Fall out from the loss of Marco Simoncelli
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I'm bemused on how climate change was even mentioned............however without trying to be a fence sitter I tend to agree with Bunyip AND the other guys that posted in response to his post.
Would you be less harsh or find it more acceptable if Bunyip posted his opinions in a couple of weeks time?
Bunyip does bring up quite a few valid points, I have to admit however I haven't read anything questioning Rossi's sexuallity (though it should not be an issue anyway).
When is it not "too soon" to be posting these sort of comments?
Just my POV
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Gecko
Would you be less harsh or find it more acceptable if Bunyip posted his opinions in a couple of weeks time?
Bunyip does bring up quite a few valid points, I have to admit however I haven't read anything questioning Rossi's sexuallity (though it should not be an issue anyway).
When is it not "too soon" to be posting these sort of comments?
Just my POV
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Gecko
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Thanks baz.
Bikergirl said on the other thread dovi had gone to the family's house with valentino, so perhaps many of them went for the funeral and stoner was among those on the plane and was mentioned in the gpone report because he is the world champion.
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I was also wondering if they had Adriana accompany Kate, to some extent ........ both umbrella girls and women attached to riders, etc.
It could also be possible that its all being kept a bit quiet as the last thing they would want is some of the stuff that commonly gets bandied around by some of the fanbase. Hence why it is a fairly private funeral I guess.
Sure, I hadn't thought of that, they may well be friends, similar age, on the circuit together this year and perhaps the last 2 years etc.
Bunyip I understood your post.
I too have noticed the rewriting of history.
I have also been sickened by the over doing of the RIP stuff. But then I almost daily think of the 100,000's of people that have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan needlessly by the axis of terror that is the OZ, US and UK governments yet not a single one of those people get even a shred of sympathy. I worry about our solders who are committing crimes against humanity daily and what it does to their psyche.
I was of course saddened by the death of Sic but my grief ended within 24 hrs as my thoughts reflected back to all the people that die every day for just living in a place that has something we want and never get to live their dreams. Sic got to live his dream before he died and that makes me smile.
I too have noticed the rewriting of history.
I have also been sickened by the over doing of the RIP stuff. But then I almost daily think of the 100,000's of people that have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan needlessly by the axis of terror that is the OZ, US and UK governments yet not a single one of those people get even a shred of sympathy. I worry about our solders who are committing crimes against humanity daily and what it does to their psyche.
I was of course saddened by the death of Sic but my grief ended within 24 hrs as my thoughts reflected back to all the people that die every day for just living in a place that has something we want and never get to live their dreams. Sic got to live his dream before he died and that makes me smile.
I see your point Mental but its far easy to mourn someone you feel you know and like than it is to mourn a faceless soldier fighting a war thats illegal. The mourning for the soldiers and victims of these wars for me is overshadowed by the selfish ....... governments that caused the war(s) in the first place, i dont feel sorrow, i feel anger.
All true, as is spooky's post which follows yours as well.
As far as the forum goes it might perhaps not be a bad idea to wait for the behaviour etc which offended/offends to be repeated before perpetuating the cycle though.
OMG. I tought you guys were busy training in the Taliban camps or at least throwing stones at police in wall street?
I have typed a number of replies to Bunny's post only to find me deleting them as they simply do not read or convey my real feelings, but hopefully this one will.
Bunny, I do not see any issue with the posts of Talpa or others who have commented about their need to apologise for any past criticisms of riders.
Instead, I see people (as Talps was not the first such comment) who through this tragedy are realising that no matter what we say or think about a rider, it is insignificant given what these riders are putting on the line each and every day only for us to often be overly critical.
Talpa's post was genuine and was not point scoring, and I say as a regular combatant of his that I appreciated the honesty and candour in the comment that seems to have so irked.
As an individual I have admired those making such comments as it shows that in periods of reflection, we sometimes realise that we ourselves are far from perfect and yet we expect and even demand perfection in others.
Gaz
Bunny, I do not see any issue with the posts of Talpa or others who have commented about their need to apologise for any past criticisms of riders.
Instead, I see people (as Talps was not the first such comment) who through this tragedy are realising that no matter what we say or think about a rider, it is insignificant given what these riders are putting on the line each and every day only for us to often be overly critical.
Talpa's post was genuine and was not point scoring, and I say as a regular combatant of his that I appreciated the honesty and candour in the comment that seems to have so irked.
As an individual I have admired those making such comments as it shows that in periods of reflection, we sometimes realise that we ourselves are far from perfect and yet we expect and even demand perfection in others.
Gaz
I feel anger too.
I feel sorry for people with their head in the sand who still believe that our 'democratic' society and its capitalism crutch is a success. I can understand the reason for keeping your head in the sand because understanding it's complete failure is confronting. It is just like MotoGP in that as the failure becomes more and more noticeable we keep throwing more and more rules at it as if we believe that doing more and more of the same will somehow generate a different result.
