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Like you have any place to talk about offending people.

The problem is most days nobody wants to be the first one to stop sniping and when there's a bit of peace for a day or so, someone (anyone) will say something mildly critical and the guy on the receiving end is all hair triggered ready to snipe back. Everybody takes themselves so seriously.
 
Here's the difference between you and me...

I know why I offend people.

You offend people and then make a great show out of not understanding why Michael and others took offense to a number of your posts in this topic.

You are not telling me why I offended you are just saying they are offended. You directly offend people? thats ....... horrible man. If a joke I made offended MM, he should tell me. PM or otherwise. If my opinion offends you, thats still your problem. I have tried to end this already. I've tried to explain myself but you and other don't want to let it go. I am over it though. I can go on the offensive too you know.
 
You are not telling me why I offended you are just saying they are offended. You directly offend people? thats ....... horrible man. If a joke I made offended MM, he should tell me. PM or otherwise. If my opinion offends you, thats still your problem. I have tried to end this already. I've tried to explain myself but you and other don't want to let it go. I am over it though. I can go on the offensive too you know.

I didn't say you're offending me. But Mike did outline what he didn't like that you said. Not sure what the confusion is.

I said I know why I offend people when I say stuff because I have an inclination to dispense with all the flowery ........ and get to the heart of the matter whether right or wrong. Some appreciate it, others don't. Oh well.
 
This is code for, if you can't lower yourself down to my level of sophomoric japery you are a humorless academic mope.

To be fair, Mike-M is a tad don-ish, what with using words like hitherto etc. But he hasn't a humor deficit. His humor is so dry. I always picture him sitting at the computer in a green velvet smoking jacket with a meersham pipe in the pocket, one of those cake-tin Afghani caps with the tassle hanging off the side, with a bottle of vintage sherry at his side and Mozart playing on the stereo and a great wolfhound snoozing at his feet. :p
 
I didn't say you're offending me. But Mike did outline what he didn't like that you said. Not sure what the confusion is.

I said I know why I offend people when I say stuff because I have an inclination to dispense with all the flowery ........ and get to the heart of the matter whether right or wrong. Some appreciate it, others don't. Oh well.

I must say that even though you offend people you don't get personal. That I respect, and is why I still communicate with you.

As for MM. He outlined the things he didn't like about my opinion of Stoner and I explained myself. If its something else then I don't know. I will point out the first post made between us was him pointing a finger at me saying I talk about Stoner more. Which I found to be a childish argument.
 
I must say that even though you offend people you don't get personal. That I respect, and is why I still communicate with you.

As for MM. He outlined the things he didn't like about my opinion of Stoner and I explained myself. If its something else then I don't know. I will point out the first post made between us was him pointing a finger at me saying I talk about Stoner more. Which I found to be a childish argument.

Appreciate the words Dub.

Something I will say is even though I can be quite forceful in arguments is that one of the main reasons I enjoy this forum is because most people here are intelligent and that alone makes for far more interesting topics.

I can honestly say that excluding the blatant troll accounts, I have learned something new from nearly every single poster on this forum. I can't say that about too many racing forums across the internet...or even just generally speaking about online forums.

Hopefully you and Mike can hammer it out.
 
This is code for, if you can't lower yourself down to my level of sophomoric japery you are a humorless academic mope.
LOL. Clever wording. I needed to give 'lighter side' credit to somone, anyway. ;)
Like you have any place to talk about offending people.
Yeah. NO doubt that JPSLotus can bring on the offensiveness. However. While we have spat at each other in these forums, I have only taken exception to the politics being discussed in these threads, and I have said so.

JPSLotus brings a lot more good to this place than bad. Whether you agree with his point of view or not, he is passionate about the sport and knowledgable. Like other people here, INCLUDING some Rossi FANS, there would be nothing without all of us posting. Everyone needs to remember that, when deciding who should post and who should not. The also-rans will run, fast enough, without encouragement. :eek:
 
Appreciate the words Dub.

Something I will say is even though I can be quite forceful in arguments is that one of the main reasons I enjoy this forum is because most people here are intelligent and that alone makes for far more interesting topics.

I can honestly say that excluding the blatant troll accounts, I have learned something new from nearly every single poster on this forum. I can't say that about too many racing forums across the internet...or even just generally speaking about online forums.

Hopefully you and Mike can hammer it out.


