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Estoril, practice and qualifying.

ROCKGOD01 said:
YEah OK, it isn't like the guy ever does anything in the way of say...finishing a race, let alone a race win or podium. So how is it a "...." take? How can anyone refute the fact that the dude just crashes more than anything. If motoGP wants to reduce costs then it would pay them to get rid of randy and save all that money from the crashed bikes.
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Well, because I think your reaction came from a place where you might think Randy's riding is a danger to others because today he caused injury to Edwards. But in reality, it was just bad luck that Edwards was there on that piece of the planet. A few feet difference and nobody gets hurt, and Depuniet walks away to contest the qual. I disagree that he crashes anything. Sure, he's had many spectacular crashes, but lets survey on what? .... Kawasaki, .... Ducati, and now a new type of bike that is in its infant stage of development. Randy has been a very positive force in this new CRT class, and today's crash should not reflect at all on some supposed tendency of crashing too much.
 
michaelm said:
I was being a dog in the manger about different attitudes to stoner getting stroppy than others. I actually never thought the reaction to the practice incidents was a good look whatever the provocation, or at all productive, but he seems to have calmed down about the issue anyway which is unequivocally a good thing.
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Preaching to the choir, though at times it seems I have been placed on the "devil" side of the ledger.
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Jumkie said:
Well, because I think your reaction came from a place where you might think Randy's riding is a danger to others because today he caused injury to Edwards. But in reality, it was just bad luck that Edwards was there on that piece of the planet. A few feet difference and nobody gets hurt, and Depuniet walks away to contest the qual. I disagree that he crashes anything. Sure, he's had many spectacular crashes, but lets survey on what? .... Kawasaki, .... Ducati, and now a new type of bike that is in its infant stage of development. Randy has been a very positive force in this new CRT class, and today's crash should not reflect at all on some supposed tendency of crashing too much.
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Yep. Didn't crash that much on the lcr honda, and should have kept that ride except for dorna politics mandating that elias as moto2 champion should be in the premier class. I still wonder what might have been had he ever got on a genuinely competitive bike. Bautista is 6th on the grid, and randy was faster than he had been on the suzuki with 2 season's experience, virtually immediately he jumped on the bike, a la stoner.
 
Jumkie said:
I'm not sure I agree buddy. He has always been respected for his development skills. His name has actually increased in respect going to a CRT, as he has helped the team get the bike sorted. Kropo described it this way (paraphrasing) 'Colin has been well worth his salary to his team.' If the CRT is the future, who better than a respected and hard working guy than Colin to be on board giving theme direction? He is also a good measuring stick, alone with Depuniet, to judge the progress of CRTs against the "prototypes".
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I don't meant to say that his time in CRT will diminish his past accomplishments. There are however no trophies for best development rider or top measuring stick. As most agree, for riders it's about the glory not the paycheck. I can't help feeling he signed on because he'd be bored at home while all his buddies are traveling with the circus.
 
Pretty sure Collin realised there wasn't much, if any, glory for him in MGP for years. Like you though, I don't think Collin wants/needs MGP cash - he just loves being there... not a bad thing!
 
Jumkie said:
Well, because I think your reaction came from a place where you might think Randy's riding is a danger to others because today he caused injury to Edwards. But in reality, it was just bad luck that Edwards was there on that piece of the planet. A few feet difference and nobody gets hurt, and Depuniet walks away to contest the qual. I disagree that he crashes anything. Sure, he's had many spectacular crashes, but lets survey on what? .... Kawasaki, .... Ducati, and now a new type of bike that is in its infant stage of development. Randy has been a very positive force in this new CRT class, and today's crash should not reflect at all on some supposed tendency of crashing too much.
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If you look at the numbers the guy has about 1.7 crashes per weekend. Just saying regardless of what excuse there is for a new bike, crap bike etc, there are all these other GP riders out there that don't have the crash percentage he does. He barely ever finishes a race, and that is really what it is all about. I am sure Dorna like him because he is right now the only French guy in the gp class so I am sure that gets him some longevity. I would make the case that money spent on RDP could be better spent on another rider out there french or other.
 
