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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 16 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was chatting to my brother today about Lewis and how impressive he seems to be, and then we got to wondering if any of you guys know how many times a rookie has won the world championship, and when?

If anyone knows that'd rock.
No, never happened before (not counting Guiseppe Farina who won the F1 title back in 1950 driving the Alfa Romeo).

Lewis can break a lot of records this season and the rest of his career (if he continues this way obviously). He already set some records!!

He could become the youngest F1 champion ever, atm that's his teammate.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 16 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, never happened before (not counting Guiseppe Farina who won the F1 title back in 1950 driving the Alfa Romeo).

Lewis can break a lot of records this season and the rest of his career (if he continues this way obviously). He already set some records!!

He could become the youngest F1 champion ever, atm that's his teammate.

Sweet, thanks for the help. Now try this one.

I thought that an engine change resulted in some kind of punishment, like a time penalty or back of the grid or whatever but nothing has happened about Lewis' change overnight, whats the deal?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 16 2007, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sweet, thanks for the help. Now try this one.

I thought that an engine change resulted in some kind of punishment, like a time penalty or back of the grid or whatever but nothing has happened about Lewis' change overnight, whats the deal?
Did he have an engine change then???
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I didn't hear he had an engine change..

If someone has an engine change they do get punished, they get a 10 place penalty on the grid.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 16 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did he have an engine change then???
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I didn't hear he had an engine change..

If someone has an engine change they do get punished, they get a 10 place penalty on the grid.

Well he said his engine was changed overnight due to a problem, but our presenters didn't really mention it, and no websites i can find really make anything of it or even suggest it will have consequences. I am confused
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 16 2007, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well he said his engine was changed overnight due to a problem, but our presenters didn't really mention it, and no websites i can find really make anything of it or even suggest it will have consequences. I am confused
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I'm confused as well!!!!

I didn't read it on any of the sites and also didn't hear them say it, so I have no idea..???
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Anyway, did you guys see the press conference?? They didn't show it over here? Can someone maybe tell me what Lewis said..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 16 2007, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm confused as well!!!!

I didn't read it on any of the sites and also didn't hear them say it, so I have no idea..???
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Anyway, did you guys see the press conference?? They didn't show it over here? Can someone maybe tell me what Lewis said..

I didn't find all of it but most of his interview is in this article.
 
And indeed, in that article:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Hamilton, whose engine was changed ahead of today's practice following a problem on Friday, said he was happier with his second pole than he was with the first one.

Whats going on there?!
 
Ok guys..I looked it up, apparently this is the rule:

''The engine penalty will now only apply in the second day of the grand prix weekends. Any engine change in the first day will not be penalised''

So, if they changed his engine last night, it won't result in the 10 place penalty!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 16 2007, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok guys..I looked it up, apparently this is the rule:

''The engine penalty will now only apply in the second day of the grand prix weekends. Any engine change in the first day will not be penalised''

So, if they changed his engine last night, it won't result in the 10 place penalty!!!

Thanks for that, my mind is at ease now
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 16 2007, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for that, my mind is at ease now
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Well, that was my aim..obviously!!!
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Anyway guys, who do you think will win tomorrow??

I personally don't see anyone other than FA or LH win tomorrow.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 16 2007, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Well, that was my aim..obviously!!!
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Anyway guys, who do you think will win tomorrow??

I personally don't see anyone other than FA or LH win tomorrow.

My money is on FA to be honest i think hes gonna take it, but Mclaren are definately the team to beat.
 
I hate the 10-place penalty rule anyway, IMO its unfair to punish a driver for a mechanical failure before the race has even begun. I think the answer could be to limit the drivers to 10 nominated engines for the season to be used in race weekends, which are only allowed rebuilds after so many miles.

About Lewis, his debut is very impressive, but lets not forget Jacques Villeneuve did similar things in his first season, got pole in his first GP and won his fourth, and went on to win three more that season. And look where his career ended up. I'm not saying Lewis will be subjected to the same fate, I'm just saying maybe we're getting a bit too carried away, even though its hard not to with a debut season like this one.
 
Didn't see qualifying, know the result, Hamilton will win!

From what I see, he's got the better of Fernando psychologically already.