Totally agree. Another thing thats great about this place is its free to get a little heated. We've always been good at policing ourselves for the most part. Trolls don't make it long if we focus our attention on them and not eachother. Why hello the worst.
 
To be fair, Mike-M is a tad don-ish, what with using words like hitherto etc. But he hasn't a humor deficit. His humor is so dry. I always picture him sitting at the computer in a green velvet smoking jacket with a meersham pipe in the pocket, one of those cake-tin Afghani caps with the tassle hanging off the side, with a bottle of vintage sherry at his side and Mozart playing on the stereo and a great wolfhound snoozing at his feet. :p
Manzanilla sherry.
 
Can we start the arguing about Stoner / Rossi / Jorge / Dani / Marc / Rainey / Doohan / "insert name of ride here" back up please?

I've had nothing to read for the past two days :(
 
Can we start the arguing about Stoner / Rossi / Jorge / Dani / Marc / Rainey / Doohan / "insert name of ride here" back up please?

I've had nothing to read for the past two days :(

What do you want us to argue about?

Rossi can't win championships without either equipment advantages relative to the rest of the field, a nearly perfect bike, and/or tires that level the playing field.

Lorenzo became so reliant on the M1 and generating corner speed that he committed career suicide because he didn't want to deal with Rossi. I'm all for principled stands and getting as much money as you can, but had I been in his shoes, I would have at least considered was it really worth sacrificing the latter part of my career for this. At the end of the day winning is what keeps you relevant as a top rider, and not winning is turning Lorenzo into irrelevance. Mind you his best chance at winning a grand prix this season will be at the Red Bull Ring since it's just a bunch of a drag strips with corners. Of course that means Dovi will be in the running too, and it's hard to picture Lorenzo outperforming Dovi there, but stranger things have happened.

Pedrosa is another situational rider who needs the right chassis and tire combination on the GP bikes to be in the running week in and week out. That kind of gets lost on some with regards to the 2011-2013 period; the RC212V and RC213V of those years weren't yet having the issues that would start showing up in 2015 to present.

Marquez is the outlier in that he can win on anything and with two different tire manufacturers in spite of the current supplier being most decidedly not good for quality front tire design. That doesn't even take into account the electronics change that hurt Honda more than any of the other factories given the nature of the RCV. Sure the prior 3 have all won races on both Michelin and Bridgestone over the last several seasons, but have you ever thought they could sustain the performance over the duration of the season? Even Vinales who you can add into this conversation was doing great on the initial 2017 tire construction and then started falling back after the latest tire change.

They're all talented riders without question, but MM is the only one of the bunch who has proven he can weather the constant changes and perform in spite of not having a that perfect, or as close to perfect bike. If Honda can get back to providing a quality chassis with a quality engine, he's going to run over the field indefinitely.

The greatest strength a rider can possess in my opinion is adaptability, and while they can all adapt to varying degrees, MM is the only one of the current grid who can do it all the time...and can do it throughout the course of a single given race as Crutchlow mentioned recently. That's the link between MM, Stoner, Lawson, Rainey, and the other greats; that ability to transcend the bike itself and to deliver wins and titles in spite of whatever mechanical deficiencies are in play.
 
Can we start the arguing about Stoner / Rossi / Jorge / Dani / Marc / Rainey / Doohan / "insert name of ride here" back up please?

I've had nothing to read for the past two days :(

You probably haven't even researched Manzilla sherry yet.

Manzanillas and Finos are both great with food and especially tapas, the small plates or snacks served throughout Spain but originated in Andalusia. According to legend, tapas was invented when King Alfonso XII, who reigned from 1875 to 1885, ordered a glass of sherry in Cádiz, a seaside city just south of Jerez. To protect the sherry from sand and wind, a piece of cured ham was placed on top of the glass. After drinking the wine and eating the ham, the King ordered another sherry with the same tapa, which means cover in Spanish.
 
Takes a lot of balls to give the King a drink with a piece of ham on the top.

Could go either way.
 
You know I'm fine with Stoner its his fans that are truly annoying. The ones that aren't willing to question anything about stoner particularly. Stoners career was what it was. Its respectable and if I want to debate it I'm free too. Do you want me to go back on the Stoner attack to remind you what it was like? Or do you want to have discussions during this month long break?

Alrighty then, what aspect of Stoner do you believe his fans are not willing to objectively evaluate?

I see in your post how you say his career "was what it was". What does that mean?
 
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