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MigsAngel · Jul 4, 2017

moto vudu said:
Neither Rossi or Lorenzo were/are overpaid by Ducati. The duc has always been a difficult bike to ride and riders are putting their health on the line to attempt to get the best out of it. The salary Rossi & Lorenzo negotiated with Ducati is exactly the salary their deserved. Ducati's racing program(s) have been under performing... easy to point the finger at the riders when it should actually be pointed at engineers.

I dont disagree....but both riders are meant to be great enough riders to ride beyond the short coming of the bike....which in both cases was / is a race winning bike....

Clearly then Dovi is woefully underpaid....

Arrabbiata1 · Jul 4, 2017

moto vudu said:
Neither Rossi or Lorenzo were/are overpaid by Ducati. The duc has always been a difficult bike to ride and riders are putting their health on the line to attempt to get the best out of it. The salary Rossi & Lorenzo negotiated with Ducati is exactly the salary they deserved. Ducati's racing program(s) have been under performing... easy to point the finger at the riders when it should actually be pointed at engineers.

Nonetheless, I thought that Filippo Preziosi was treated appallingly.

moto vudu · Jul 4, 2017

MigsAngel said:
I dont disagree....but both riders are meant to be great enough riders to ride beyond the short coming of the bike....which in both cases was / is a race winning bike....

Clearly then Dovi is woefully underpaid....

Both Rossi and Lorenzo are capable of riding around some short comings of the bike, but duc has issues the Japanese bikes do not. Ducati appears to be making positive progress, but they haven't designed a bike that's capable of winning at every circuit on the calendar.

Dovi isn't underpaid, he isn't a MotoGP champion. When you're a champion (especially a multiple time champion) you command a big salary. It's the same in all sports... Warrior's Steph Curry just signed a 5-year $201 million contract. Overpaid? I think not. Champions bring in money to your organization.

moto vudu · Jul 4, 2017

Arrabbiata1 said:
Nonetheless, I thought that Filippo Preziosi was treated appallingly.

He was, but you already know it's a cut-throat business. Ducati treated Stoner appallingly during his illness and HRC screwed over Hayden... repeatedly.

michaelm · Jul 4, 2017

moto vudu said:
Both Rossi and Lorenzo are capable of riding around some short comings of the bike, but duc has issues the Japanese bikes do not. Ducati appears to be making positive progress, but they haven't designed a bike that's capable of winning at every circuit on the calendar.

Dovi isn't underpaid, he isn't a MotoGP champion. When you're a champion (especially a multiple time champion) you command a big salary. It's the same in all sports... Warrior's Steph Curry just signed a 5-year $201 million contract. Overpaid? I think not. Champions bring in money to your organization.

Actually agree with you on this one.

Both Rossi and Lorenzo have obviously demonstrated they are more than capable of winning titles given appropriate equipment, so the Ducati situation for both of them was/is at least bilateral, although I blame factors external to Ducati and both riders such as tires and capricious changes to same as well. The Ducati players who gave them their contracts either knew or were unaware of the foibles of their bike and either way bear responsibility for the signings.

Dovi is appropriately rewarded and definitely earning his money, but hasn't as yet demonstrated he can put together a premier class title winning season despite high calibre equipment including HRC factory team equipment, and a rider retired for over 4 years can still hop off his fishing boat and go close to matching him on the current Ducati.

Gaz · Jul 4, 2017

moto vudu said:
Both Rossi and Lorenzo are capable of riding around some short comings of the bike, but duc has issues the Japanese bikes do not. Ducati appears to be making positive progress, but they haven't designed a bike that's capable of winning at every circuit on the calendar.

Dovi isn't underpaid, he isn't a MotoGP champion. When you're a champion (especially a multiple time champion) you command a big salary. It's the same in all sports... Warrior's Steph Curry just signed a 5-year $201 million contract. Overpaid? I think not. Champions bring in money to your organization.

I feel dirty ........................... I agree wholeheartedly.