From a self proclaimed Lewis cheerleader! This chap is special, and British! Go on boy!
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^ Indeed a great drive from LH go go go... Nice drive from Vettel also who is standing in for Kubica.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate the 10-place penalty rule anyway, IMO its unfair to punish a driver for a mechanical failure before the race has even begun. I think the answer could be to limit the drivers to 10 nominated engines for the season to be used in race weekends, which are only allowed rebuilds after so many miles.
It's unfair indeed. I really don't get this rule!!!! But then again F1 is becoming more and more of a joke anyway
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Ok, that's not entirely true, but I can't understand why they have this rule, it's so obvious to see that it's not fair at all. This way they already decide the result of the race (to some extend anyway..)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About Lewis, his debut is very impressive, but lets not forget Jacques Villeneuve did similar things in his first season, got pole in his first GP and won his fourth, and went on to win three more that season. And look where his career ended up. I'm not saying Lewis will be subjected to the same fate, I'm just saying maybe we're getting a bit too carried away, even though its hard not to with a debut season like this one.
I agree we shouldn't get carried away, but Hamilton is really really good. I remember watching some of his GP2 races last season, and he did an amazing job there as well. He's not only extremely talented, he has the self belief as well, AND he seems to be a hard worker. And the guy is ONLY 22, how much better will he get??? He has the potential to become a real great one, that wasn't the case with Villeneuve. JV did a very good job as well, but to be honest I never thought he was that great. Nice he took the title in 97, but he could have lost it as well, MS almost won that season while having NOT the best car, but then again, MS is just one of a kind!!! I think Lewis has more potential than JV ever had, but that's just my opinion, let's wait and see what the future will bring!!!

I hope Mr. Drunk driver will win today, but I think McLaren has the upper hand atm, so I think it will be either Lewis or Fernando.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 17 2007, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's unfair indeed. I really don't get this rule!!!! But then again F1 is becoming more and more of a joke anyway
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Ok, that's not entirely true, but I can't understand why they have this rule, it's so obvious to see that it's not fair at all. This way they already decide the result of the race (to some extend anyway..)
I agree we shouldn't get carried away, but Hamilton is really really good. I remember watching some of his GP2 races last season, and he did an amazing job there as well. He's not only extremely talented, he has the self belief as well, AND he seems to be a hard worker. And the guy is ONLY 22, how much better will he get??? He has the potential to become a real great one, that wasn't the case with Villeneuve. JV did a very good job as well, but to be honest I never thought he was that great. Nice he took the title in 97, but he could have lost it as well, MS almost won that season while having NOT the best car, but then again, MS is just one of a kind!!! I think Lewis has more potential than JV ever had, but that's just my opinion, let's wait and see what the future will bring!!!

I hope Mr. Drunk driver will win today, but I think McLaren has the upper hand atm, so I think it will be either Lewis or Fernando.
I dunno about JV not having potential, I always thought he did but just lost his way somewhere. IMO, anyone who wins their fourth GP is very, very talented.

I agree, Hamiltons performances in GP2 were very impressive, but again, lets not get carried away. I remember Liuzzi ruled the roost in F3000 a few years ago, but his performances haven't neccesarily translated into F1. I personally think he has already reached about 90% of his potential. The cars are supposedly alot easier to master than they used to be, so I don't even think its a case of adapting for Lewis anymore. Next year, I think he will have more trouble. I'm expecting BMW to come good in 2008 with Heidfelt and Kubica coming to the fore, and I think Alonso and Raikkonen might rediscover their form, I have a feeling Lewis will have an off year, it happens to most drivers at some point. Although I don't know why Im talking about next year
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Lets face it, how many rookies get a chance in a car as good as this years McLaren? Its entirely possible that given the same chance, guys like Nico Rosberg and Robert Kubica would have done similar things.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I dunno about JV not having potential, I always thought he did but just lost his way somewhere. IMO, anyone who wins their fourth GP is very, very talented.
For sure JV did have potential, that's what I said, I only think Lewis has more potential, there's a difference between that.
I think anyone who's in F1 has some kind of talent, otherwise they wouldn't be there, simple as that. So obviously they can all drive, and if you have the most dominant car, like JV had in 1996, then it's not a shock to see him win a race, that being said, it was a great accomplishment for sure. I never rated JV that high, he always loved to talk a lot, but after 96 and 97 he didn't exactly showed a lot on track, of course that has to with having a good car or not, but I remember him being a bit arrogant (cause he was a former champ) and then he got beaten by Button in 2003 if I'm correct. He was good in those two years (96,97), but he never showed great stuff when he didn't have a good car.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree, Hamiltons performances in GP2 were very impressive, but again, lets not get carried away. I remember Liuzzi ruled the roost in F3000 a few years ago, but his performances haven't neccesarily translated into F1. I personally think he has already reached about 90% of his potential. The cars are supposedly alot easier to master than they used to be, so I don't even think its a case of adapting for Lewis anymore. Next year, I think he will have more trouble. I'm expecting BMW to come good in 2008 with Heidfelt and Kubica coming to the fore, and I think Alonso and Raikkonen might rediscover their form, I have a feeling Lewis will have an off year, it happens to most drivers at some point. Although I don't know why Im talking about next year
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Also have no idea why you're talking next year Orr
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Nowadays it's indeed easier to drive a F1 car than it was in the past, that's a fact, so for sure now it's easier to adapt than it was before. Still it's not easy, but easier than in the past.

