GP12 tested today at Jerez

J4rn0 · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
Typically - you are implying things about my post - that only exist in your imagination - in order that you can argue about an imagined

flaw. I simply stated facts about Stoner that would indicate his state of mind at the time of incident; not mine.

The description of Rossi's behavior as "clownish" is of course my subjective viewpoint based on the fact that

he had no realistic chance of making the pass his second race out, first time in the rain, on a bike known

to have front end problems. There's gambling and there's long-shots and there's a snowball's chance in hell

- which is what Rossi had of making the pass - but he did so and it was the act of a buffoon - not the act

of a consummate professional. It was as desperate as his lame, and implausible attempt to grab the hole-shot.

The fact that Rossi has accomplished much - does not render him invulnerable to criticism. Your inability to ever

see the least bit of fault with Rossi and the sacred cow status you accord him, smacks of

the complete inability to think or reason objectively, so prevalent in religious fundamentalists.

Every time someone says anything the least unflattering about Rossi - you all go into a frenzy like a

a bunch of self-flagellating Shias on Ashoora. And you think I'm ruled by my emotions.

Professionals can make mistakes, they are human -- your problem is that you always have to blow all (negative) things related to Rossi to excessive proportions. This in order to satisfy your (negative) emotions towards him, since you dislike the person.

I understand you -- if I did not keep in check my instinctive dislike for Lorenzo, for instance, I would do with him what you do with Rossi. I try to be objective and not indulge my dislike for him. Indulging one's (negative) emotions is not the path of the wise man... Also sprach Zarathustra

I do not think I can be accused of being a captive Rossi fanboy -- I spend time defending him only because of your (and others') blatant exaggerations and frequent mud-slinging, but I look at him very objectively and with no yellow glasses.

I've been a "fan" only of Saarinen in that way, when I was a child...

michaelm · Apr 18, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Professionals can make mistakes, they are human -- your problem is that you always have to blow all (negative) things related to Rossi to excessive proportions. This in order to satisfy your (negative) emotions towards him, since you dislike the person.

I understand you -- if I did not keep in check my instinctive dislike for Lorenzo, for instance, I would do with him what you do with Rossi. I try to be objective and not indulge my dislike for him. Indulging one's (negative) emotions is not the path of the wise man... Also sprach Zarathustra

I do not think I can be accused of being a captive Rossi fanboy -- I spend time defending him only because of your (and others') blatant exaggerations and frequent mud-slinging, but I look at him very objectively and with no yellow glasses.

I've been a "fan" only of Saarinen in that way, when I was a child...

I am very much a stoner fan, but appreciate your input, and find you and kropotkin the most informed posters on here; I do value lex's sometimes left field input highly as well. I also appreciate that you have been fair about stoner in good times and bad.

Once I cooled down and especially after rossi talked to gpone I again don't have a problem with rossi, although I am still concerned about the possible impact on stoner's season. . Not so sure about some of the rossi fundamentalists who maintained stoner had nothing at all to be annoyed about though.

Nino · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
Innocent until proven guilty is not a universal concept.

Catholic are you?

If the majority here on PS were like you - we'd have to start a thread for the humor-challenged.

No I'm not Catholic, but that post just highlighted what a weirdo you are. Maybe you are the one who was buggered as a kid

.

Keshav · Apr 18, 2011

J4rn0 said:
Professionals can make mistakes, they are human -- your problem is that you always have to blow all (negative) things related to Rossi to excessive proportions. This in order to satisfy your (negative) emotions towards him, since you dislike the person.

I understand you -- if I did not keep in check my instinctive dislike for Lorenzo, for instance, I would do with him what you do with Rossi. I try to be objective and not indulge my dislike for him. Indulging one's (negative) emotions is not the path of the wise man... Also sprach Zarathustra

I do not think I can be accused of being a captive Rossi fanboy -- I spend time defending him only because of your (and others') blatant exaggerations and frequent mud-slinging, but I look at him very objectively and with no yellow glasses.

I've been a "fan" only of Saarinen in that way, when I was a child...

Yes professionals can make mistakes. However... some lapses in judgment are more egregious than others. If Pedrosa in 2006 had only fallen

harmlessly by the side and not taken out Hayden - it would not have been so significant. But to use such poor judgment with the full knowledge

that he potentially could have ruined the championship for the points leader - evinced narcissitic contempt for his teammate and

a general lack of sportsmanship. It was an implausible and desperate pass that would not have gained Pedrosa a significant points advantage

at that late stage in the season. His ambition outweighed his ability to calculate risk. He let his ego run the show. And that is the same complaint

many of us have with Rossi - who is constantly touted as the master of time and space; the man who is always in control etc. ad nauseum.

