GP12 tested today at Jerez

Keshav said:

That alone does not make them innocent either.



If Kropo says the purse-strings are that tight, it would I reckon preclude testing

in Europe rather than Japan.

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Right, so guilty until proven innocent .

Nino said:

Right, so guilty until proven innocent

.

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Of course, they are guilty of having Rossi as a rider. That cannot be forgiven...

Nino said:

Right, so guilty until proven innocent

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Dude... you have to lighten up already. It's all theoretical.

This has all been a debate between enthusiasts. You never

seem to have much fun when you're involved in them.

Think how boring this would all be if we all agreed on

everything. That seems to be one of the primary

differences between the fanatics (that would be you

Talpa etc) and the rational minded amongst us. You

guys (w the exception of J4) always seem to be

seething with anger. I've long stopped caring one

way or the other about whether Ducati is in fact

cheating. Mostly I've continued with this thread because

it's fun out-thinking you and shredding your poorly

thought out diatribes and logic-free arguments.

Although sometimes I think J4 is full of ....

(who amongst us isn't at times?) I like debating

with him because he's pretty much unflappable

- you... not so much.

J4rn0 said:

Of course, they are guilty of having Rossi as a rider. That cannot be forgiven...

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Always playing the martyr card. Oh the slings and arrows you must suffer

for the sake of your beloved.

Keshav said:

Dude... you have to lighten up already. It's all theoretical.

This has all been a debate between enthusiasts. You never

seem to have much fun when you're involved in them.

Think how boring this would all be if we all agreed on

everything. That seems to be one of the primary

differences between the fanatics (that would be you

Talpa etc) and the rational minded amongst us. You

guys (w the exception of J4) always seem to be

seething with anger. I've long stopped caring one

way or the other about whether Ducati is in fact

cheating. Mostly I've continued with this thread because

it's fun out-thinking you and shredding your poorly

thought out diatribes and logic-free arguments.

Although sometimes I think J4 is full of ....

(who amongst us isn't at times?) I like debating

with him because he's pretty much unflappable

- you... not so much.

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You've had your wings clipped by someone who knows what they're talking about, and you're talking this thread being a bit of fun.



The only fun has been watching stretch desperately for something to cling to.



Keep digging though, it's good you've accepted your position as a figure of fun. .

Nino said:

Right, so guilty until proven innocent

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Innocent until proven guilt is an absolute load of crap. Name me one instance in society that operates this way? It is always the exact opposite unless money is to be made and then guilty is just fine .... please proceed.



Wars are fought on the guilty until proven innocent philosophy and when they find out they were innocent they just change the reason i.e the Iraq War.

J4rn0 said:

Of course, they are guilty of having Rossi as a rider. That cannot be forgiven...

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Catholic priests buggering little boys, the Iraq war...what a bunch of cranks . Should be renamed the comedy thread .

Nino said:

Catholic priests buggering little boys, the Iraq war...what a bunch of cranks

. Should be renamed the comedy thread

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Innocent until proven guilty is not a universal concept.



Catholic are you?



If the majority here on PS were like you - we'd have to start a thread for the humor-challenged.

Nino said:

You've had your wings clipped by someone who knows what they're talking about, and you're talking this thread being a bit of fun.



The only fun has been watching stretch desperately for something to cling to.



Keep digging though, it's good you've accepted your position as a figure of fun.

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A.

You flatter yourself.



B.

Keshav said:

Dude... you have to lighten up already. It's all theoretical.

This has all been a debate between enthusiasts. You never

seem to have much fun when you're involved in them.

Think how boring this would all be if we all agreed on

everything. That seems to be one of the primary

differences between the fanatics (that would be you

Talpa etc) and the rational minded amongst us. You

guys (w the exception of J4) always seem to be

seething with anger. I've long stopped caring one

way or the other about whether Ducati is in fact

cheating. Mostly I've continued with this thread because

it's fun out-thinking you and shredding your poorly

thought out diatribes and logic-free arguments.

Although sometimes I think J4 is full of ....

(who amongst us isn't at times?) I like debating

with him because he's pretty much unflappable

- you... not so much.

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Hmmm from the one who posted this......

Keshav said:

No you miss the point. It's not that you need it. It's that you are it.

This is not ladies coterie sitting around drinking tea from delicate

china cups. It's more a bunch of inebriated twaats getting noisy

and rude down at the pub.

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And this.....

Keshav said:

Bon - If he'd had used good judgment he wouldn't have tried that move on his first ride on the Duc - in the rain.

It was stupid and reckless. Especially that early in the race. The move was as reckless and unprofessional as his lame

attempt to grab the holeshot at Qatar from way the hell back on the grid. Irresponsible show-boating is what it was.

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Or this....

Keshav said:

Whether he was in the first position is irrelevant. In all likelihood - he was biding his time, looking to

see what Simoncelli's weakness was or to see if Simoncelli was going to crash.



In all events - please don't try to justify another out-of-control clown move by Rossi. He was overreaching.

Plain and simple.

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Or Maybe.....

Keshav said:

I pointed this out earlier. Why the rush? He's such a big pro. Is it not common logic

that races are not won in the first few turns? He was behaving like a hyperactive kid.

Maybe he needs Ritalin. Maybe he needs memory enhancing meds so he won't forget he's not

on the Yamaha anymore.

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And the Pièce de résistance

Keshav said:

Tell me, or anyone here with a straight face that if you were being paid millions of dollars to win

championships, had worked your entire life since the age of 11 and sacrificed anything and everything, spent

countless hours, weeks, months, years training and training and training and suffered through multiple serious,

painful injuries and undergone numerous surgeries and committed yourself heart and soul to one purpose and

one purpose only... to win that race - that after being knocked down by an irresponsible clown - you would just

pat him on the back and say "There there old chap, think nothing of it - in fact why don't you pop by my place

later for a spot of tea?" This demonizing of Stoner for simply speaking his mind - is a totally disingenuous

straw man fantasy on your part and and you know it as well as I do.

