Casey tells Rossi to 'stop whinging'

As far as Agostini is concerned and please don’t take me wrong I think Ago was a remarkable rider but his opposition was???...and what I'm talking about is this...and I quote:

"After the 1967 season, the famous "easy years" began for Agostini, except perhaps the splendid clashes with the Benelli mounted fellow Italian; Renzo Pasolini. The majority of these duels took place in the domestic Italian championships. In the world championships, Ago and the MV dominated as win followed win in an apparently endless sequence.

It was not until the middle of the 1971 season when a young rider from Finland arrived on the scene riding his own two stroke Yamaha's; Jarno Saarinen started to upset the long domination of Agostini and 350cc MV combination.

It looked as if things were all set for fireworks in the '73 season as Saarinen now a works Yamaha rider, and equipped with a very potent 500cc to challenge Ago in the premier class. After winning the first two rounds of the 500cc tragedy struck at the third round at Monza.

Saarinen was killed along with Renzo Pasolini in a horrendous pile up during the 250cc race. This left MV and Ago once again in a commanding position, but the factory decided to recruit Englishman Phil Read to ride as team-mate to Agostini and assist the development of a new four cylinder model earmarked to replace the glorious but obsolescent three cylinders"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phildean @ Aug 7 2007, 04:39 PM) [snapback]83491[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Just admit, for once, there may just have been a rider, who, believe it or not, had more talent than an Austrailian's!

Phil


I do Phil please don’t get me wrong!!!...I have never said that the Aussies are LEGENDS per say!!!...But I do admit when I see a guy who has potential to be great!!! Irrespective of his colour, creed or race!!!...I have followed Sheene, Roberts’s snr, Lucchinelli, Spencer, Lawson, Gardner, Rainey and all the greats and even though there were Australian riders competing against these guys I still called them better Phil!!!...and in 2007 I am just continuing the same!!!...I wont go into my opinions and views on who I’m talking about...but I could be wrong...and please Phil I didn’t think that Mick Doohan would do as well as he did specially with Rainey as his opponent in those days!!!...as Rainey was a wiz kid in those days...but unfortunately and I mean this 100% he had that very unfortunate accident that btw I saw live and didn’t think much of it...but it proved very very bad!!!...and as I’ve said if Wayne was still riding “I don’t think and I’m 100% sure that Mick’s record wouldn’t be as it stands now”!!!...
Cheers mate!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 7 2007, 03:09 AM) [snapback]83484[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

I totally agree with you mate!...but I’m really getting sick of this...“yes but Dani was the superior rider in the 125’s, 250 days”....

How could it have been when Dani was on works Honda rides and Casey was on a KTM which was a new team to the 125’s and in the 250’s Casey was on the LCR that wasn’t a factory team. This year both riders are on the “Ridgy-Didge” (aussie slang for: original, genuine)...so no excuses...that the Honda is this, the Michelins are this....it’s all even, and if you read Casey’s interview on speed...and I quote casey’s words...

” don’t know what the real HRC stuff is like. They were always telling me last year that I was on the same stuff as Dani and Nicky but now I see that was a whole load of crap. There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has and it is the same thing with the other companies providing products. They tell you, ‘you are on the same this and that,’ but it is just not true and now I can see that from the outside because, like I said, my bike changed from session to session and it wasn’t anything to do with anything the team was doing. The team was doing a great job, but it was the companies playing around”...



If you are honestly gonna sit with a straight face and try to say that there were machinarey advantages between the two riders in the past (when Dani's results were significantly better) and then try to claim that finally this year everything is completely fair (because Stoner is winning) then i'm not gonna bother with you anymore. There is nothing more annoying than someojne who contradicts themself on such a regular basis, just to build a weak justification of what is an unreasonable opinion. At least be consistent with your standards and then people might find your opinion respectable


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 7 2007, 03:09 AM) [snapback]83484[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Drill this is what I have been saying and have known for years mate...classic examples of the past are: Agostini, Spencer when Freddie was on the V4 Honda and the rest of the satellite Honda teams were on the V3’s, just ask Mamola, Gardner, Haslam and all the satellite riders, they would have given an arm and a leg to be on the same equipment as Freddie was on...



