Forget championships, records, etc.
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
championships aside, is jorge better than rossi?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossi_fan @ Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Forget championships, records, etc.
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
Judging by the points Jorge as of now. But Rossi is No longer in his prime either When its all over and done with Rossi will be the GOAT and Jorge might go down as one of the greatest of Spain but not in the same category as Rossi. regardless Im sure Yamaha is happy
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
Judging by the points Jorge as of now. But Rossi is No longer in his prime either When its all over and done with Rossi will be the GOAT and Jorge might go down as one of the greatest of Spain but not in the same category as Rossi. regardless Im sure Yamaha is happy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rossi_fan @ Jun 12 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Forget championships, records, etc.
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
Jorge, obviously... but snapshots are just that, moments in time!!
lap time for lap time. Race for race. Who's faster right now, rossi or jorge?
Jorge, obviously... but snapshots are just that, moments in time!!
Im gonna have to go w/ jorge....things have just been goin rite for him this year. On motogp.com rossi says so far hes not happy w/ his performance. It's one of the headlines as of now.
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Rossi is by far the best. As of right now the results don't show this. However lets look at something. When Rossi came into the GP class he was pretty much the young gun of the sport. HE beat up on those guys for a number of years with no new real young guns to challange until the recent few years. Look what happened in those few years. No longer do you see the heroics of yore' when ROssi would get out front and just run away. That has been Stoner's M.O. as of late. Jorge has also been trying this out as well. Rossi though has yet to get up front and pull a "Rossi" gap. I just think it is his human side coming out wehre it happens in every sport where the older you get the tougher it becomes to perform at such a high level.
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Right now I'd have to say Rossi is the better. Any smart man would have to bet money on him over Lorenzo in points at the end of the season. IMO if Rossi is feeling the pressure now, it will be nothing to next year. I'm also guessing this is what Vale wants.
Soo..heres to Vale for many more years of pissing off Pinky.
Soo..heres to Vale for many more years of pissing off Pinky.
Well if your talking about this season it's close .
Rossi
1 win 2 seconds 1 third and a 16th
Lorenzo
2 wins 1 second 1 third and a RET
Lorenzo being 5 pts ahead of rossi so at the early stage of this season lorenzo is the better.
But your question is "championships aside, is jorge better than rossi?" i would have to say rossi in the big class because he has been the most consistent in the seasons both have been competing.
Rossi
1 win 2 seconds 1 third and a 16th
Lorenzo
2 wins 1 second 1 third and a RET
Lorenzo being 5 pts ahead of rossi so at the early stage of this season lorenzo is the better.
But your question is "championships aside, is jorge better than rossi?" i would have to say rossi in the big class because he has been the most consistent in the seasons both have been competing.
Rossi <u>has</u> been the best. The future is not his. You can't do anything to claw back 9 years. It makes a difference. Stoner and Lorenzo will be in a fight for the next 5 years that Rossi only wishes he could participate in but won't be able to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 12 2009, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi <u>has</u> been the best. The future is not his. You can't do anything to claw back 9 years. It makes a difference. Stoner and Lorenzo will be in a fight for the next 5 years that Rossi only wishes he could participate in but won't be able to.
Your probably right but im not brave enough to bet money on it.
Your probably right but im not brave enough to bet money on it.
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There is another thread dedicated the death threats from Amatrian. But I always felt that the guy was another insidious svengali that the paddock could do well to lose.
Jorge's transformation from wild, arrogant, petulant, paddock brat, to the mature focussed and disciplined young man that has risen to the very pinnacle of his sport, coincided with him ditching Amatrian. That was a real revelation to him, both in his approach to racing, and his PR off the track. Dani take note.
Amatrian was instrumental in inciting the Pedro/Lorenzo fued in the Spanish press, and I only ever saw him as having a negative influence on the sport and his riders. I guess it shifted a shitload of copies of motociclismo in the process, but hat's beside the point.
Fortunately Jorge has been a revelation, and has learnt to control and channel his emotions to positive effect. Better than the Doctor? Not yet -he doesn't currently have the technical ability, depth of talent and the mental fortitude, qualities that generally deliver World Champions. But he's just as fast. That's not to say Jorge can't win the championship this year - anything can happen. But as someone just said, next year Vale will really have to dig deep into these reserves, and the challenge won't be simply coming from his teammate and Casey.
Jorge's transformation from wild, arrogant, petulant, paddock brat, to the mature focussed and disciplined young man that has risen to the very pinnacle of his sport, coincided with him ditching Amatrian. That was a real revelation to him, both in his approach to racing, and his PR off the track. Dani take note.
Amatrian was instrumental in inciting the Pedro/Lorenzo fued in the Spanish press, and I only ever saw him as having a negative influence on the sport and his riders. I guess it shifted a shitload of copies of motociclismo in the process, but hat's beside the point.
Fortunately Jorge has been a revelation, and has learnt to control and channel his emotions to positive effect. Better than the Doctor? Not yet -he doesn't currently have the technical ability, depth of talent and the mental fortitude, qualities that generally deliver World Champions. But he's just as fast. That's not to say Jorge can't win the championship this year - anything can happen. But as someone just said, next year Vale will really have to dig deep into these reserves, and the challenge won't be simply coming from his teammate and Casey.