I can't tell whether Lewis has reached 90% or not, but if NOT, then his opponents should be scared, cause it seems the guy doesn't make too many mistakes (so far haven't seen one, but we only had 6 races). I think there are many reasons why people ''get carried away''. They guy is talented (yes they all are talented to enter f1, but some people are just born with a talent). He seems to not care whether he has a double world champion as his teammate, he's not scared to beat him, he's not arrogant, he is very determined to reach his goal (winning!!). And he has proved he can be a winner (not talking about f1, but about his pre-f1 career). And so far he has been able to cope with the pressure, and...he's leading the championship. All these things make him so good!! I can't tell what will happen in the future, but he seems to be on a good way to become the youngest champion ever, he doesn't even have to do it this year, but he has a big chance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets face it, how many rookies get a chance in a car as good as this years McLaren? Its entirely possible that given the same chance, guys like Nico Rosberg and Robert Kubica would have done similar things.
Yeah, we could say that guys like them ''could have done IF'' but that's not the case, so we will never know. Fact is, Lewis is driving for Mclaren, of course you have to be a bit lucky to enter F1 and drive the best car on the grid, but sometimes you're just that lucky. When I say ''lucky'' I'm not talking about him getting the chance to drive for Mclaren, he obviously has proven he is good enough to deserve that seat, with lucky I mean, he has the best car on the grid, that indeed doesn't happen too often.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Franco Fangio @ Jun 17 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't tell whether Lewis has reached 90% or not, but if NOT, then his opponents should be scared, cause it seems the guy doesn't make too many mistakes (so far haven't seen one, but we only had 6 races). I think there are many reasons why people ''get carried away''. They guy is talented (yes they all are talented to enter f1, but some people are just born with a talent). He seems to not care whether he has a double world champion as his teammate, he's not scared to beat him, he's not arrogant, he is very determined to reach his goal (winning!!). And he has proved he can be a winner (not talking about f1, but about his pre-f1 career). And so far he has been able to cope with the pressure, and...he's leading the championship. All these things make him so good!! I can't tell what will happen in the future, but he seems to be on a good way to become the youngest champion ever, he doesn't even have to do it this year, but he has a big chance.
Bloody hell, you talk as if ive not being watching F1 this season
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Yes, I am aware of all those things. I have said before, his biggest strength is definetely mentally. All I'm saying is, I think there are a few guys out there who will be able to take the fight to him in the future. Rosberg and Kubica as I've already mentioned, and then I think Massa is only going to improve (people forget he's only 26, that is if my maths are correct). I know its easy to jump on the bandwagon with a debut like this one, but I prefer to keep my feet grounded. Don't get me wrong, its obvious he's an extremely rare talent, but I'll wait another couple of years to see how he goes on.

Why should his opponents be scared? Its all about self-belief in this game, and if they let a driver get into their head or become scared then they've got no chance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bloody hell, you talk as if ive not being watching F1 this season
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I'm talking this way, just to make sure we don't have those ''misunderstandings'' like we have had in the past
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I am aware of all those things. I have said before, his biggest strength is definetely mentally. All I'm saying is, I think there are a few guys out there who will be able to take the fight to him in the future. Rosberg and Kubica as I've already mentioned, and then I think Massa is only going to improve (people forget he's only 26, that is if my maths are correct). I know its easy to jump on the bandwagon with a debut like this one, but I prefer to keep my feet grounded. Don't get me wrong, its obvious he's an extremely rare talent, but I'll wait another couple of years to see how he goes on.
Well yeah, I'm pretty sure of that. He's not god (or maybe he is
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), for sure there are gonna be opponents out there who will beat him at times. That's inevitble and that's racing. I also think people like Kubica and Rosberg might be real contenders to him. Maybe also Piquet Jr. when he will be a F1 driver. I remember Nelson and Lewis had some nice battles in GP2.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Jun 17 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why should his opponents be scared?Its all about self-belief in this game, and if they let a driver get into their head or become scared then they've got no chance.
Exactly!!!
But also about talent, and he seems to be extremely talented (but so are others).
 
LEWIS DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Still no mistakes from the young Brit!! This time he won by beating Alonso in a straight fight, no SC situations or other things happening. I loved it when he blocked Alonso when FA tried to overtake him, well done Lewis!!!
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Now he's leading with 10 points. I think what makes it even more great is that he didn't even know this track, guess he's just a fast learner!! Alonso tried his best, it wasn't enough.

Ferrari was NO match for McLaren at all, they really need to get their act together if they want to turn it around. Massa did a good job today, staying ahead of Raikkonen. At least HE HAD a good start, Kimi didn't, and that made the difference. IF KR had a better start he would have probably finished in 3rd place, but he didn't!!! It was nice to see them close though.

I have to say Heikki and Vettel did a good job today as well. Great to see Heikki perform better than Giancarlo!! And must be an amazing feeling for Vettel to score a point in his first race ever.
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