Formula 1 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]81589[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Turns out Yamamoto was the highest bidder

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61146

I hope he does a good job, but I think Sutil will show him the way

Also think Sutil will be the better one, but I would love to be wrong though. Guess we'll find out...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 26 2007, 08:14 PM) [snapback]81590[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well sorry I wont say such negative things anymore (except about a certain Honda driver)

It's ok, who knows, maybe he'll win a title before he retires (Kimi I mean).

I would ask you which Honda driver you mean, but I have a feeling I already know who it is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 26 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]81590[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well sorry I wont say such negative things anymore (except about a certain Honda driver)

Did Button abuse you when you were a child or something?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]81592[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Did Button abuse you when you were a child or something?


No, but i am fed up of hearing him moan and blame everything else for his performance. To talk crap aboout your equipment publicly he first needs to drive the beyond what it should be capable of and then he needs to beat his team mate (who isn't that good either), and even then he could do it in a more respectful way.

The most interesting thing he provides us with these days is he and DC racing back to the pits as soon as possible after the race start to battle for Louise Goodman's affection!

It's difficult to say this year. He and Rubens have been pretty much neck and neck in terms of performance. I don't think he's doing a terrible job, then again not a brilliant one either, but in an uncompetetive car it's so difficult to tell. If Honda give him a race winning car, he might challenge for the title one year soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 07:32 PM) [snapback]81597[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's difficult to say this year. He and Rubens have been pretty much neck and neck in terms of performance. I don't think he's doing a terrible job, then again not a brilliant one either, but in an uncompetetive car it's so difficult to tell. If Honda give him a race winning car, he might challenge for the title one year soon.


Hes not gonna win a world championship unless he finds some kind of edge. He is a good driver without a doubt, but hes nothing more, a very middle of the road kind of guy. The only word i can think of to sum him up is .................................. medium

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 26 2007, 07:40 PM) [snapback]81600[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hes not gonna win a world championship unless he finds some kind of edge. He is a good driver without a doubt, but hes nothing more, a very middle of the road kind of guy. The only word i can think of to sum hip up is .............................. medium

I think he's not dissimilar to Prost, in that his edge could be his smooth style, conserving tyres and brakes so he's better prepared towards the end of the race. I do agree, he's not as spectacular as drivers like Kimi or Hamilton, but that doesn't mean over a race distance he's not as quick. Not bad in quali too, his pole lap at Albert Park last year was awesome.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]81603[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think he's not dissimilar to Prost, in that his edge could be his smooth style, conserving tyres and brakes so he's better prepared towards the end of the race. I do agree, he's not as spectacular as drivers like Kimi or Hamilton, but that doesn't mean over a race distance he's not as quick. Not bad in quali too, his pole lap at Albert Park last year was awesome.

This is Jenson button we are talking about, so i think you'll find it was medium

Seriously though i dont think hes crap i just like to take the piss because hes underperforming and i don't especialy like him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 26 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]81605[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This is Jenson button we are talking about, so i think you'll find it was medium

Seriously though i dont think hes crap i just like to take the piss because hes underperforming and i don't especialy like him.

Bloody hell mate I'd never have guessed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 08:32 PM) [snapback]81597[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's difficult to say this year. He and Rubens have been pretty much neck and neck in terms of performance. I don't think he's doing a terrible job, then again not a brilliant one either, but in an uncompetetive car it's so difficult to tell. If Honda give him a race winning car, he might challenge for the title one year soon.

That's not true actually if you look at the statistics:

Quali: Barrichello leads 6-4
Race: Barrichello leads 8-2

I don't call that ''neck and neck''.
In quali they are pretty even, I agree, but in the races, where it counts, Rubens is leading comfortably. On a positive note (for jense) Rubens has 0 points, and JB has 1 point!! Jense had 3 DNFs this season, and Rubinho only one, still Button should be doing a better job. I have to say I expected more from him. I really thought Jense would beat Rubens, so far that hasn't been the case.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]81603[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think he's not dissimilar to Prost, in that his edge could be his smooth style, conserving tyres and brakes so he's better prepared towards the end of the race. I do agree, he's not as spectacular as drivers like Kimi or Hamilton, but that doesn't mean over a race distance he's not as quick. Not bad in quali too, his pole lap at Albert Park last year was awesome.