Championship aside.....Rossi is the greatest. This season so far? Jorge...but he will eventually be overtaken
Better is so hard to say. Rossi was gifted a few years given the Honda's dominance in the
(old) 990 era. I'm not really big on comparing one guy to another. His results? Okay that is a challenge for anyone but Lorenzo is a joy to watch. Gives everyone a reason to be happy for the future of MotoGP.
(old) 990 era. I'm not really big on comparing one guy to another. His results? Okay that is a challenge for anyone but Lorenzo is a joy to watch. Gives everyone a reason to be happy for the future of MotoGP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 12 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Better is so hard to say. Rossi was gifted a few years given the Honda's dominance in the
(old) 990 era. I'm not really big on comparing one guy to another. His results? Okay that is a challenge for anyone but Lorenzo is a joy to watch. Gives everyone a reason to be happy for the future of MotoGP.
he was but then went on to prove himself on the yam despite biaggi's whinging
And it wasn't the only rc211v on the grid.
(old) 990 era. I'm not really big on comparing one guy to another. His results? Okay that is a challenge for anyone but Lorenzo is a joy to watch. Gives everyone a reason to be happy for the future of MotoGP.
he was but then went on to prove himself on the yam despite biaggi's whinging
Of course not. Jorge has been better than Rossi in two very strange races.
In the remaining races, Rossi was better in 2, Jorge in 1.
In the remaining races, Rossi was better in 2, Jorge in 1.
Is Jorge better than Rossi?
No..
Rossi and his team have developed how many championship winning bikes?
(including the one Jorge is riding)
Jorge has developed what?
Jorge, Dovi, Casey and Pedrosa are everybit of as fast as Rossi at this moment. I will dare say if you give DePuniet a factory M1 he will run up front just as fast.
Rossi is as someone put it. The greatest of all time. He truly is. He changed the game. He set the stage for what the youngsters are benefitting from.
Give Jorge the Repsol bike and he is struggling in the same areas that Pedrosa/Dovi are struggling. Jorge is fast. Very fast. He is the future of Yamaha.
He is not an 8 time world champion. He is not the master of the 500, 990 and 800.
No..
Rossi and his team have developed how many championship winning bikes?
(including the one Jorge is riding)
Jorge has developed what?
Jorge, Dovi, Casey and Pedrosa are everybit of as fast as Rossi at this moment. I will dare say if you give DePuniet a factory M1 he will run up front just as fast.
Rossi is as someone put it. The greatest of all time. He truly is. He changed the game. He set the stage for what the youngsters are benefitting from.
Give Jorge the Repsol bike and he is struggling in the same areas that Pedrosa/Dovi are struggling. Jorge is fast. Very fast. He is the future of Yamaha.
He is not an 8 time world champion. He is not the master of the 500, 990 and 800.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Jun 13 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is Jorge better than Rossi?
No..
Rossi and his team have developed how many championship winning bikes?
(including the one Jorge is riding)
Jorge has developed what?
Jorge, Dovi, Casey and Pedrosa are everybit of as fast as Rossi at this moment. I will dare say if you give DePuniet a factory M1 he will run up front just as fast.
Rossi is as someone put it. The greatest of all time. He truly is. He changed the game. He set the stage for what the youngsters are benefitting from.
Give Jorge the Repsol bike and he is struggling in the same areas that Pedrosa/Dovi are struggling. Jorge is fast. Very fast. He is the future of Yamaha.
He is not an 8 time world champion. He is not the master of the 500, 990 and 800.
Hard to call, Ive looked on Jorge as the future of the sport since early last season. The crashing was the typical young gun out to make his mark on a big bike, not unusual, but I was beginning to worry that he would injure himself badly enough to curb his career! Rossi is still out there and in the mix every weekend, and thats what makes a champ. (or GOAT)
Only time will tell if Jorge can have a career like Rossi's, but the unique fact that Rossi has won titles on 500, 990 and 800 as well as the 125 and 250 titles isn't going to happen again, which will always make the guy a bit special. I'm sure Rossi is well aware that his time wont last forever, but I also believe that he knows he'll be leaving Yamaha in a safe pair of hands.
Pete
No..
Rossi and his team have developed how many championship winning bikes?
(including the one Jorge is riding)
Jorge has developed what?
Jorge, Dovi, Casey and Pedrosa are everybit of as fast as Rossi at this moment. I will dare say if you give DePuniet a factory M1 he will run up front just as fast.
Rossi is as someone put it. The greatest of all time. He truly is. He changed the game. He set the stage for what the youngsters are benefitting from.
Give Jorge the Repsol bike and he is struggling in the same areas that Pedrosa/Dovi are struggling. Jorge is fast. Very fast. He is the future of Yamaha.
He is not an 8 time world champion. He is not the master of the 500, 990 and 800.
Hard to call, Ive looked on Jorge as the future of the sport since early last season. The crashing was the typical young gun out to make his mark on a big bike, not unusual, but I was beginning to worry that he would injure himself badly enough to curb his career! Rossi is still out there and in the mix every weekend, and thats what makes a champ. (or GOAT)
Only time will tell if Jorge can have a career like Rossi's, but the unique fact that Rossi has won titles on 500, 990 and 800 as well as the 125 and 250 titles isn't going to happen again, which will always make the guy a bit special. I'm sure Rossi is well aware that his time wont last forever, but I also believe that he knows he'll be leaving Yamaha in a safe pair of hands.
Pete
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