We're all of us constantly being reminded of what a peerless rider Rossi is - so when he makes such an egregious error of judgement

that appears to significantly affect the chances of Stoner - it is of real import, hence strong reactions to Rossi's behavior which like

Pedrosa's - has been judged to be far below the standards of what either of them are known to be capable of. Under the circumstances I do not think the complaint against Rossi in this instance is out of proportion considering the results of his lapse in judgment.

Interestingly enough I share your dislike of Lorenzo - as a personality type - but have never found reason to complain about his on-track behavior. Hmmm...

Nino · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
A.

You flatter yourself.

Keshav · Apr 18, 2011

Again... you flatter yourself. I think there are many out there dumber than yourself.

What you lack in intellect - you make up for in guts. It took courage for you to finally

post a photo of yourself. Don't worry. You were dumb before I started posting on the

internet and will doubtless continue to rank high amongst the legions of dummies

long after I'm gone.

J4rn0 · Apr 18, 2011

michaelm said:
I am very much a stoner fan, but appreciate your input, and find you and kropotkin the most informed posters on here; I do value lex's sometimes left field input highly as well. I also appreciate that you have been fair about stoner in good times and bad.

Once I cooled down and especially after rossi talked to gpone I again don't have a problem with rossi, although I am still concerned about the possible impact on stoner's season. . Not so sure about some of the rossi fundamentalists who maintained stoner had nothing at all to be annoyed about though.

That's for sure! Stoner had all reasons in the world to be angry at Rossi, and Rossi knew he was guilty without excuses -- I think he went there with his helmet on because he was afraid Casey would punch him in the face. Stoner's anger is well known in the Ducati garage... the mechanics must have warned him

J4rn0 · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
Yes professionals can make mistakes. However... some lapses in judgment are more egregious than others. If Pedrosa in 2006 had only fallen

harmlessly by the side and not taken out Hayden - it would not have been so significant. But to use such poor judgment with the full knowledge

that he potentially could have ruined the championship for the points leader - evinced narcissitic contempt for his teammate and

a general lack of sportsmanship. It was an implausible and desperate pass that would not have gained Pedrosa a significant points advantage

at that late stage in the season. His ambition outweighed his ability to calculate risk. He let his ego run the show. And that is the same complaint

many of us have with Rossi - who is constantly touted as the master of time and space; the man who is always in control etc. ad nauseum.

We're all of us constantly being reminded of what a peerless rider Rossi is - so when he makes such an egregious error of judgement

that appears to significantly affect the chances of Stoner - it is of real import, hence strong reactions to Rossi's behavior which like

Pedrosa's - has been judged to be far below the standards of what either of them are known to be capable of. Under the circumstances I do not think the complaint against Rossi in this instance is out of proportion considering the results of his lapse in judgment.

Interestingly enough I share your dislike of Lorenzo - as a personality type - but have never found reason to complain about his on-track behavior. Hmmm...

Fair enough... but the sweeping judgments passed on Rossi after his mistake at Jerez went beyond the single episode and were excessive, as was unfair all the suspicion and insinuations about the Ducati testing, without any proof. But we have discussed all this ad nauseam already... Be well Keshav, oh "curly haired" one

Btw you surely remember Lorenzo in 250 and 125, do you? It's true that in MotoGP he became more sedate... probably it has to do with all the nasty crashes he suffered in the first year.

Nino · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
Again... you flatter yourself. I think there are many out there dumber than yourself.

What you lack in intellect - you make up for in guts. It took courage for you to finally

post a photo of yourself. Don't worry. You were dumb before I started posting on the

internet and will doubtless continue to rank high amongst the legions of dummies

long after I'm gone.

BEN · Apr 18, 2011

Guys - keep the playground stuff where it belongs eh?

Keshav · Apr 18, 2011

BEN said:
Guys - keep the playground stuff where it belongs eh?

When you're right - you're right. I do try not to get dragged down to his level

- but he makes such an easy and willing target. I've been bitching and moaning

(to myself mostly) that the current batch of newbies are dragging down the

quality of debate and the forum as well - with endless insults and low-rent

brow-beating and then let myself get sucked into it, allowing myself to

end up being a contributor to the very horseshit that has driven away

or minimized the participation of the more interesting members

whose posts drew me to the forum in the first place. Maybe it's

time I add Nino to my ignore list.

Nino · Apr 18, 2011

Keshav said:
When you're right - you're right.

You've been completely wrong on virtually everything you've said on this thread - sucking up to mods ain't gonna change that

.

povol · Apr 18, 2011

[quote name='Kropotkin' timestamp='1303112903' post='275686']

I'll be making a video about it later. It's going to be callled "Loose Washers".