Have checked my temp ......... normal (and no Dubs, I did not use a rectal thermometer

).

Totally agree MV and would go further to say that as Rossi found out when he went back to Yamaha, if he fails to produce results his 'pulling power' in terms of salary is diminished as (from multiple reports), he returned for less salary than he was on when he left.

I do suspect however that Dovi's stocks are rising in terms that he is now the most successful rider, currently in MotoGP aside from the big 4 (JL, VR, MM & DP) and in a cluster of the next group in terms of race wins (MV, CC, Dovi), so he is getting to a 'show me the money level'.

birdman · Jul 4, 2017

Who highjacked MV's account?

Gaz · Jul 4, 2017

birdman said:
Who highjacked MV's account?

Now now, don't go starting any conspiracy theories

birdman · Jul 4, 2017

Gaz said:
Now now, don't go starting any conspiracy theories

Me, conspiracy theory? When have I ever.....................oh right never mind.

payne by name · Jul 4, 2017

I enjoyed this race and it was great to see Folger daring to 'bring it' to Marquez. Like Zarco I love seeing new riders that are prepared to drag themselves above the 'journeyman' status like Pedrosa and Crutchlow and actually demonstrate wanting to win.

I'd love to see Tech 3 win a race. Herve comes across as a great guy and I like the team spirit within the team that showed Zarco dumping his bike in the garage and then running along to Parc Ferme to congratulate Folger. Very impressive show of team spirit.

I was pleased that Vinales managed to claw something back but disappointed at Dovi. Yes, he's a good rider but ...... man he was leading the championship and that still didn't jack him up enough to really push himself.

I'm not doubting his talent but after his performance at Assen when he blasted into contention and then melted away and now this, I'm afraid he does seem to be waning back again. Maybe Ducati need to start threatening about contract negotiations as he always seems to raise his game then (just like Pedrosa).

I am disappointed in JLo. He has only been on the Ducati for less than a year so I think the comparisons to Dovi and Petrucci are a little unfair. However, I do take the point being made that if JLo is a class above Dovi, he should be able to grasp the bike quicker than they do.

I respect him a lot for fighting for so many years against a biased media and a team mate like Rossi but there is the feeling that when things aren't going his way, he will descend into a bit of a sulk. Maybe in the holidays he can de-stress with some cracking ..., a couple of leg rubs and maybe re-engage his competitive brain.

As for Rossi, well he still annoys me but I can't deny that he did well at Assen and continued to try in this race. For all his many faults, I cannot deny that the guy isn't a quitter.

Props to Marquez, he drove that Honda fast and was very complimentary to Folger in Parc Ferme. I do like him a lot more now and I guess for that I need to thank Rossi for being such a .... to him.

It is great for the championship to be so tight and I only hope that we can keep up this uncertain racing when we return after the break. I appreciate that the tires are throwing a spanner in the works but I can't deny that it is making the races pretty damn entertaining.

JPSLotus · Jul 4, 2017

birdman said:
Who highjacked MV's account?

I was thinking the same thing.

Has Christmas come in July?

Finally MV, you did it! That's not facetious or anything. Please do more of these posts...way more enjoyable to read.

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 4, 2017

JPSLotus said:
I was thinking the same thing.

Has Christmas come in July?

Finally MV, you did it! That's not facetious or anything. Please do more of these posts...way more enjoyable to read.

Say something nice about Stoner and everyone is on your D. You guys are just like boppers only worse.

JPSLotus · Jul 4, 2017

moto vudu said:
Both Rossi and Lorenzo are capable of riding around some short comings of the bike, but duc has issues the Japanese bikes do not. Ducati appears to be making positive progress, but they haven't designed a bike that's capable of winning at every circuit on the calendar.

Dovi isn't underpaid, he isn't a MotoGP champion. When you're a champion (especially a multiple time champion) you command a big salary. It's the same in all sports... Warrior's Steph Curry just signed a 5-year $201 million contract. Overpaid? I think not. Champions bring in money to your organization.