And I feel sorry for people who always see the half empty glass: Our democracy is not perfect, but would you instead go and live in one of the countries you probably admire re. north korea or iran?
and to say that our governments/army killed all these people in Iraq is pure treasom. 99% of the civilians killed there have been killed by their fellow lunatic citizens. You are the one who is trying to rewrite history.
Paolo arrived at the scene of the crash as Marco was being lifted onto a stretcher and carried to the ambulance. He says he had called to his son, but Marco was already dead. He says he also bears no ill will to the bearers, who fumbled the stretcher on their way to the ambulance.
"I was thereabouts, but Marco was dead already. I was 10 metres away, but Marco was already dead, it changed nothing.
"I helped them: when they got back up and passed the stretcher over to my side of the guard rail I took the stretcher to place it in the ambulance and held Marco's hand and called him 'Ciao Marco', but he was gone already.
"There was nothing that could be done. Nothing would have changed in that case. As for the rest, maybe more (attention) is needed, but these people try to do their best, so it's useless... But in our case Marco died on impact.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95668
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Although Marco's father has no hard feelings against those marshals, but i think motogp can and should learn a few lessons out of this especially as others mentioned in this thread this isn't the first time.
"I was thereabouts, but Marco was dead already. I was 10 metres away, but Marco was already dead, it changed nothing.
"I helped them: when they got back up and passed the stretcher over to my side of the guard rail I took the stretcher to place it in the ambulance and held Marco's hand and called him 'Ciao Marco', but he was gone already.
"There was nothing that could be done. Nothing would have changed in that case. As for the rest, maybe more (attention) is needed, but these people try to do their best, so it's useless... But in our case Marco died on impact.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95668
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Although Marco's father has no hard feelings against those marshals, but i think motogp can and should learn a few lessons out of this especially as others mentioned in this thread this isn't the first time.
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As this is the "fallout" thread, I thought I'd post this article here. And while I'm at it, I'd like to say, people have many takes, opinions, and ways of coping, given the recent death of Sic, most have been measured which has been relieving to me. I think this thread shows that there are various aspects to be explored about the incident itself, ourselves, the ways of a forum, and the community at large. Here is an article from the outer stretches of this spectra. Btw, my first reaction was to lambast this person, but then I took a few more reflective moments in thought, and found myself exploring some of the thoughts expressed while others were filed under other areas. I hope we all take the measured approach.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/race-fans-deny-their-inner-ghoul/story-fn56az2q-1226176644011?sv=54caaf8f0d575b901d9892ad67fa3908
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/race-fans-deny-their-inner-ghoul/story-fn56az2q-1226176644011?sv=54caaf8f0d575b901d9892ad67fa3908
OK I went back and looked at the thread title and yes..it still reads 'fall out from the loss of Marco Simoncelli'. So I can't see what a good few of the posts on here are doing here. Surely you can take your little bicker to the Lounge?
By all means, posts about how the rescue was carried out, how the ambulance should have been on track, how the helicopter should have been on site etc etc belong here. Talk about soldiers in afghanistan, valiant as they may be, does not. This is a MotoGP forum, and this, specifically is the MotoGP thread. Space for discussing that kind of thing is kindly provided elsewhere on here.
The thing that should unite us all on here is love for the bike in general, and motorbike racing in particular.
I first joined this site looking for like minded people the weekend that Gibernau bowled half the field out of action in Catalunya in 2006 and I thought, for a while there, that Marco (melandri) was going to go racing in the championship in the sky.
Unfortunately it is exactly this sort of sht that drove me away from here.
By all means, posts about how the rescue was carried out, how the ambulance should have been on track, how the helicopter should have been on site etc etc belong here. Talk about soldiers in afghanistan, valiant as they may be, does not. This is a MotoGP forum, and this, specifically is the MotoGP thread. Space for discussing that kind of thing is kindly provided elsewhere on here.
The thing that should unite us all on here is love for the bike in general, and motorbike racing in particular.
I first joined this site looking for like minded people the weekend that Gibernau bowled half the field out of action in Catalunya in 2006 and I thought, for a while there, that Marco (melandri) was going to go racing in the championship in the sky.
Unfortunately it is exactly this sort of sht that drove me away from here.
There are deaths in every sport, as a direct result of the sport itself. Even golf, as golf courses are the best places to get electrocuted (which even though I am an atheist, suggests to me that either Jhwh or Thor is telling golfers to harden the .... up). That "article" was just an anti-motorsport rant with no merit in it. There is a debate to be had about the amount of risk which is appropriate, but if you want to make the world safer for young men and women, go get one-day event banned, and rock fishing, and rock climbing, and skydiving. Once you've done that, come looking for motorcycle racing.
That article was intellectually lazy.
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