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So that is to say that the other teams feel secure that Ducati haven't used this test to gain an unfair advantage testing their 2011 chassis? Or is it that they plan to do the same thing at some point in the season
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Or, they know that whatever Ducati does testing-wise, they also can and will do. So in the end nobody gets an advantage on anybody, especially considering as you say that Ducati is lagging behind now.
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This sounds more like the end of all testing-related conspiracy/cheating theories. I'm sure nobody will question whether Honda may also test parts that could be used in 2011, or not.
On the other hand the choice of Stoner and Pedrosa for the tests, leaving Dovi out, says it all about the 2012 Repsol team...
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At this point - conspiracy theory? Not that, given what we've learned now, since as you say the MSMA
are self-regulating in this regard - which I don't think I ever knew before all this.
Still... it does seem odd that heretofore no-one else has taken advantage of the change in policy.
Perhaps Ducati may have been pushing the Japanese for increased testing - and having been rebuffed,
decided to go into "rogue nation" status, and in the aftermath others have grudgingly come to accept
what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So much for cost cutting.
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This sounds more like the end of all testing-related conspiracy/cheating theories. I'm sure nobody will question whether Honda may also test parts that could be used in 2011, or not.
On the other hand the choice of Stoner and Pedrosa for the tests, leaving Dovi out, says it all about the 2012 Repsol team...
I think we can all agree that Dovi was only granted third-wheel status because he had a strong contract and good lawyers.
A shame really - as he's a good rider; but Honda only requires great riders. What to do?
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This sounds more like the end of all testing-related conspiracy/cheating theories. I'm sure nobody will question whether Honda may also test parts that could be used in 2011, or not.
I thought that ended back with post #314, when I said that Lorenzo mentioned testing the 2012 M1 after Mugello...
I guess I'm on too many people's ignore list.
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I thought that ended back with post #314, when I said that Lorenzo mentioned testing the 2012 M1 after Mugello...
I guess I'm on too many people's ignore list.
I remember reading this and thinking you said "he might be testing" etc. And if he did - why no report on it?
I don't mean this in a paranoid way - just, if it happened, why haven't we heard anything?
It hasn't happened. Lorenzo will test the M1 at the official 1000cc test on Monday after Mugello. Along with everyone else.
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Oh Krops, lets not add fog to the question debated. Its hard enough keeping people within the actual point being argued. All you will do is morph the debate for those not able to follow a point of reasoning logically.
What is there to "conspire" about? Didn't you already tell us ALL would be testing (according to the "gentlemen's agreement")? This only tell us you have learned 'when' Honda will conduct their test. The "conspiracy" is whether or not Ducati used this circumventing of testing rules to test or advance their GP11 project. Since most of us agree, they are clearly behind and need to move forward in development at any cost. The factory Honda...not so much. I'm sure HRC could use this to advance their 2011 bike, but would that be reasonable or best use of this testing? If you were in HRC's shoes, would you be hard pressed to advance your 2011 package, (you know, the package that's crushed during testing, round one, and was on point at round two)?
I remember some time ago, you mentioned that despite all the nice and positive press releases, the GP11 project for Rossi was in trouble. We asked you your opinion on the whether Ducati might be better served to give up on this year and just concentrate on the 2012. You said that basically it wasn't an option because of the pressure and the high profile, being Rossi and all. Has that changed?
I suppose we can all just believe Ducati didn't take advantage of this "gentlemen's agreement" to further their GP11 project. I suppose we can believe Honda will try and use this very limited testing time to help Stoner and Pedrosa get on with the 2011 bike (as if they were struggling with said bike).
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It occurs to me that there is one aspect of this whole business that does not make sense.
We are told that MSMA have agreed to limit testing to keep down costs. Right?
Yet on the other hand - it's understood that any manufacturer is allowed to test as much
as they care to - as long as they don't employ the team riders as testers.
It would seem to make more sense that they would limit testing with team riders
because their input has greater value in terms of improvements that will be useful
to said riders because only they are capable of testing the bikes at full race pace.
Assuming team riders are on contract and don't get paid 5 million to test
- how is it that limiting tests is said to be a cost cutting agreement?
Of course it's cheaper to test the bikes in Japan than it is to transport
new engines etc to Europe and of course the Japanese probably do
not spend that much to use a Japanese track. But then again - the cost
of flying team riders to Japan to test isn't very high. So - I don't see
the logic of this agreement.
We are told that MSMA have agreed to limit testing to keep down costs. Right?
Yet on the other hand - it's understood that any manufacturer is allowed to test as much
as they care to - as long as they don't employ the team riders as testers.
It would seem to make more sense that they would limit testing with team riders
because their input has greater value in terms of improvements that will be useful
to said riders because only they are capable of testing the bikes at full race pace.
Assuming team riders are on contract and don't get paid 5 million to test
- how is it that limiting tests is said to be a cost cutting agreement?
Of course it's cheaper to test the bikes in Japan than it is to transport
new engines etc to Europe and of course the Japanese probably do
not spend that much to use a Japanese track. But then again - the cost
of flying team riders to Japan to test isn't very high. So - I don't see
the logic of this agreement.
interesting http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90949
this early in the season and Ducati have already built a, quote, "heavily-revised frame" for Rossi. have they ever done that for Stoner?
this early in the season and Ducati have already built a, quote, "heavily-revised frame" for Rossi. have they ever done that for Stoner?
