Fall out from the loss of Marco Simoncelli
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It was a lowside. There is some bike onboard footage in one of the threads that shows it.
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It was a low side Marco was still on the bike with his knee and elbow dragging under the bike. As he scrubbed off speed, the tires were able to re grip and when they did, it went where it was aimed. Was he pinned in that position, or was he trying to save it. We will never know, but if i had to guess, he was trying to save it. There are many instances where a bike has been technically down, only to pop back up when it regains traction. This time it just went horribly wrong.
Hacking at Barber
http://youtu.be/TbeLR90qyok
Hacking at Barber
http://youtu.be/TbeLR90qyok
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He was trying to save it on his knee slider but said knee slider became a pivot,
shut off throttle risk a highside, keep it on and try to muscle it back onto the rubber.
He was a true racer (by the balls). He kept it on and it went wrong.
Thats IMO.
But the natural tragectory of a bike using the knee slider,on a corner like the one in question, trying to save, would throw the bike across the track in that way if the rider refused to shut off the throttle.
Red blooded racer. He didn't shut it off and risk the high side.
God Bless Sic
Some irony could be seen in such a piece appearing in a tabloid newspaper, where the stock in trade is often the sensationalisation of human tragedy and misery to sell newspapers. I am led to believe at least one newspaper in the UK (not sure if it was one of rupert's) published graphic photos of the incident, whereas dorna pulled the video footage, and many of us who saw it made sure they didn't see it again, and many who didn't endeavoured not to see it afterwards.
The response to the marquez crash at PI is perhaps also illustrative, as despite his popularity he was almost universally condemned. I am also unaware of crashes ever in any way being used to promote motogp.
Yours and kropotkin's point about laziness is well made, particularly as journalists yourselves. I am not very familiar with Jill Singer , but the main opinion piece writers (or polemicists as some might regard them) for her newspaper group seem to consider anything as mundane and tedious as researching a piece to be beneath them, apparently redundant for those already in possession of absolute truth as they consider themselves to be, demonstrated in a recent court case in australia; one of these guys seemed to consider googling the names of a group of people he had prejudged on the basis of their appearance (in this case skin colour) as an adequate basis for defaming them.
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Its statistically likely 50% of people reading the newspaper will agree with her, if not more.
You dont follow motorcycles because you expect to be part of the majority do you?
Jeez I dont even agree with what Doohan and Gardner say 50% of the time and they are my fellow Australian racing legends, so why would you expect to be in agreement with Jill Singer?
Absolutely not. I couldn't resist an opportunity to self-righteously attack the (imo) notably self-righteous murdoch press though.
There will NOT be any fallout after MS’s death, motogp is a dangerous sport and Marco knew that this sport was a part of ‘HIM’ & ITS VERY DANGEROUS, Marco was always on the edge and also as I can recall Pedro saying that Marco’s racing is just that ‘DANGEROUSE’ and what he did when Pedro broke his shoulder WAS UNUSUSAL & DANGEROUS, but in the Malaysia GP it was just one of those things (and btw I have never ever seen an accident like this in the 35 years that I’ve been following this exciting sport be it with the greatest…MY IDOL>>> Bazza Sheen (who I consider THE GREATEST & THE BEST AMBASSODOR FOR THIS SPORT & THERE IS NOONE THAT COMES NEAR BAZZA ‘HE WAS THE GREATEST & THE MOST OF WHAT WE WANT FROM THIS SPORT) and btw BAZZA predicted that Stoner will be a LEGEND in this sport when he started off!!! Going back to 2004 ...In my times I’ve seen Marco Lucchinelli, Giacomo Agostini, Kenny Robbers, the great Wayne Rainey Kevin Scwantz, Freddy Spencer, Randy Mamola (who had the first ride on bike cam on his Honda triple and crashed in on cam & I saw that), Wayne Gardner, Mick Doohan. Etc Etc Etc…but this is motogp, the 500, the 750’s from the past & we can never ever change how dangerous this sport is…Long lLve & RIP Marco Simoncelli and whoever loses their lives in the future & have lost their life in the past…
WE LOVE MOTOGP & THIS IS UNFOTUNATELLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS…BUT THESE GUYS ALWAYS NOW THE DANGER!!!
LET’S GET BACK TO RACING AT VALENCIA…AND MAKE VALENCIA A ‘TRIBUTE TO THE GREAT MARCO SIMONCELLI’ and this is ‘NOTHING LESS TO OUR MARCO’….AMEN!!
LONG LIVE MOTOGP!!!
WE LOVE MOTOGP & THIS IS UNFOTUNATELLY ONE OF THOSE THINGS…BUT THESE GUYS ALWAYS NOW THE DANGER!!!