True maybe, but if he was that good, a top team would have signed him. I agree he's a smooth driver, but so far that didn't bring him a lot. I hope, for his sake, Honda will improve, cause he should be driving in the points.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Jul 26 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]81611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's not true actually if you look at the statistics:

Quali: Barrichello leads 6-4
Race: Barrichello leads 8-2

I don't call that ''neck and neck''.
In quali they are pretty even, I agree, but in the races, where it counts, Rubens is leading comfortably. On a positive note (for jense) Rubens has 0 points, and JB has 1 point!! Jense had 3 DNFs this season, and Rubinho only one, still Button should be doing a better job. I have to say I expected more from him. I really thought Jense would beat Rubens, so far that hasn't been the case.
True maybe, but if he was that good, a top team would have signed him. I agree he's a smooth driver, but so far that didn't bring him a lot. I hope, for his sake, Honda will improve, cause he should be driving in the points.

The statistics are only half the story. They'd be alot closer in the race results had it not been for a few unlucky retirements. Canada for example, the transmission broke before he even got off the line, so Barrichello won on that occasion pretty much by default. In Australia he had a drive through penalty which pretty much cost him any chance of a decent result. At the Nurburgring he was in fourth, before like half the field he crashed out. Despite what the statistics say, imo he's the one thats shown to be quicker driver, just not the most consistent.

I don't think thats nessecarily true. Plenty of good drivers with a lot of potential never get signed by a top team. Heidfelt, for example, is probably one of the best drivers on the grid, but neither McLaren or Ferrari have shown an interest, certainly not recently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Jul 26 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]81611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's not true actually if you look at the statistics:

Quali: Barrichello leads 6-4
Race: Barrichello leads 8-2

I don't call that ''neck and neck''.
In quali they are pretty even, I agree, but in the races, where it counts, Rubens is leading comfortably. On a positive note (for jense) Rubens has 0 points, and JB has 1 point!! Jense had 3 DNFs this season, and Rubinho only one, still Button should be doing a better job. I have to say I expected more from him. I really thought Jense would beat Rubens, so far that hasn't been the case.
True maybe, but if he was that good, a top team would have signed him. I agree he's a smooth driver, but so far that didn't bring him a lot. I hope, for his sake, Honda will improve, cause he should be driving in the points.

The statistics are only half the story. They'd be alot closer in the race results had it not been for a few unlucky retirements. Canada for example, the transmission broke before he even got off the line, so Barrichello won on that occasion pretty much by default. In Australia he had a drive through penalty which pretty much cost him any chance of a decent result. At the Nurburgring he was in fourth, before like half the field he crashed out. Despite what the statistics say, imo he's the one thats shown to be quicker driver, just not the most consistent.

I don't think thats nessecarily true. Plenty of good drivers with a lot of potential never get signed by a top team. Heidfelt, for example, is probably one of the best drivers on the grid, but neither McLaren or Ferrari have shown an interest, certainly not recently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 09:28 PM) [snapback]81628[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Heidfelt, for example, is probably one of the best drivers on the grid, but neither McLaren or Ferrari have shown an interest, certainly not recently.


Thats because both teams have two drivers that are better than him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Jul 26 2007, 09:33 PM) [snapback]81630[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats because both teams have two drivers that are better than him.

It's very easy to say that when Heidfelt has never had a race opportunity in a McLaren or Ferrari. IMO, his results this year in an inferior car show he could potentially match the leaders given the right equipment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 09:37 PM) [snapback]81633[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It's very easy to say that when Heidfelt has never had a race opportunity in a McLaren or Ferrari. IMO, his results this year in an inferior car show he could potentially match the leaders given the right equipment.


