Honda: Data shows Rossi kick on MM

Harryjones05 said:

But BH is talking absolute sense, just you clowns will never be open to any suggestions other than VR is a c*nt, so although he's absolutely right he's wasting his time!!

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Oh, and forgot to add ............. I may be a c*nt but if you apportion my being a c*nt because I have an opinion that you don't like, can that not also make you a c*nt in the eyes of others who share the same level of apportioning?

Fact is mate, it has been done to death ............. yes even the supposed good intentions of BH have been discussed more often than most care to count

moto vudu said:

ROFL at you using Hitler and Jews to try to refute my argument about a phantom kick. When you need to make such a horrible comparison, just laugh it off and admit you've lost. Thanks for the entertainment though.


Picturing this guy as a kid in school getting a math problem wrong.

Teacher: What's 2+5?
Marc Marquez: Uuumm 9.
Teacher: Wrong. Try again.
Marc Marquez: Well... Hitler thought the Jews deserved to be gassed. So that means my answer is right.

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Wow, I just saw you replied to me. Anyway, I can't add anything to this, besides toiletpaper to clean ayway the crap you posted.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Can you please go away.

You are such a knob of such overwhelming magnitude I have an immediate reactionary compulsion to dress entirely in yellow, have a giant 46 tattooed on my forehead and purchase a bulldog christened Guido to bite you on the ....

Your posts are a constant stream of incessant uninformed, unrelenting drivel and your arrival on this board is like a sudden episode of food poisoning accompanied by a constant stream of nausea and diarrhoea. If they even had the slightest in the way of substance to them then you'd at best be the latest unflushable turd of this forum.

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I will go ayway, if you die.

Marc Marquez said:

Wow, I just saw you replied to me. Anyway, I can't add anything to this, besides toiletpaper to clean ayway the crap you posted.

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I really dont think anyone with the screen name Marc Marquez is going to be open to the idea that MM was in the wrong in any situation. Especially one as contested as this. not much point arguing with him

bh84 said:

sure there has been much discussion, but as new information comes out, such as Yamaha's Press release in reply to Repsol and better slow mo angles the discussion changes. Although most on here have already absolved MM of all blame. it just seems to me most people on this forum are hardcore MotoGP fans with obvious bias towards their favourites. I'm more of a casual observer, and as a fan of both riders i thought why not offer my view. Having said that, I still believe MM is more in the wrong than VR

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What is new about Yamaha's press release?

Personally the sheer FACT they took this long is a disappointment as to me, they could have and should have responded earlier to show their full support to Rossi (not suggesting that by not being sooner they are anything but supportive). But what would you expect Yamaha to say?

They are NOT going to go against the gran of Rossi are they?

As for new evidence, is it hard, cold evidence or as with 98% of what has been posted, opinions?

The evidence is clear ... two riders collided

One rider was riding well offline

One rider admits to slowing to a near stopped pace

One rider fell

Rules exist at FIM level to punish riders using a variety of penalties for offences deemed to have 'placed another rider in danger' (my paraphrase) and they did just that

I will state now. If VR had NOT made the statements on Thursday and yet teh race continued to unfold as it did, there would have been no penalty but the FACT that VR made the statements did lessen RD's ability to make judgements.

You race I officiate so two different views (and as for mine, read the Sepang thread around page 60 )

bh84 said:

I really dont think anyone with the screen name Marc Marquez is going to be open to the idea that MM was in the wrong in any situation. Especially one as contested as this. not much point arguing with him

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Lol. Why you even start replying then ? Shut up to me and talk to others.

Marc Marquez said:

I will go ayway, if you die.

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You sir are a serious f*cktard, far worse than 99.8% of the other newbies

Seriously, the amount of phoney ....... here is unbelievable. Rossi kicked Marquez, done. All the rest is ........ and crap to protect Rossi. Rossi is, has and will always be a ........ cheater. It is time for him to leave MotoGP. He is poisoning it. He lost speed; Marquez and Lorenzo are was faster than him. Now that he can't compete with them on pure speed, the real Rossi comes on the surface and you can see what I have always seen in him ... he is a perverted ....... and little whining ......

Gaz said:

You sir are a serious f*cktard, far worse than 99.8% of the other newbies

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You can die too by the way.

Marc Marquez said:

You can die too by the way.

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I fully intend to, but will go another 30 or so years before I succumb to your wish you ........

Gaz said:

I fully intend to, but will go another 30 or so years before I succumb to your wish you ........

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You don't need to wait 30 years. Do it today. Then you don't have to read my posts anymore and I don't have to smell you. Anyway, lets keep it simple. For me you are dead anyway so stop talking to me.

Gaz said:

Oh, and forgot to add ............. I may be a c*nt but if you apportion my being a c*nt because I have an opinion that you don't like, can that not also make you a c*nt in the eyes of others who share the same level of apportioning?

