try to argue against my points?



And yes, Hayden is a poor victim. He has gone from an equal rider when partnered with Stoner to Rossi's test ..... just like the last American test ..... that Rossi had.
 
Oniker said:
I called it a Yamacati partly taking the piss but more to the point the swingarm plus side exit exhaust bears a resemblance to the M1,comparisons are inevitable. . . . Will these mods end up on the GP11?
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Why not. These are all ordinary solutions, nothing special or patented in them. Every manufacturer is free to implement them in their bikes whenever they want. Of course they can take advantage of the 1000cc testing time to test solutions like this that can be transferred also on the 2011 bike -- no problem since all manufacturers can do exactly the same. The gentlemen agreement tries to circumvent stupid testing limitations for ALL manufacturers, not just for Ducati... If the "gentlemen" agree, why should one complain? Not to mention that the usefulness of this testing for the 800s is anyway limited because the 1000s are different, different weight distribution, different torque etc.
 
Nino said:
Also worth adding that in the past five years Honda have thrown loads of money at trying to win the title.



Plus they have four factory riders - so what does Ducati have to lose? They're already being heavily outspent by Honda, the difference now is that they have the input of Rossi and Burgess, to go with what they already have.
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Your question is ...-backwards logic-wise. You're adding a component to the dialog that never existed before.

The question is - what does Ducati have to gain?



The answer is - unfair advantage.



See if you can reply to me - giving a straight answer, without resorting to insults or changing the subject.



And what happens with Hayden is really of no consequence in the big picture as far as Ducati is concerned. He's just along for the ride - as he's no longer considered a threat.
 
So, is Yamaha and Honda going to take advantage of this loophole or not.
 
Keshav said:
Your question is ...-backwards logic-wise. You're adding a component to the dialog that never existed before.

The question is - what does Ducati have to gain?



The answer is - unfair advantage.



See if you can reply to me - giving a straight answer, without resorting to insults or changing the subject.



And what happens with Hayden is really of no consequence in the big picture as far as Ducati is concerned. He's just along for the ride - as he's no longer considered a threat.
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He was saying Ducati were starting a testing war they cannot win. Ducati have nothing to lose because Honda are already spending massively on their bike to get ahead. Long-term as long as Ducati test somewhere reasonably local most of the time, the testing won't require tons of money to be spent, and may help them close the gap (especially when it's VR and JB providing the feedback).



Another huge assumption from a Stoner fanboy. Yet if a 'bopper' makes a similar statement you and your mate jump on them.
 
Nino said:
He was saying Ducati were starting a testing war they cannot win. Ducati have nothing to lose because Honda are already spending massively on their bike to get ahead. Long-term as long as Ducati test somewhere reasonably local most of the time, the testing won't require tons of money to be spent, and may help them close the gap (especially when it's VR and JB providing the feedback).



Another huge assumption from a Stoner fanboy. Yet if a 'bopper' makes a similar statement you and your mate jump on them.
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To say Ducati has nothing to lose... is to imply that somehow they are taking a risk. In order for them to "lose" something

- they have to risk something.



1. What exactly do you believe Ducati is risking?



2. Given that the rules are made so that everyone gets the same amount of testing time - is there some reason why you

believe Ducati should be exempt from following the rule?



3. As to Hayden - if you took a poll here - or anywhere's else for that matter - as to whether Hayden is a contender on

the 800cc Ducati - hands down - everyone would agree that he is not. For the record - I like Hayden much more than

Stoner - but Stoner is the the better rider. If you genuinely believe Hayden is a contender for the title this year - you

would be the only person making that claim.



4. Personally - I think Yamaha and Honda are pretty much at the peak of development with the 800s

and both are hard hit by economy and the effects of the earthquakes.



5. Re: Stoner Fanboy - I asked if you could actually reply without resorting to insults

which you employ in lieu of logic or rational thought process. I pretty much assumed

that you were too intellectually deficient to do this. And your post shows I was right.

So much for treating you like an adult.
 
Keshav said:
1. What exactly do you believe Ducati is risking?
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The health of their riders.



Their previous reputation .... pre Rossi



Losing the front end.



The life of any other rider out there when Rossi takes them out ...



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Now on a serious note, .........



it would have been nice to know the timing difference between the 800 and the 1000.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
So it appears that Ducati have broken the gentleman's agreement in regards to testing. As Lex said they are allowed to test a bike that would not be eligible to race. So a simple change of some minor part making the bike illegal allows them to test. The gentleman's agreement between manufacturer's is to not use this loop hole. Ducati have decided to not abide by this gentleman's agreement.



As I said before the start of the season in response to a 'who is under the most pressure?' thread. Ducati are under enormous pressure, so much so that they are prepared to break a good faith agreement between the manufacturer's.



In my opinion there is no honour in this behaviour and there will be no honour in any wins that come as a result of it.



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/168198/1/why_rossi_and_hayden_can_test.html
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Some minor part like the swingarm, exaust, bodywork, motor, and suspension?



Here's my take. This is only an unfair advantage if the the other manufactures aren't able to do the same thing. And they are. The only reason anybody is making a big deal over this is because Ducati went first. If Honda did this first, then Ducati, nobody says anything. If Honda thinks they are being ...... around believe me, they'll say something. They are very serious about winning.
 

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