I am not convinced that Nick is as good as even Massa, definitely not the other 3. Hes quick for sure, but i don't think hes got that extra bit that the championship contenders have

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]81628[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The statistics are only half the story. They'd be alot closer in the race results had it not been for a few unlucky retirements. Canada for example, the transmission broke before he even got off the line, so Barrichello won on that occasion pretty much by default. In Australia he had a drive through penalty which pretty much cost him any chance of a decent result. At the Nurburgring he was in fourth, before like half the field he crashed out. Despite what the statistics say, imo he's the one thats shown to be quicker driver, just not the most consistent.
In the end people look at the statistics. That's just the way it is. I know another driver who is quick, but maybe not the most consistent one, I dont think I need to say his name Consistency is what matters, and the unlucky failures are all part of racing. Of course there are always reasons for the failures, but so far we can only say Rubens beat him 8 out of 10 times in the races, whether it was Button's fault or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]81628[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't think thats nessecarily true. Plenty of good drivers with a lot of potential never get signed by a top team. Heidfelt, for example, is probably one of the best drivers on the grid, but neither McLaren or Ferrari have shown an interest, certainly not recently.

Heidfeld is a very good driver indeed, but the two mentioned teams already have a great line-up, so no need for them to sign him, simple as that. If Button ever wants to get into a better team, he first has to start beating Barrichello.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Jul 26 2007, 09:51 PM) [snapback]81636[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
In the end people look at the statistics. That's just the way it is. I know another driver who is quick, but maybe not the most consistent one, I dont think I need to say his name Consistency is what matters, and the unlucky failures are all part of racing. Of course there are always reasons for the failures, but so far we can only say Rubens beat him 8 out of 10 times in the races, whether it was Button's fault or not.
Heidfeld is a very good driver indeed, but the two mentioned teams already have a great line-up, so no need for them to sign him, simple as that. If Button ever wants to get into a better team, he first has to start beating Barrichello.

The statistics say Alonso was the quicker driver in 2005, but most people will say that wasn't the case. How many times have you heard people talking about the unlucky failures that Raikkonen had that year? So I'll respectfully disagree on that one, I don't think people just look at the statistics, theres alot more to it than that.

And this is the point. It's been said in this very thread that Button needs to get himself in a competetive car to have a chance at the title. But those opportunities are so rare in Formula One, you have to be in the right place at the right time. IMO, Jenson should stay with Honda, they have a big budget and alot of potential, if he's patient the results should come.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]81637[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The statistics say Alonso was the quicker driver in 2005, but most people will say that wasn't the case. How many times have you heard people talking about the unlucky failures that Raikkonen had that year? So I'll respectfully disagree on that one, I don't think people just look at the statistics, theres alot more to it than that.

Well of course. But in the end the statistics matter. Alonso 2 titles, Kimi zero, some might say Raikkonen was better that season, maybe he was, but he never stood a chance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Orrmate @ Jul 26 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]81637[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And this is the point. It's been said in this very thread that Button needs to get himself in a competetive car to have a chance at the title. But those opportunities are so rare in Formula One, you have to be in the right place at the right time. IMO, Jenson should stay with Honda, they have a big budget and alot of potential, if he's patient the results should come.

Yeah, IF he's patient. A while ago I read that Button might leave Honda if they wont improve. So..they better improve!!!

Provisional 2008 calendar:

16 March Australia
23 March Malaysia
6 April Bahrain
27 April Spain
11 May Turkey
25 May Monaco
8 June Canada
22 June France
6 July Great Britain
20 July Germany
3 August Hungary
24 August Europe
7 September Italy
14 September Belgium
28 September Singapore
12 October China
19 October Japan
2 November Brazil

Indy out, Valencia and Singapour in!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Franco Fangio @ Jul 26 2007, 11:16 PM) [snapback]81653[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well of course. But in the end the statistics matter. Alonso 2 titles, Kimi zero, some might say Raikkonen was better that season, maybe he was, but he never stood a chance.



Exactly, the point is that no matter what you try to read into the situation one guy gets it done and the other doesn't, at the end of the day nothing else matters.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Jul 27 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]81729[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Provisional 2008 calendar:

16 March Australia
23 March Malaysia
6 April Bahrain
27 April Spain
11 May Turkey
25 May Monaco
8 June Canada
22 June France
6 July Great Britain
20 July Germany
3 August Hungary
24 August Europe
7 September Italy
14 September Belgium
28 September Singapore
12 October China
19 October Japan
2 November Brazil

Indy out, Valencia and Singapour in!


Oh yes I know...and with the motogp calendar also out, I'm planning my 2008 as early as now...might have to set a whole month off from work

Fernando Alonso.... Grade-A Prick!

Can't he win on track without having to resorting to blocking a TEAMMATE on a quali run?

I've lost my respect for this guy all at once.