[/quote

When we get a complete moron for a customer, who on top of that is an ......., we tell them when they ask what the problem was with their boat, It was a loose screw between the steering wheel and the captains chair

Tom · Apr 18, 2011

Ok so if Ducati can test a 'GP12' at an unofficial test on the basis that it is not a bike for the current motogp regulations, where is the line drawn. There are rumours Ducati aren't using the full 1000 cc's, so they are testing their current GP bike with a few extra CC's, it was the current chassis!! Why can't the other teams ever so slightly alter their bikes so they don't fit the rules and test the all season? For me though the real question is that if they aren't technically testing a current motogp bike and it is not an official motogp test, why were they permitted to run current motogp tyres? For me that isn't quite right

Austin · Apr 18, 2011

Nino said:
You've been completely wrong on virtually everything you've said on this thread - sucking up to mods ain't gonna change that

.

That's the guy who pays for this place, show a touch of class and listen to what he says.

Keshav · Apr 18, 2011

Nino said:
You've been completely wrong on virtually everything you've said on this thread - sucking up to mods ain't gonna change that

.

I guess I will have to just put you on the ignore list. You absolutely never have anything interesting or positive to add to the dialog.

All you ever do here is sneer and brow-beat like a juvenile high-school bully. You're a ....... bore. You got nothing.

All you ever do is glower and and growl and posture like you know something - and then feed off of other

people's posts. You haven't an original idea of your own. Nothing you have had to say means anything to me.

You're sophmoric and tedious. Phillistines like you bored me when I was 12 years old. I didn't pay attention to twerps

like you then - and all these years later I find I'm no more inclined to do so. PM if you ever grow up.

hawkdriver · Apr 18, 2011

Tom said:
Ok so if Ducati can test a 'GP12' at an unofficial test on the basis that it is not a bike for the current motogp regulations, where is the line drawn. There are rumours Ducati aren't using the full 1000 cc's, so they are testing their current GP bike with a few extra CC's, it was the current chassis!! Why can't the other teams ever so slightly alter their bikes so they don't fit the rules and test the all season? For me though the real question is that if they aren't technically testing a current motogp bike and it is not an official motogp test, why were they permitted to run current motogp tyres? For me that isn't quite right

I'm not sure if we'll get to find out but maybe they don't need to test as much. The duc is fuc'd and letting Nicky test parts during the season so far doesn't seem to be getting them anywhere yet. The other two major players are also using a standard chassis and ducati is trying to sort the carbon fiber chassis so this might also have a lot to do with it. From an engineering standpoint Honda and Yamaha probably have all the knowledge they need to build a good chasis in a short amount of time and get it tested, while ducati have limited knowledge about the use of carbon fiber as a chassis material and so they need more time and testing. I also know that Colin Edwards has made comments about his times being very close to the times given by the simulator so that to me says Yamaha knows what they are doing. I don't know if ducati have a simulator but if they do I bet after all the numbers are entered there is a fair amount of cursing going on when they get onto the track.

Kropotkin · Apr 19, 2011

povol said:
Kropotkin' timestamp='1303112903' post='275686 said:

I'll be making a video about it later. It's going to be callled "Loose Washers".

Click to expand...

When we get a complete moron for a customer, who on top of that is an ......., we tell them when they ask what the problem was with their boat, It was a loose screw between the steering wheel and the captains chair

There's a code for it in the IT world too. If a user phones up with problems related to his own stupidity, the call gets labeled PEBKAC. Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair ...

Kropotkin · Apr 19, 2011

Tom said:
Ok so if Ducati can test a 'GP12' at an unofficial test on the basis that it is not a bike for the current motogp regulations, where is the line drawn. There are rumours Ducati aren't using the full 1000 cc's, so they are testing their current GP bike with a few extra CC's, it was the current chassis!! Why can't the other teams ever so slightly alter their bikes so they don't fit the rules and test the all season? For me though the real question is that if they aren't technically testing a current motogp bike and it is not an official motogp test, why were they permitted to run current motogp tyres? For me that isn't quite right

It's not right, but the manufacturers have all agreed not to make a stink about it, as they're all in the same boat. There's just not enough testing allowed.

Nino · Apr 19, 2011

Austin said:
That's the guy who pays for this place, show a touch of class and listen to what he says.

It wasn't a diss directed at him, more at Keshav's incessant whining. This is a great site, a couple of over-zealous fanboys isn't gonna change my opinion.

Can't wait till Estoril, really hoping Ducati's changes can make a difference. Given the engine rules I'm not sure how much of a an engine redesign they'll do though.

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