LET’S GET BACK TO RACING AT VALENCIA…AND MAKE VALENCIA A ‘TRIBUTE TO THE GREAT MARCO SIMONCELLI’ and this is ‘NOTHING LESS TO OUR MARCO’….AMEN!!
LONG LIVE MOTOGP!!!
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I cant help but wonder though, there are ways of making motorcycle racing safer. Time trial, or rally car style starts. Many people appreciate rally car drivers for skill alone, no overtaking required. Try to argue against this when the benefit is saving lives. It seems logically sound.
Yet for me to suggest this is highly hypocritical, but at least I know why. It appears I have lost touch with some of my primitive, pre electronic TV society needs, the instinctual ones required to 'feel alive'. So I do occassional dumb risky things. Ride a bike, take it to a trackday, try too hard, go outside my comfort zone, fall off, get hurt. I do accept the risk and the potential for .... to occur. I dont enjoy seeing .... at the time, yet I show off the scars afterwards as if some sort of trophy.
Interesting, in that during the first laps of motogp I notice the same elevated heart rate that occurs when I nearly crash myself. And I dont really want to feel that. When watching, I actually 'feel' much better when they all spread appart on track and settle into their rhythm. The most enjoyable aspect I find by far is when one rider stalks another, about 1-2 seconds behind, then finally makes just one pass. No way to replace the beauty of that for me, and apparently worth the risk?
WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE ROOTS OF OUR MOTOGP SPORT..MARCO IS AND WAS…BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO RACING IN MOTOGP, WITH NO OR ANY CONSEQUECES.
MARCO MADE A MISTAKE AND HE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE..NOTHING MORE & NOTHING LESS…LETS MAKE ‘VALENCIA’ A WODERFUL AND HAPPY GP FOR MARCO!!!
CHEERS SALUTE & LETS 'BE HAPPY' CUAZ MARCO ALWAYS WANTED US TO BE HAPPY...CHEERS TO U ALL SCOTTY!
MARCO MADE A MISTAKE AND HE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE..NOTHING MORE & NOTHING LESS…LETS MAKE ‘VALENCIA’ A WODERFUL AND HAPPY GP FOR MARCO!!!
CHEERS SALUTE & LETS 'BE HAPPY' CUAZ MARCO ALWAYS WANTED US TO BE HAPPY...CHEERS TO U ALL SCOTTY!
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Motogp compared to 30 yrs ago is like heaven now to hell before...these riders have to get a grip of how dangerous this sport really is!!!...and this is 'NOTHING MORE OR NOTHING LES'...unfortunately Marco did the wrong thing and he paid the price...sorry to say this!!!
This is from jill singer wiki page under personal life. Most have who their married to kids ect but this is hers.
Also her page has been edited with this
Personally i would like very much to spit in her face. I took her article as a personal insult as im sure many fans did.
Sure, there is no reason it shouldn't be made as safe as reasonably possible. I didn't see the incident and don't want to, but apparently marco couldn't be directly accessed by an ambulance which doesn't seem right. Motorsports were clearly far too dangerous by any standard in decades past, such as F1 in the 1950s and 1960s. Jackie Stewart I think was largely instrumental in changing this.
Life cannot be made to be completely without risk however, and staying home in bed all day has significant health risks too. I saw a post elsewhere by someone who still rode track days but considered riding on the road too dangerous; without wanting to usurp news limited prerogatives by inventing things to support my argument, I wouldn't be surprised if there was evidence to support this, race riders at least not usually having to worry about traffic with more wheels. If I recall correctly, it was reported at one time that john hopkins didn't have a road riding license for similar reasons.
I also find the first few laps of a motogp race fraught and sometimes too tense to watch.
Maybe she lost someone in a bike accident, who knows? She is clearly ill-informed if she thinks most bike racing fans like seeing crashes though.
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I dare say your the type of man that always look's for the good in a person, always looking for the reason why they act in such a way. Maybe your correct in your assumpton but my bet is she is just a busybody who love's to campaign against things that dont concern or effect her. My bet is she has never followed motorsport in any way. The only time she becomes interested is when there is a bad crash because she now has more ammo for her misguided campaign. So she is the one who watches and gets off on the crashes not us !
Sadly it's morons like Singer that end up polititicians and law makers.
You are correct that I don't assume I can judge the individual circumstances of people I don't know, and I don't really have any knowledge of the general tenor of this woman's journalism, but certainly the organisation for which she works seems to have a general policy of laying blame for most vicissitudes of life, and a record for giving readers of its journals reasons, despite being among the most fortunate human beings in all of human history by most standards, for being dissatisfied with life and targets to blame for any such dissatisfaction.
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Or, she has been tossed out of to many apartments on a Sunday morning with the dude saying, ....., you got to go, the guys are coming over to watch the race.
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