Casey tells Rossi to 'stop whinging'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Aug 2 2007, 06:53 AM) [snapback]82679[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Cause..a rider of Rossis' caliber does not lose his speed easily...it would be one thing if he had major injuries year in and year out...like Schwants, Doohan, Rainy, etc etc....Rossi's only what, 27?...he hasn't lost .......

Hell i'm at the track once a month...I beat younger guys, some beat me...but i also get my ... handed to me by old guys...there's a 60 year old man i've ran against...and let me tell you...i can't keep that old fart in my sight for long...

all i'm saying is..if any of you think VR has lost his mojo, edge, balls, whatever..you're sorely mistaken...

Props to Stoner, cause he's riding his ... off....but saying a MULTI world champion with records out the wazzo has lost it..is just plain ignorant.


CURVE... very very true!!!...especially "there's a 60 year old man i've ran against...and let me tell you...i can't keep that old fart in my sight for long..."...thats a beauty!!! CURVE!!!



May be u should ask him the real secret of riding..bum bum!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(baldylocks @ Jul 31 2007, 10:57 PM) [snapback]82423[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
hmmm. michelin have been the dominant force in moto gp for how long ?

historically - if the tyres they had at qualifying weren't up to the job - they'd just rustle some up over night - hoy them on Fed-Ex and hey presto - jobs a good-un. perfect tyres at the track for Sunday morning.

the new rules/new bikes have turned things on their head - michelin no longer have the advantage and to top it off they're no longer able to just knock some more up when they haven't 'got it right' - it's all bridgestone riders up at the front and this must be frustrating Rossi also, I would also question Burgess' comment on the situation................. "The tyre rule has not been the main reason for Valentino not winning races this season," he said enigmatically Sure - falling off doesn't help but the bike has been on the pace so if it's not the tyres, what is it ? Are you saying Rossi has lost his mojo Jerry ? Are you saying Casey is just better than Rossi ? Of course it's the tyres - they're falling to bits man.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Casey - he's been flawless BUT if the michelins were up to the job then I think Rossi could put up more of a fight.

i will agree with Jerry on this bit tho.... "I like the rule, it's equal for everyone and think it should stay."

to say the rules are spoiling it for the fans is tosh - it's only spoiling it for the Rossi fans - like me


When did JB say this?

When Rossi brought the bike back to the Yamaha garage after falling off at the last race of the season 06 JB did nt even make eye contact with Rossi He went straight to the bike! When Rossi was clearly disappointed. And then i see Uccio standing in as Umbrella boy!! when JB is usually beside Rossi to ensure a media free environment.

I need a Yamaha uniform so i can go undercover for the day and see whats really going on between these two.

I hope its not mutiny on JB's part, Aussie and all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Butterfly.t @ Aug 4 2007, 02:45 AM) [snapback]83172[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And then i see Uccio standing in as Umbrella boy!!

So that's it! It's not the tyres. It's not a lack of top end speed.

It's all Uccio's fault!!!!! Blame him!!!!!!

Casey has been riding superbly. Too bad this season will forever be remembered as a Ducati/Bridgestone win. He won't get a lot of people's respect as the greatest rider until other bikes become more equal to the Ducati with Bridgestones and he still leads races.

There's a lot of sense on this thread and an awful lot of ........ too. If the shoe was on the other foot Rossi would be telling Stoner to shut it. that's just the way it is.
If I, and I bet every single one of you guys too, were Stoner, and I was leading Rossi by 44 points, I'd be getting as many digs in as I could. Any of you who wouldn't? C'mon! Of course you'd take a pop at the guy. Stoner is well deserving of having a go at Valentino, he's earned it fair and square, Rossi knows it too.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScareyH22A @ Aug 4 2007, 09:36 AM) [snapback]83188[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Casey has been riding superbly. Too bad this season will forever be remembered as a Ducati/Bridgestone win. He won't get a lot of people's respect as the greatest rider until other bikes become more equal to the Ducati with Bridgestones and he still leads races.
that depends if you wearing rossi-tinted glasses or not there Scarey. Many people will remember it as the year that a new kid appeared on the block. It's all fine and dandy and very easy if you're a Rossi fan, to say that it's Ducati/Brigstone. the guy riding number 27 hasn't made a single mistake all year, even on the last lap in catalunya when the 46 guy was breathing down his neck the whole last 5 laps, the whole last lap the 46 guy couldn't get close enough to make a pass. You could say Rossi's first two 4-stroke titles wwere just down to works RCV/Michelin and you could argue a fairly strong case for that as well. But he still had to ride the thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Aug 4 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]83189[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There's a lot of sense on this thread and an awful lot of ........ too. If the shoe was on the other foot Rossi would be telling Stoner to shut it. that's just the way it is.

