Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Ah yes, because it was me on the telecast making fun of the imaginary event that Rossi was imaginarily involved in. Maybe I imagined their comments?
Ah yes, because it was me on the telecast making fun of the imaginary event that Rossi was imaginarily involved in. Maybe I imagined their comments?
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
You are so boring. If the MSMA members do not complain, why should you or anybody else?
Well, I know very well why you insist so much on this non-issue as on other non-issues. You are a man on a (boring) mission, and you take it way too seriously... Jumkie, the anti-Rossi missionary...
That's exactly right. If the Fox doesn't complain about the missing chickens - why should the farmer take notice?
If a burglar robs your house and doesn't turn himself in to the police - then no crime is committed.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
'Anybody else' can include commentators -- I didn't listen to them, but maybe they were just saying that the weight issue is ridiculous (which it is) without necessarily blaming Rossi for it, as you do.
Joined Oct 2007
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That's exactly right. If the Fox doesn't complain about the missing chickens - why should the farmer take notice?
If a burglar robs your house and doesn't turn himself in to the police - then no crime is committed.
So you are saying all of MSMA are felons?
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Trying to sidetrack a legitimate analogy by asking a question you know is absurd, is a gambit worthy of a 12 year old.
Arguing against a claim I never made - is even less worthy.
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Denying what you just said and climbing mirrors when caught with your hands in the jam -- that is maybe what, 8 years old?
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Denying what you just said and climbing mirrors when caught with your hands in the jam -- that is maybe what, 8 years old?
Horseshit. Show me where I said anything about MSMA being felons. It's you who are being tiresome with all the
pettifogging. Now you're pretending you don't understand the concept of analogy? If that's the best you can do
you really should give it a rest. You're getting to be as bad as Barry.
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
You too? You don't understand what an analogy is? What next?
Maybe you'll accuse me of saying that Rossi is stealing chickens
or dressing up as small mammal. Or maybe you'll want to
profess to believe that foxes stealing chickens can or should
be accused of a felony. How surreal do you want to make this?
Where does the word felony even appear in my original post?
I didn't accuse you of anything. I just asked a question and am still waiting for the answer. AFAIK for an analogy to make sense it should relate to the scenario at hand and hence my question
Joined Aug 2007
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I didn't accuse you of anything. I just asked a question and am still waiting for the answer. AFAIK for an analogy to make sense it should relate to the scenario at hand and hence my question
Have you never heard the expression "The fox guarding the henhouse?" It's an analogy.
I'll put it in terms you can understand.
When the Shiv Sena and their friends wanted to tear down
the masjid in Ayodya and replace it with a mandir - right-minded
people put their faith in a Hindu-centric government, expecting
them to uphold the law and protect the rights of the Muslims
who'd been worshipping there for centuries.
That was like asking the fox to guard the hen house. Get it?
I never had any doubt about the analogy. I myself have used it many times.
In the above example you are putting Shivsena to be fox and hence the evil wrong doer.
When Jarno said "If the MSMA members do not complain, why should you or anybody else? " you said "If the Fox doesn't complain about the missing chickens". Are you saying MSMA is the fox there?
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Casey Stoner also confirmed that he and Dani Pedrosa will be testing Honda's 1000cc MotoGP machine at Jerez some time after Le Mans. Honda were reluctant to give a date for the test - presumably to ensure privacy - saying only that it would be after the French Grand Prix. Yamaha boss Lin Jarvis told me that Yamaha had no plans to test their 1000cc machine before the official 1000cc test on the day after the Mugello MotoGP round. Jarvis also explained that the factories had also agreed that extra private testing would be allowed of the 1000cc machines, to prepare for the upcoming switch.
Just proves how full of ..... a couple of posters on here are.
Just proves how full of ..... a couple of posters on here are.
I'll give you that Jums, but how much of the bike has to change before it's no longer a 2011, I have no clue. I'm asking you or anyone else. Bigger engine and an inverted swingarm were changes for sure, so what else has to be changed for the bike to be considered not a 2011 800cc and a 2012 bike that will compete under the rules for the coming 1000cc era that begins in 2012. Inverted swingarm also means the rear shock mount had to be changed, I'll just call it the mount because I didn't see the chasis, maybe you can clarify this aswell, or anyone else who got to see under the fairings. Would the bike they tested be legal to ride under the current rules this year? I'm sure it was over the 800cc limit for this year and thus making it legal to test but not to race this year. Don't the rules even say that an 800cc bike can be used next year, so really, does any one except the team itself have any control of what they decide to use next year and call their 2012 bike. I'm not the accuser here so I'm not waiting for anything, Rossi and Nicky rode a bike with an engine that would disqualify it under this years rules, to me that means they didn't ride(get a free test) the GP11 because the GP11 has an 800cc engine and is legal for this year. I think you should be upset with the rules, they aren't very clear. These are my thoughts, they may be wrong But I'm 100% certain the GP11 has an 800cc engine.
Joined Aug 2007
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I thought you'd been following the thread. When people said why aren't the MSMA complaining
- it was proposed that either there was a back-room agreement to permit Ducati to test outside
the agreed upon schedule - or that the MSMA were looking the other way when Ducati tested a 2012 engine in a 2011 chassis - because they wanted to break the agreed upon agreement for any number of reasons; which BTW - is especially unfair to Suzuki as they are already struggling to be competitive on their tiny budget and the whole purpose of the agreement was to keep all the budgets down for all manufacturers.
Ducati is a member of the MSMA.
The bike that was tested was not a 2012 bike but rather the current 2011 chassis with a bigger engine - which in the minds of reasonable people does not constitute
a 2012 bike. It is the chassis that Ducati needs help with most immediately
as has been demonstrated by Rossi who has said repeatedly the bike does not
turn well. He hasn't much complained about the engine. The test was really about the chassis.
Can it be proved by anyone that they used an exact 2011 chasis, and I'm talking actually being there, not going off speculation. I don't know what you ride or if you do but you aren't just hooking up an inverted swingarm without making some changes or modifications to the chasis.
Still at it huh Kesh. I post it a question on the other thread, Still waiting on your answer. I guess Ill post it here for you again just to make sure we get an answer from you.
Honda will be testing with 2 of their 3 riders on the new 2012 bike, do you consider them to be cheating like you did for ducati?
Joined Aug 2007
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It doesn't need to be "proved". Ducati said as much. Nick Harris and Gavin Emmett said so, as have numerous
other journos. Nobody has denied it. It's ipso facto an established fact.