Fact is mate, it has been done to death ............. yes even the supposed good intentions of BH have been discussed more often than most care to count

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I called you a clown not a c*nt! Shows how you read things properly! My summary is....

Rossi totally believes what he said about P.I or no way he'd even dream of mentioning it,no gain WHATSOEVER by mentioning it...

Marquez obviously hated it so ...... Rossi over in Sepang, whether he was breaking rules or not he rode like a .... to piss Rossi off, he was far far more aggressive and the final nose cut 2mm from Rossi's front wheel made him see red and cause the incident by slowing them...

Rossi was in the wrong no question for slowing MM and pushing him wide, I'm of the opinion MM crashed of his own accord but Rossi influenced it by forcing him there...

Therefore Rossi deserves a penalty but he feels he didn't directly contact MM to make him crash,he feels MM crashed himself so he feels 3 penalty points are too severe....

RD believe he deserved 3 points so fair enough...Hanika got 5 for causing a big crash involving broken bones admitting he wanted to cause injury to the other rider!!.......So does Rossi deserve 3? He doesn't think so......

So on to CAS, end of story!

What will be will be..........................

Harryjones05 said:

I called you a clown not a c*nt! Shows how you read things properly! My summary is....

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Must be his age.

Harryjones05 said:

Rossi totally believes what he said about P.I or no way he'd even dream of mentioning it,no gain WHATSOEVER by mentioning it...

Marquez obviously hated it so ...... Rossi over in Sepang, whether he was breaking rules or not he rode like a .... to piss Rossi off, he was far far more aggressive and the final nose cut 2mm from Rossi's front wheel made him see red and cause the incident by slowing them...

Rossi was in the wrong no question for slowing MM and pushing him wide, I'm of the opinion MM crashed of his own accord but Rossi influenced it by forcing him there...

Therefore Rossi deserves a penalty but he feels he didn't directly contact MM to make him crash,he feels MM crashed himself so he feels 3 penalty points are too severe....

RD believe he deserved 3 points so fair enough...Hanika got 5 for causing a big crash involving broken bones admitting he wanted to cause injury to the other rider!!.......So does Rossi deserve 3? He doesn't think so......

So on to CAS, end of story!

What will be will be..........................

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Yada yada yada ... still believing in Santa, I see.

bh84 said:

More than one of those "legal" moves involved contact with VR, others where he cut across Rossi's nose entering a corner were closer than most "safe" passes. Rossi's move, while it did end up with MM on the ground, was done at half the speed of those close calls MM pulled. I would say MM's collection of moves were much more dangerous and likely to end in injury.

The rule on this is very much open to interpretation, but any move Race Direction feels compromises the safety of any rider unnecessarily is considered illegal. With that in mind, I'd argue that MM compromised VR's safety much more than VR compromised MM

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It is called racing . They were all legal racing moves, as RD found, and Valentino had the option of not continuing to attempt to pass him unsuccessfully, an option he understandably chose not to take. Valentino raced more desperately and for longer and at times more dangerously at Laguna Seca 2008, where collisions for which his opponent could not have been blamed, on the first occasion when the error was entirely Valentino's, were twice only avoided by the action of that opponent. The only argument against MM racing Valentino at Sepang is whether it was reasonable for MM to race Valentino as hard as he did in the circumstances, and it even remains supposition that MM could have gone much faster, although I would concede it is not totally unreasonable to speculate that he could have done so.

michaelm said:

It is called racing . They were all legal racing moves, as RD found, and Valentino had the option of not continuing to attempt to pass him unsuccessfully, an option he understandably chose not to take. Valentino raced more desperately and for longer and at times more dangerously at Laguna Seca 2008, where collisions for which his opponent could not have been blamed, on the first occasion when the error was entirely Valentino's, were twice only avoided by the action of that opponent. The only argument against MM racing Valentino at Sepang is whether it was reasonable for MM to race Valentino as hard as he did in the circumstances, and it even remains supposition that MM could have gone much faster, although I would concede it is not totally unreasonable to speculate that he could have done so.

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You make valid points but Rossi and Stoner were fighting for the race win towards the end of the race..... MM was riding in that manor for 3rd position between 4-7 laps into a race..... There was no need for it, Rossi didn't want to lose touch of the front 2, MM didn't give a .... about the front 2, his whole race got personal with 1 guy........ No comparisons can be made to it.......

Harryjones05 said:

Rossi totally believes what he said about P.I or no way he'd even dream of mentioning it,no gain WHATSOEVER by mentioning it...

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Totally agree .. 100% and have said so many times

Harryjones05 said:

Marquez obviously hated it so ...... Rossi over in Sepang, whether he was breaking rules or not he rode like a .... to piss Rossi off, he was far far more aggressive and the final nose cut 2mm from Rossi's front wheel made him see red and cause the incident by slowing them...

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No doubt he id not like the accusation ........... after all, that is all it is and personally I do not blame him for not liking the discussion.