If I, and I bet every single one of you guys, were Stoner, and I was leading Rossi by 44 points, I'd be getting as many digs in as I could. Any of you who wouldn't? C'mon!!! Stoner is well deserving of having a go at Valentino, he's earned it fair and square.

that depends if you wearing rossi-tinted glasses or not there Scarey. Many people will remember it as the year that a new kid appeared on the block. It's all fine and dandy and very easy if you're a Rossi fan, to say that it's Ducati/Brigstone. the guy riding number 27 hasn't made a single mistake all year, even on the last lap in catalunya when the 46 guy was breathing down his neck the whole last 5 laps, the whole last lap the 46 guy couldn't get close enough to make a pass. You could say Rossi's first two 4-stroke titles wwere just down to works RCV/Michelin and you could argue a fairly strong case for that as well but he still had to ride the thing.


+1

Of course Stoner ask Rossi to shut up, as you said, he earned the right. If his right or not doesn't really matter.

Also, he will be rememberd if he win this, bike & tires or not he allready have lots of wins under his belt and they don't come by them selves.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 3 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]82950[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't race myself but i already knew this because i'm not .........


You know that you are calling an awfull lot of people ........ now
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>
It may be easier to observe some things first hand by riding them, but that is not to say that someone who doesn't ride has an invalid opinion. I have met people who have done trackdays and experienced this stuff who are still clueless.


You're right, I'm not saying it's impossible to see what's happening, just saying that racing may help you understand it better. Lot's of fast guys out there who doesn't even know why they are fast, let alone trying to explain it.
When the same guys are not even racing there's a lot of strange things being said.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Aug 4 2007, 10:48 AM) [snapback]83192[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Also, he will be rememberd if he win this, bike & tires or not he allready have lots of wins under his belt and they don't come by them selves.
That's what it's all about. At this level you couldn't put just any guy on the grid on that bike with the same tyres and expect them to be leading Rossi by 44 points at this stage in the season. Every Ducati rider has their own choices to make in how they set up their engine/chassis and must choose their own tyres, but where are the rest of them compared to Stoner? By the very same token every Yamaha rider is also in exactly the same situation, where has Edwatds been compared to Rossi in his entire time at Yamaha? Good results are good results but someone who wins 6 races out of 11 at this level is not just doing it on the strength of having superior bike and tyres. If that was the case then Capi, Barros and Hoffman would be regularly iin the top 5. If Michelin are so bad then how did Pedrosa win in Germany? The "Stoner's only winning becuase of his bike" or "Rossi's only loosing beacuse of those damn Michelins" arguments don't hold any water anymore. Wait till Lorenzo finds his feet on an 800.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Aug 4 2007, 08:11 PM) [snapback]83196[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's what it's all about. At this level you couldn't put just any guy on the grid on that bike with the same tyres and expect them to be leading Rossi by 44 points at this stage in the season. Every Ducati rider has their own choices to make in how they set up their engine/chassis and must choose their own tyres, but where are the rest of them compared to Stoner? By the very same token every Yamaha rider is also in exactly the same situation, where has Edwatds been compared to Rossi in his entire time at Yamaha? Good results are good results but someone who wins 6 races out of 11 at this level is not just doing it on the strength of having superior bike and tyres. If that was the case then Capi, Barros and Hoffman would be regularly iin the top 5. If Michelin are so bad then how did Pedrosa win in Germany? The "Stoner's only winning becuase of his bike" or "Rossi's only loosing beacuse of those damn Michelins" arguments don't hold any water anymore. Wait till Lorenzo finds his feet on an 800.


I just don't see Lorenzo finding his feet! I think he will become cannon fodder for those that can ride a MotoGP bike. He has had a pretty easy time in the 250's ... IMO!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Aug 4 2007, 06:40 AM) [snapback]83201[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I just don't see Lorenzo finding his feet! I think he will become cannon fodder for those that can ride a MotoGP bike. He has had a pretty easy time in the 250's ... IMO!