Spencer was the best rider Honda had by far in those days, and he was given the devolpment responsibilities for the NSR when it was very new. This worked against him in 84 when the NS was actually working better and Mamola could challenge for the title with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 7 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]83496[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you are honestly gonna sit with a straight face and try to say that there were machinarey advantages between the two riders in the past (when Dani's results were significantly better) and then try to claim that finally this year everything is completely fair (because Stoner is winning) then i'm not gonna bother with you anymore. There is nothing more annoying than someojne who contradicts themself on such a regular basis, just to build a weak justification of what is an unreasonable opinion. At least be consistent with your standards and then people might find your opinion respectable
Spencer was the best rider Honda had by far in those days, and he was given the devolpment responsibilities for the NSR when it was very new. This worked against him in 84 when the NS was actually working better and Mamola could challenge for the title with it.


Tom I've never said that Dani’s & Casey’s rides were equal in the 125's, 250's...and its just bad luck if Honda is where they are!!!...Dani still has a works ride...that is all I'm saying!!!...and btw Tom...Honda is the largest M/cycle manufacturer in the world and they also make M/Vehicles...and what else???...come on mate!!!...It’s amazing the excuses that people make for Dani!!!...Ok Tom what would you have said if the Ducati was as quick as they are and the Bridgestone’s didn’t work???...and the Michelin’s were in the same position???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 7 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]83496[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you are honestly gonna sit with a straight face and try to say that there were machinarey advantages between the two riders in the past (when Dani's results were significantly better) and then try to claim that finally this year everything is completely fair (because Stoner is winning) then i'm not gonna bother with you anymore. There is nothing more annoying than someojne who contradicts themself on such a regular basis, just to build a weak justification of what is an unreasonable opinion. At least be consistent with your standards and then people might find your opinion respectable
Spencer was the best rider Honda had by far in those days, and he was given the devolpment responsibilities for the NSR when it was very new. This worked against him in 84 when the NS was actually working better and Mamola could challenge for the title with it.


Tom I've never said that Dani’s & Casey’s rides were equal in the 125's, 250's...and its just bad luck if Honda is where they are!!!...Dani still has a works ride...that is all I'm saying!!!...and btw Tom...Honda is the largest M/cycle manufacturer in the world and they also make M/Vehicles...and what else???...come on mate!!!...It’s amazing the excuses that people make for Dani!!!...Ok Tom what would you have said if the Ducati was as quick as they are and the Bridgestone’s didn’t work???...and the Michelin’s were in the same position???

Tom...Mamola never did challenge for the title...Eddie Lawson was the world champ in '84 and he was riding magnificently!!!...and Mamola was never on the V4 that was an exclusive “Spencer” bike!!! Mamola was always on the V3!!!...but never the less Eddie beat Freddie in ’84 and then Freddie was champ in ’85 and Eddie beat him again in ’86...but none of the Honda riders had the gear gear that Freddie had until '86 and then Gardner won the WC’p in ’87!!! and that is the NS V4!!!

CSCVAW the destruction of motogpforum


that is all

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Aug 7 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]83506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
CSCVAW the destruction of motogpforum
that is all


Well... ...and I wont go there...the destruction of motogpforum...that is all...krazy...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Aug 7 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]83506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
CSCVAW the destruction of motogpforum
that is all


I second that.. 99.99% of CSCVAW's post's are useless and inflammatory..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Aug 7 2007, 10:19 AM) [snapback]83506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
CSCVAW the destruction of motogpforum
that is all



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Aug 7 2007, 11:02 AM) [snapback]83513[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I second that.. 99.99% of CSCVAW's post's are useless and inflammatory..

i totally disagree , and this type of ganging up mentality will be the death of the forum, i dont find anything wrong with cscvaw's resent posts but im looking at yours with a very dim view, i think opinions like this you should keep to yourself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 7 2007, 12:20 PM) [snapback]83516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i totally disagree , and this type of ganging up mentality will be the death of the forum, i dont find anything wrong with cscvaw's resent posts but im looking at yours with a very dim view, i think opinions like this you should keep to yourself.



Yeah gotta agree, the guy has calmed down, he's putting up some good posts now,. Hell, even Antfan has been giving props to riders who arent West! Even better that there were Scots riders among them!

I think things have calmed doon a wee bit here!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(basspete @ Aug 7 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]83519[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah gotta agree, the guy has calmed down, he's putting up some good posts now,. Hell, even Antfan has been giving props to riders who arent West! Even better that there were Scots riders among them!

I think things have calmed doon a wee bit here!

