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GP12 tested today at Jerez

esco said:
Still at it huh Kesh. I post it a question on the other thread, Still waiting on your answer. I guess Ill post it here for you again just to make sure we get an answer from you.



Honda will be testing with 2 of their 3 riders on the new 2012 bike, do you consider them to be cheating like you did for ducati?
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Still too late to the party. There's no issue with testing the 2012 bike. The issue is Ducati's testing with the 2011 chassis - which as we all know is the basis of Rossi's inability to be fully competitive.
 
hawkdriver said:
Can it be proved by anyone that they used an exact 2011 chasis, and I'm talking actually being there, not going off speculation. I don't know what you ride or if you do but you aren't just hooking up an inverted swingarm without making some changes or modifications to the chasis.
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If they are testing new parts then it will not be an exact 2011 chassis as what would be the point in that. It is the intent of the test that is the real issue. Was the intent to improve the GP11 or was it to work solely on the GP12. Remember that we only heard the bike idling down the pit lane and we did not hear it out on the track. As has been confirmed by Krop there was no official analysis of the engine we are just told it was a 2012 spec engine. For all we know it could have been an 800 engine. Proof will be plain to see when on Monday they roll out a GP11 with an inverted swing arm. If they have a pipe sticking out the side as well then only the truly committed bopper will be able to cling to the fantasy.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
If they are testing new parts then it will not be an exact 2011 chassis as what would be the point in that. It is the intent of the test that is the real issue. Was the intent to improve the GP11 or was it to work solely on the GP12. Remember that we only heard the bike idling down the pit lane and we did not hear it out on the track. As has been confirmed by Krop there was no official analysis of the engine we are just told it was a 2012 spec engine. For all we know it could have been an 800 engine. Proof will be plain to see when on Monday they roll out a GP11 with an inverted swing arm. If they have a pipe sticking out the side as well then only the truly committed bopper will be able to cling to the fantasy.
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lol so if they role out a bike with the standard swingarm, what happens then. Does your anti bopper fantasy lust dry up and we don't have to see your witch hunts any more? Vitto has said the 12 bike is based off the gp11 so they would be fools not to use any information that would be of help from any test. Do you think if Honda found something during their test of their 2012 bike a couple weeks ago they wouldn't try to reproduce it for this year.
 
hawkdriver said:
lol so if they role out a bike with the standard swingarm, what happens then. Does your anti bopper fantasy lust dry up and we don't have to see your witch hunts any more? Vitto has said the 12 bike is based off the gp11 so they would be fools not to use any information that would be of help from any test. Do you think if Honda found something during their test of their 2012 bike a couple weeks ago they wouldn't try to reproduce it for this year.
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This one gets the prize for most involuted post of the month.
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hawkdriver said:
lol so if they role out a bike with the standard swingarm, what happens then. Does your anti bopper fantasy lust dry up and we don't have to see your witch hunts any more? Vitto has said the 12 bike is based off the gp11 so they would be fools not to use any information that would be of help from any test. Do you think if Honda found something during their test of their 2012 bike a couple weeks ago they wouldn't try to reproduce it for this year.
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Give up, he's flogging a dead horse trying to keep this thing going as a face-saving exercise.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
If they are testing new parts then it will not be an exact 2011 chassis as what would be the point in that. It is the intent of the test that is the real issue. Was the intent to improve the GP11 or was it to work solely on the GP12. Remember that we only heard the bike idling down the pit lane and we did not hear it out on the track. As has been confirmed by Krop there was no official analysis of the engine we are just told it was a 2012 spec engine. For all we know it could have been an 800 engine.
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Well what size engine did his body language say it was?
 
Nino said:
Give up, he's flogging a dead horse trying to keep this thing going as a face-saving exercise.
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You're right these two clowns can have honda and yam come to their homes and tell them it was okay and they would still be trying to find fault with something.
 
The following came out in the press release from the Grand Prix Commission today:



3) The Grand Commission has accepted the proposal of the MSMA for testing opportunities for machines eligible under the 2012 Regulations.

Machines Eligible under 2012 Regulations- “1000cc Machines”.

During the 2011 season teams may test for a total 8 rider/days with their contracted riders. This will apply retrospectively for the 2011 season.
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So there was an agreement among the factories all along. They were just waiting for Estoril to ratify the agreement so they could publish it.
 
Keshav said:
Horseshit. Show me where I said anything about MSMA being felons. It's you who are being tiresome with all the

pettifogging. Now you're pretending you don't understand the concept of analogy? If that's the best you can do

you really should give it a rest. You're getting to be as bad as Barry.
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I quoted your words when I answered you, that's where you said it with your brlliant similes of the fox , the farmer, etc.
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About being tiresome, excuse me Kesh, but it is you and Mental inflicting on everybody this obsession that Ducati cheated etc. etc. And you still insist even if it's clear that all the rest of the world has understood since ages that there is an agreement and it's all ok, and nobody could care less. How would you call that kind of attitude.



I told you long ago that there was a verbal agreement that would be ratified at Estoril. It is now confirmed beyond doubt. It's time to let this issue die, believe me Keshav.
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Has no one else freakin' notice that rules ALWAYS change when Rossi goes into a new team or when he speaks about a certain things he's not happy with to the media and complains ??? !!! Jeeze. Doesn't take a smart guy to figure how it works.



I just like that interview where Stoner called him out about it..... the media and all in his garage when Rossi came over to 'apologize'.
 
Kropotkin said:
The following came out in the press release from the Grand Prix Commission today:







So there was an agreement among the factories all along. They were just waiting for Estoril to ratify the agreement so they could publish it.
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See what I mean? Rossi changes the rules at will, he basically runs the MSMA, Dorna and the FIM.
 
Kropotkin said:
The following came out in the press release from the Grand Prix Commission today:







So there was an agreement among the factories all along. They were just waiting for Estoril to ratify the agreement so they could publish it.
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Cheers, that makes things nice and clear. Ducati (or any of the others) can/could still learn things useful for this years bikes, but that cannot realistically be avoided and i'm sure has been considered. Story over.
 
J4rn0 said:
I quoted your words when I answered you, that's where you said it with your brlliant similes of the fox , the farmer, etc.
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About being tiresome, excuse me Kesh, but it is you and Mental inflicting on everybody this obsession that Ducati cheated etc. etc. And you still insist even if it's clear that all the rest of the world has understood since ages that there is an agreement and it's all ok, and nobody could care less. How would you call that kind of attitude.



I told you long ago that there was a verbal agreement that would be ratified at Estoril. It is now confirmed beyond doubt. It's time to let this issue die, believe me Keshav.
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Me...? I haven't posted on this thread since last month. Some while back I said that it looked like you're right. What kept me feeling suspicious for a long time was the fact that Ducati released a video with no sound - which made me wonder if in fact fact they were testing the 800 under the guise of testing the 1000. And strictly speaking - the bike they tested (as per their own PR) was the 2012 engine in the 2011 chassis - which strictly speaking - does not constitute a 2012 bike. This is what Gavin Emmet was chuckling about because in essence they were using this outing to work on improvements for the 2011 chassis - which is illegal. Since the bike was not gone over by scrutineers - we'll never know.
 

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