Agreed....as long as Ducati remains unwilling to give up the Desmo engine, I don't see them ever improving to a point where they can give Yamaha and Honda a serious run for their money. Something is probably going to come to a head with their engine design and packaging philosophy because I can't see this being a viable long-term solution now that we have two multi-world champions failing to make so much as an in-roads on their machines even though the current one is vastly improved over the final 800cc Ducati and first 1000cc Ducati.

On the conspiracy side I do wonder though if Gigi might have known this was all going to unfold the way it has for Lorenzo, and may use it as supporting evidence that they need to do a true overhaul of their engine design. While yes Dovi is doing well, a case could easily be made that it takes a rider 4 or 5 seasons to truly begin to come to terms with how to get speed out of the bike. Trying to rely on winglets and aero fairings is all well and good, but at the end of it there needs to be a solid foundation for the bike itself. If you need to make a convincing case to the corporate overlords, you can say paying $13 miillion would have been better spent on an engine redesign.

JPSLotus · Jul 4, 2017

MdubSTYLIE said:
Say something nice about Stoner and everyone is on your D. You guys are just like boppers only worse.

Worse?

Oh don't be so ....... dramatic Dublette.

Some of us like riders who aren't mugging for the camera like it's going out of style and are more concerned with riding than creating a cult of personality.

I don't recall any Stoner fan spitting on Rossi anyway.

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 4, 2017

JPSLotus said:
Worse?

Oh don't be so ....... dramatic Dublette.

Some of us like riders who aren't mugging for the camera like it's going out of style and are more concerned with riding than creating a cult of personality.

I don't recall any Stoner fan spitting on Rossi anyway.

One side pouts off endless love for a rider to the point its utterly annoying. The other spouts of hate at an even faster pace. You be the judge of which is more annoying.

Keshav · Jul 4, 2017

payne by name said:
I enjoyed this race and it was great to see Folger daring to 'bring it' to Marquez. Like Zarco I love seeing new riders that are prepared to drag themselves above the 'journeyman' status like Pedrosa and Crutchlow and actually demonstrate wanting to win.

I'd love to see Tech 3 win a race. Herve comes across as a great guy and I like the team spirit within the team that showed Zarco dumping his bike in the garage and then running along to Parc Ferme to congratulate Folger. Very impressive show of team spirit.

I was pleased that Vinales managed to claw something back but disappointed at Dovi. Yes, he's a good rider but ...... man he was leading the championship and that still didn't jack him up enough to really push himself.

I'm not doubting his talent but after his performance at Assen when he blasted into contention and then melted away and now this, I'm afraid he does seem to be waning back again. Maybe Ducati need to start threatening about contract negotiations as he always seems to raise his game then (just like Pedrosa).

I am disappointed in JLo. He has only been on the Ducati for less than a year so I think the comparisons to Dovi and Petrucci are a little unfair. However, I do take the point being made that if JLo is a class above Dovi, he should be able to grasp the bike quicker than they do.

I respect him a lot for fighting for so many years against a biased media and a team mate like Rossi but there is the feeling that when things aren't going his way, he will descend into a bit of a sulk. Maybe in the holidays he can de-stress with some cracking ..., a couple of leg rubs and maybe re-engage his competitive brain.

As for Rossi, well he still annoys me but I can't deny that he did well at Assen and continued to try in this race. For all his many faults, I cannot deny that the guy isn't a quitter.

Props to Marquez, he drove that Honda fast and was very complimentary to Folger in Parc Ferme. I do like him a lot more now and I guess for that I need to thank Rossi for being such a .... to him.

It is great for the championship to be so tight and I only hope that we can keep up this uncertain racing when we return after the break. I appreciate that the tires are throwing a spanner in the works but I can't deny that it is making the races pretty damn entertaining.