Pete


Thanks boy's (except antfan or naftan)...yes and I do try...I must agree that I have been a bit to sarcastic...but I think that antfan has got it inn for me??? I don’t know why???....Thank You... & Cheers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 7 2007, 09:20 PM) [snapback]83516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i totally disagree , and this type of ganging up mentality will be the death of the forum, i dont find anything wrong with cscvaw's resent posts but im looking at yours with a very dim view, i think opinions like this you should keep to yourself.


Thanks Roge ur a real gentleman...and I totally agree!!!...Thank you again!!!...Cheers mate!!


And Pete too!!...Thanks Mate!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Aug 7 2007, 01:02 PM) [snapback]83528[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thanks boy's (except antfan or naftan)...yes and I do try...I must agree that I have been a bit to sarcastic...but I think that antfan has got it inn for me??? I don’t know why???....Thank You... & Cheers
Thanks Roge ur a real gentleman...and I totally agree!!!...Thank you again!!!...Cheers mate!!
And Pete too!!...Thanks Mate!!

i just dont like bullies, some people here want to reflect a little, this is a great place to hang out but it is a privilege not a right.
we should keep the site healthy by debating good topics and have fun not use it as a medium to ..... at one an other thats all.
and im not acting as self appointed mod just giving my opinion.

rog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 7 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]83529[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i just dont like bullies, some people here want to reflect a little, this is a great place to hang out but it is a privilege not a right.
we should keep the site healthy by debating good topics and have fun not use it as a medium to ..... at one an other thats all.
and im not acting as self appointed mod just giving my opinion.

rog


Totally AGREE!!...and from now on it will be all...knowledge, records and the what’s in the pudding!!!...lol...but my details will be things that you won’t find on the net as i’ve been there and seen it!!!

some simple words of advice...... if for some reason u find a member on this forum that is posting stuff that u don't particularly like then simply choose to ignore. it's real easy u know. some of the above comments are really unnessary & just lead to flame battles. remember IGNORE. thats all...

I just find utter stupidity and trolling hard to ignore.. Look, I wont say anything from now on but I wont be taking notice of anything CSCVAW posts any longer..

Sorry if i came across as a bully Roge and Pete, that was not my intention.. I was merely agreeing that CSCVAW's post could be seen as harmful to the forum..

Despite my name I appreciate ALL riding talent when i see it and I know a thing or two about who has the ability/equipment/potential to make it at the highest level.. Well, i try to anyway

Peace & Cheers!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 7 2007, 12:20 PM) [snapback]83516[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i totally disagree , and this type of ganging up mentality will be the death of the forum, i dont find anything wrong with cscvaw's resent posts but im looking at yours with a very dim view, i think opinions like this you should keep to yourself.

ditto Rog.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Aug 7 2007, 01:31 PM) [snapback]83534[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
some simple words of advice...... if for some reason u find a member on this forum that is posting stuff that u don't particularly like then simply choose to ignore. it's real easy u know. some of the above comments are really unnessary & just lead to flame battles. remember IGNORE. thats all...

...............or even better, understand in life that others will have different opinions, and if you're going to cope in the real world then you have to accept this. Either that, or end up getting your head kicked in whenever you venture out of the house!

Personally, I've read CSCVAWs posts and find him pretty amusing, but then I also understand sarcasm as a form of humour. I reckon he posts as he talks, and if folk don't get it that is their problem.

So you can add my vote of support to that of Rog and Frosty.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Burky @ Aug 8 2007, 01:25 AM) [snapback]83580[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ditto Rog.
...............or even better, understand in life that others will have different opinions, and if you're going to cope in the real world then you have to accept this. Either that, or end up getting your head kicked in whenever you venture out of the house!

Personally, I've read CSCVAWs posts and find him pretty amusing, but then I also understand sarcasm as a form of humour. I reckon he posts as he talks, and if folk don't get it that is their problem.

So you can add my vote of support to that of Rog and Frosty.


Thanks for that Burky...I really appreciate that...you’re a real cobber (friend) mate and she'll be Apples!!! (It'll be all right)...just thought ill through inn some aussie colonialisms...never mind what they don’t know won’t hurt them...or better still ‘you can’t put brains into statues”!!!

maybe its the fact that italian is my first language not english but I do not see this magically ignore button, help please

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Aug 7 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]83610[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
maybe its the fact that italian is my first language not english but I do not see this magically ignore button, help please

click my controls
then on left column click options.
then click ignore users

hope this helps you.