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And you call yourself rational and others fanatics......Lighten up dude........



The 'H' word springs to mind yet again!

Talpa said:

Hmmm from the one who posted this......











And this.....









Or this....









Or Maybe.....







And the Pièce de résistance







And you call yourself rational and others fanatics......Lighten up dude........

The 'H' word springs to mind yet again!

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You - as in you personally - haven't actually really said anything here in this post.

I could just as easily - and just a profoundly reply by simply saying "Ha... I don't

agree with anything you say." as if that somehow brings about a blanket invalidation

of everything you have said. How lazy of me that would be. Don't you think?



Forget I asked the last question.

I just read above this old quote from Kesh above:



"[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]if you were being paid millions of dollars to win [/font][font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]championships, had worked your entire life since the age of 11 and sacrificed anything and everything, spent

countless hours, weeks, months, years training and training and training and suffered through multiple serious,

painful injuries and undergone numerous surgeries and committed yourself heart and soul to one purpose and

one purpose only... to win that race - that after being knocked down by an irresponsible clown - "[/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Interesting how this emotional description would apply perfectly to Rossi as well! Paid millions, worked his entire life at it, sustained injuries, remained committed, has been knocked down during races... [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Still he is an "irresponsible clown". Ah... [/font]

Talpa said:

And this.....









Or this....

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Just for my personal edification, please point out the errors in these 2 statements.

J4rn0 said:

I just read above this old quote from Kesh above:



"[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]if you were being paid millions of dollars to win [/font][font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]championships, had worked your entire life since the age of 11 and sacrificed anything and everything, spent

countless hours, weeks, months, years training and training and training and suffered through multiple serious,

painful injuries and undergone numerous surgeries and committed yourself heart and soul to one purpose and

one purpose only... to win that race - that after being knocked down by an irresponsible clown - "[/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Interesting how this emotional description would apply perfectly to Rossi as well! Paid millions, worked his entire life at it, sustained injuries, remained committed, has been knocked down during races... [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Still he is an "irresponsible clown". Ah... [/font]

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Typically - you are implying things about my post - that only exist in your imagination - in order that you can argue about an imagined

flaw. I simply stated facts about Stoner that would indicate his state of mind at the time of incident; not mine.



The description of Rossi's behavior as "clownish" is of course my subjective viewpoint based on the fact that

he had no realistic chance of making the pass his second race out, first time in the rain, on a bike known

to have front end problems. There's gambling and there's long-shots and there's a snowball's chance in hell

- which is what Rossi had of making the pass - but he did so and it was the act of a buffoon - not the act

of a consummate professional. It was as desperate as his lame, and implausible attempt to grab the hole-shot.

The fact that Rossi has accomplished much - does not render him invulnerable to criticism. Your inability to ever

see the least bit of fault with Rossi and the sacred cow status you accord him with, smacks of

the complete inability to think objectively that is so prevalent in religious fundamentalists.

Every time someone says anything the least unflattering about Rossi - you all go into a frenzy like a

a bunch of self-flagellating Shias on Ashoora.

J4rn0 said:

I just read above this old quote from Kesh above:



"[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]if you were being paid millions of dollars to win [/font][font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]championships, had worked your entire life since the age of 11 and sacrificed anything and everything, spent

countless hours, weeks, months, years training and training and training and suffered through multiple serious,

painful injuries and undergone numerous surgeries and committed yourself heart and soul to one purpose and

one purpose only... to win that race - that after being knocked down by an irresponsible clown - "[/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Interesting how this emotional description would apply perfectly to Rossi as well! Paid millions, worked his entire life at it, sustained injuries, remained committed, has been knocked down during races... [/font]

[font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"]Still he is an "irresponsible clown". Ah... [/font]

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Typically - you are implying things about my post - that only exist in your imagination - in order that you can argue about an imagined

flaw. I simply stated facts about Stoner that would indicate his state of mind at the time of incident; not mine.



The description of Rossi's behavior as "clownish" is of course my subjective viewpoint based on the fact that

he had no realistic chance of making the pass his second race out, first time in the rain, on a bike known

to have front end problems. There's gambling and there's long-shots and there's a snowball's chance in hell

- which is what Rossi had of making the pass - but he did so and it was the act of a buffoon - not the act

of a consummate professional. It was as desperate as his lame, and implausible attempt to grab the hole-shot.

The fact that Rossi has accomplished much - does not render him invulnerable to criticism. Your inability to ever

see the least bit of fault with Rossi and the sacred cow status you accord him, smacks of

the complete inability to think or reason objectively, so prevalent in religious fundamentalists.

Every time someone says anything the least unflattering about Rossi - you all go into a frenzy like a

a bunch of self-flagellating Shias on Ashoora. And you think I'm ruled by my emotions.

Its all Krops fault. He is the one who planted the seeds of conspiracy

povol said:

Its all Krops fault. He is the one who planted the seeds of conspiracy

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I'll be making a video about it later. It's going to be callled "Loose Washers".

Kropotkin said:

I'll be making a video about it later. It's going to be callled "Loose Washers".

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Just wanted to say "thanks Dave" for taking the time to offer your insights and expertise on this sport we all love - I am sure I speak for everyone on this forum

Mr Squiggle said:

Just wanted to say "thanks Dave" for taking the time to offer your insights and expertise on this sport we all love - I am sure I speak for everyone on this forum

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I enjoy it! No need for thanks!

povol said:

Its all Krops fault. He is the one who planted the seeds of conspiracy

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Actually, he contributes a lot in bringing the debate back to common sense and factual information.