No doubt it was red rag to a bull kind of stuff

The fact he broke no written rules is the crux ........ he cannot be punished or penalised by RD (how other riders treat him is up to them)

As for the passes, they are every day passes and whilst yes, they may have been more agressive it is the type of pass we see week in and week out when the two involved are not best friends and are 'old school hard' type of riders. I have seen Rossi do them to people, I have seen Marquez, I have seen Lorenzo.

Harryjones05 said:

Rossi was in the wrong no question for slowing MM and pushing him wide, I'm of the opinion MM crashed of his own accord but Rossi influenced it by forcing him there...

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I believe (and have stated before here and elsewhere) that MM accelerated to continue racing, whereas Rossi at that stage had seen beyond red and was no longer 'racing'. Paths crossed due to the actions of each.

Harryjones05 said:

Therefore Rossi deserves a penalty but he feels he didn't directly contact MM to make him crash,he feels MM crashed himself so he feels 3 penalty points are too severe....

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I said somewhere else, to me 3 points is not severe enough

But I also felt that Stoner's 5k fine for the RdP incident was manifestly inadequate ........ when I comes to penalties I prefer the significant penalty so that it acts as a deterrent.

Harryjones05 said:

RD believe he deserved 3 points so fair enough...Hanika got 5 for causing a big crash involving broken bones admitting he wanted to cause injury to the other rider!!.......So does Rossi deserve 3? He doesn't think so......

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Hanika got off very lightly (as did MM at PI for the Willarott incident)


My opinion is that until RD put solid penalties in place for this type of action then there is no deterrent and the critical act of a penalty is to deter recourrences

As for CAS, Rossi will start from his qualifying position as I have said many times (and rightfully as the whole penalty is under appeal and as such, it should be BAU until determined)

Gaz said:

Totally agree .. 100% and have said so many times





No doubt he id not like the accusation ........... after all, that is all it is and personally I do not blame him for not liking the discussion.

No doubt it was red rag to a bull kind of stuff

The fact he broke no written rules is the crux ........ he cannot be punished or penalised by RD (how other riders treat him is up to them)

As for the passes, they are every day passes and whilst yes, they may have been more agressive it is the type of pass we see week in and week out when the two involved are not best friends and are 'old school hard' type of riders. I have seen Rossi do them to people, I have seen Marquez, I have seen Lorenzo.




I believe (and have stated before here and elsewhere) that MM accelerated to continue racing, whereas Rossi at that stage had seen beyond red and was no longer 'racing'. Paths crossed due to the actions of each.




I said somewhere else, to me 3 points is not severe enough

But I also felt that Stoner's 5k fine for the RdP incident was manifestly inadequate ........ when I comes to penalties I prefer the significant penalty so that it acts as a deterrent.




Hanika got off very lightly (as did MM at PI for the Willarott incident)


My opinion is that until RD put solid penalties in place for this type of action then there is no deterrent and the critical act of a penalty is to deter recourrences

As for CAS, Rossi will start from his qualifying position as I have said many times (and rightfully as the whole penalty is under appeal and as such, it should be BAU until determined)

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You believe he will get stay?! If so it really makes a mockery of the penalty system doesn't it?!! In fairness the Misano penalty point was harsh as it had no influence to the event whatsoever with Lorenzo on a slower lap. BUT .... if he gets stay then that opens a whole new can of worms doesn't it?!!

One more thing, I've thought since it happened that when MM cut across Rossi's nose before the ''incident'' he tried to repeat the Argentina crash with a rear wheel to front wheel contact.... And it nearly worked, that was when Rossi had enough!!

Harryjones05 said:

You believe he will get stay?! If so it really makes a mockery of the penalty system doesn't it?!! In fairness the Misano penalty point was harsh as it had no influence to the event whatsoever with Lorenzo on a slower lap. BUT .... if he gets stay then that opens a whole new can of worms doesn't it?!!

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I have no doubt he will get a stay

Effectively he has appealed the penalty which means the imposition of the penalty as he is claiming to harsh (as I understand - and I have not read to in depth) he is not appealing the finding.

Thus to me, he will get a stay of the penalty purely as if he does not get the stay, then there is no need for the appeal as the reason why he needs the stay has now passed. Generally courts will allow appeals and will place findings on hold or stay in matters of this

I will be more surprised if he does not get the stay as if that occurs then really he may as well withdraw the appeal

Mind you, I do not know the machinations and what is being presented etc so am basing things on little knowledge but believing in fair and due process.

Harryjones05 said:

One more thing, I've thought since it happened that when MM cut across Rossi's nose before the ''incident'' he tried to repeat the Argentina crash with a rear wheel to front wheel contact.... And it nearly worked, that was when Rossi had enough!!

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I am not sure ............ I see where you are coming from but I am not sure.

To me, it looked like two petulant kids who cannot stand one another finding themselves fighting for a position within a race and because of that hatred they exaggerated each and every move in a manner of making a statement to the other.

To me, Bayliss' tweet summed it up best ......... it was not going to last with the on track intensity