ROCKGOD01 said:
He barely ever finishes a race, and that is really what it is all about.
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He had 5 dnfs last year. Out of 16 starts

2010 - 2 dnfs out of 17 starts

2009 - 2 ndfs out of 17 starts

2008 - 5 DNFs out of 18 starts



So, not quite the useless rider you make him out to be - DNF 14 out of 68 starts over the last 4 years. A little over 20%.
 
Mick D said:
I agree with Jums on this. Also Kropo recently said when it comes time to work in the pits Collie would as soon shoot you as talk to you... that would account for the angry look!
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I get where you're coming from. That said, "race face" is one thing. This season he seems really pissed. Just my subjective perception. Not betting the house on it.
 
Mick D said:
Pretty sure Collin realised there wasn't much, if any, glory for him in MGP for years. Like you though, I don't think Collin wants/needs MGP cash - he just loves being there... not a bad thing!
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Exactly. I think CEII just likes the job. Traveling with the circus and racing fast motorcycles while he can, even if they are only development rigs. He has put his ego aside and just enjoys doing what all of us would give our nuts to do.



I sure wouldn't come back to the USA and ride on unsafe tracks and risk crippleing myself for life.



Ride out his time in Motogp, travel the world and then retire to Tejas and shoot his gun.
 
Wow! Fantastic save by Crutchlow about 15 min into Q.
 
Estoril QP demonstrated the potential fun of bore limited 1000s, running without fuel limits. Top 9 riders within 1 second. Too bad we had so many blocks and silly incidents. Gutted for Colin. He's been riding conservatively to keep himself in one piece, but he can't escape from other riders. Worse take down since the Moto2 incident at LeMans, when someone let go of their bike in turn 1, and it piloted itself into DeAngelis (IIRC) at the chicane. Ugly.



Cool thing about QP is that it is less predictive of the race victor. Sure, the correlation between pole and race victory will probably always remain b/c of the rider, but the 1000s don't have trouble with the reliability requirements and fuel is unlimited so QP has almost no technological interference. Everyone is flat out with roughly the same horsepower. The race is fuel limited though, and all bets are off.



If Casey's fuel capacity wish is granted, we will be treated to a compact field during every race. Control tires that heat quickly for feel and safety would merely add to the spectacle as they wear. Not suggesting MotoGP should definitely swallow the blue pill, but it would be a hell of a time, and the 80/20 situation would be restored.
 
bojuhl said:
Exactly. I think CEII just likes the job. Traveling with the circus and racing fast motorcycles while he can, even if they are only development rigs. He has put his ego aside and just enjoys doing what all of us would give our nuts to do.



I sure wouldn't come back to the USA and ride on unsafe tracks and risk crippleing myself for life.



Ride out his time in Motogp, travel the world and then retire to Tejas and shoot his gun.
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Liking the job and being competent to do it - are two different matters. If the latter were the case - he'd be the teammate of Lorenzo or Dovi
 
Forgot to mention Spies' major setup changes. Lots of weight off of the front end. Without knowing the base setting, we have no idea if he's moving towards or away from a Rossi-like setting, but at least it shows that setup was definitely the problem.
 
I'm starting to understand Ducati's strategy of helping Rossi go up the qualifying order.



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Jumkie said:
I'm starting to understand Ducati's strategy of helping Rossi go up the qualifying order.



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Oh that! That's nothing. Just the gentle mists rolling in from the Atlantic. Pay no attention.
 
How ironic that Jlo always throughs a tantrum when he doesn’t get his way and what an idiotic tantrum Pedro (on Spies) on the last lap of QP as if Pedro would have beaten Stoners time. Stoner is absolutely awesome as Edwards said in an interview in Ch10 Australia and this is even though he has a very bad throat infection and is on antibiotics and has not been feeling good for the last 2 weeks as he said in an interview for motogp. The man is incredible for pooling out a 1'37.188 lap right at the end for which beforehand on every lap throughout the QP he was the fastest on the circuit for the first 2/3’ds of every laps. Incredible riding and it just goes to prove what Stoner can and does do the business when the pressure is on and this is out of every machinery that he is on! Incredible!
 

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