What makes you think that? Talk about riders who are not quitters; Dovi has perhaps the best work ethic of any rider in the paddock. He's been short-changed, screwed over and horse traded back and forth for ever, and he never loses his drive; he's incredibly consistent. Every rider has races where chassis set up isn't right or the tires just don't work with the bike or don't agree with the rider's style. The guy is under tremendous pressure to do well after his two wins and if anything, he has to be even more motivated than ever. Dovi was vomiting in his trailer hours before the first race he won this season. Why on earth would you think, with brimming confidence and good health that he would be slacking at this stage of the game?

SlartyBartFast · Jul 4, 2017

payne by name said:
I was pleased that Vinales managed to claw something back but disappointed at Dovi. Yes, he's a good rider but ...... man he was leading the championship and that still didn't jack him up enough to really push himself.

I'm not doubting his talent but after his performance at Assen when he blasted into contention and then melted away and now this, I'm afraid he does seem to be waning back again. Maybe Ducati need to start threatening about contract negotiations as he always seems to raise his game then (just like Pedrosa).

I think Dovi was pushing very hard at Assen. When the rain came he pulled the leaders back so quickly I thought he had it in the bag. Then the rain stopped and he dropped back. He was pushing.

JPSLotus · Jul 4, 2017

MdubSTYLIE said:
One side pouts off endless love for a rider to the point its utterly annoying. The other spouts of hate at an even faster pace. You be the judge of which is more annoying.

lol what? Dub, no one was even talking about Stoner and you bring him up yet again...then you start going on about this. Making mountains out of molehills.

MdubSTYLIE · Jul 4, 2017

JPSLotus said:
lol what? Dub, no one was even talking about Stoner and you bring him up yet again...then you start going on about this. Making mountains out of molehills.

My first was response to you was in direct response to someone mentioning stoner so you are incorrect. I'm not making mountains out of it just pointing out the obvious.

povol · Jul 4, 2017

payne by name said:
I enjoyed this race and it was great to see Folger daring to 'bring it' to Marquez. Like Zarco I love seeing new riders that are prepared to drag themselves above the 'journeyman' status like Pedrosa and Crutchlow and actually demonstrate wanting to win.

I'd love to see Tech 3 win a race. Herve comes across as a great guy and I like the team spirit within the team that showed Zarco dumping his bike in the garage and then running along to Parc Ferme to congratulate Folger. Very impressive show of team spirit.

I was pleased that Vinales managed to claw something back but disappointed at Dovi. Yes, he's a good rider but ...... man he was leading the championship and that still didn't jack him up enough to really push himself.

I'm not doubting his talent but after his performance at Assen when he blasted into contention and then melted away and now this, I'm afraid he does seem to be waning back again. Maybe Ducati need to start threatening about contract negotiations as he always seems to raise his game then (just like Pedrosa).

I am disappointed in JLo. He has only been on the Ducati for less than a year so I think the comparisons to Dovi and Petrucci are a little unfair. However, I do take the point being made that if JLo is a class above Dovi, he should be able to grasp the bike quicker than they do.

I respect him a lot for fighting for so many years against a biased media and a team mate like Rossi but there is the feeling that when things aren't going his way, he will descend into a bit of a sulk. Maybe in the holidays he can de-stress with some cracking ..., a couple of leg rubs and maybe re-engage his competitive brain.

As for Rossi, well he still annoys me but I can't deny that he did well at Assen and continued to try in this race. For all his many faults, I cannot deny that the guy isn't a quitter.

Props to Marquez, he drove that Honda fast and was very complimentary to Folger in Parc Ferme. I do like him a lot more now and I guess for that I need to thank Rossi for being such a .... to him.

It is great for the championship to be so tight and I only hope that we can keep up this uncertain racing when we return after the break. I appreciate that the tires are throwing a spanner in the works but I can't deny that it is making the races pretty damn entertaining.

Yep, Dovi achieved his lifelong dream of leading the championship and layed down. The lack of understanding how this sport works is amusing.

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