he's gonna kick ...!!! mark my words! LORENZO!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Aug 4 2007, 04:00 AM) [snapback]83189[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There's a lot of sense on this thread and an awful lot of ........ too. If the shoe was on the other foot Rossi would be telling Stoner to shut it. that's just the way it is.
If I, and I bet every single one of you guys too, were Stoner, and I was leading Rossi by 44 points, I'd be getting as many digs in as I could. Any of you who wouldn't? C'mon! Of course you'd take a pop at the guy. Stoner is well deserving of having a go at Valentino, he's earned it fair and square, Rossi knows it too.
that depends if you wearing rossi-tinted glasses or not there Scarey. Many people will remember it as the year that a new kid appeared on the block. It's all fine and dandy and very easy if you're a Rossi fan, to say that it's Ducati/Brigstone. the guy riding number 27 hasn't made a single mistake all year, even on the last lap in catalunya when the 46 guy was breathing down his neck the whole last 5 laps, the whole last lap the 46 guy couldn't get close enough to make a pass. You could say Rossi's first two 4-stroke titles wwere just down to works RCV/Michelin and you could argue a fairly strong case for that as well. But he still had to ride the thing.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Aug 4 2007, 05:11 AM) [snapback]83196[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's what it's all about. At this level you couldn't put just any guy on the grid on that bike with the same tyres and expect them to be leading Rossi by 44 points at this stage in the season. Every Ducati rider has their own choices to make in how they set up their engine/chassis and must choose their own tyres, but where are the rest of them compared to Stoner? By the very same token every Yamaha rider is also in exactly the same situation, where has Edwatds been compared to Rossi in his entire time at Yamaha? Good results are good results but someone who wins 6 races out of 11 at this level is not just doing it on the strength of having superior bike and tyres. If that was the case then Capi, Barros and Hoffman would be regularly iin the top 5. If Michelin are so bad then how did Pedrosa win in Germany? The "Stoner's only winning becuase of his bike" or "Rossi's only loosing beacuse of those damn Michelins" arguments don't hold any water anymore. Wait till Lorenzo finds his feet on an 800.

can't argue with any of this! concise & to the heart of it all!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 4 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]83203[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he's gonna kick ...!!! mark my words! LORENZO!!!
can't argue with any of this! concise & to the heart of it all!


I'm looking forward to having this discussion in 12 months time!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Aug 4 2007, 07:44 AM) [snapback]83204[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm looking forward to having this discussion in 12 months time!

me too!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Aug 4 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]83196[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The "Stoner's only winning becuase of his bike" or "Rossi's only loosing beacuse of those damn Michelins" arguments don't hold any water anymore. Yep, Stoner could win on a push bike, & Rossi? well he's always been .....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Aug 4 2007, 01:44 PM) [snapback]83204[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'm looking forward to having this discussion in 12 months time!
I'll take some of that action


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 4 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]83203[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he's gonna kick ...!!! mark my words! LORENZO!!!
can't argue with any of this! concise & to the heart of it all!
That's cos I'm only back from holidays kev, I'll be back to talking the usual bull in a few days

If I recall GP250 correctly, Pedrosa and Stoner were on comparable bikes and Pedrosa used to stick it to him all day long. And last year, Stoner spent most of his time lying in the dirt face down. Wonder what made him the best rider this year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScareyH22A @ Aug 5 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]83242[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If I recall GP250 correctly, Pedrosa and Stoner were on comparable bikes and Pedrosa used to stick it to him all day long.

-1

You'll recall that Stoner won 5 races in 2005 and Pedrosa 8. Stoner had 2 Dnf's and Pedrosa 1. Stoner 10 podiums, Pedrosa 11. If Pedrosa would 'stick it to' Stoner then to me, these results don't reflect that. They also don't show how nice it must be to be in a full factory team and have everyone pat you on the .... your whole career.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScareyH22A @ Aug 5 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]83242[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And last year, Stoner spent most of his time lying in the dirt face down. Wonder what made him the best rider this year?


Ducati and Bridgestone, whom no one else can do jack .... with this year. Thats why they fired Stoner for 08 because they know they can put Guintoli on their bike and win. It's all about the bike and tyres. .........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Aug 5 2007, 03:10 AM) [snapback]83245[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

They also don't show how nice it must be to be in a full factory team and have everyone pat you on the .... your whole career.




Aprilia is beating Honda in constructors standings right now. And Aprilia beat Honda in constructors standing last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ScareyH22A @ Aug 5 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]83248[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Aprilia is beating Honda in constructors standings right now. And Aprilia beat Honda in constructors standing last year.

Aren't we talking about 2005?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vale4607 @ Aug 5 2007, 04:10 AM) [snapback]83245[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


year. Thats why they fired Stoner for 08 because they know they can put Guintoli on their bike and win. It's all about the bike and tyres. .........



what do you mean by "Thats why they fired Stoner for 08"

are they not signing him, sorry i hav'nt heard this yet

2001 Honda
2002 Aprilia
2003 Aprilia
2004 Honda
2005 Honds
2006 Aprilia
2007 Aprilia so far

I'm pretty sure that Aprilia and Honda are very very comparable.