Honda: Data shows Rossi kick on MM

michaelm · Nov 2, 2015

APEX said:
Can anyone explain Honda's decision to release this information now? (why wait more than 1 week to release it when the decision was being made after the race)

Also, if they are going to quote their data, how about they make it public or release it to the FIM?

I'm in favor of transparency, if it could be used as a factor, I'd like it to be officially submitted along with the telemetry of the whole race to properly ..... the situation.

Will that happen?

If it doesn't what kind of weight does this "proof" has?

Perhaps they are aghast that over that week an incident which involved their rider being taken out of the race due to an illegal move by Rossi has progressively been spun as him having taken out Rossi, some even suggesting he did this by means of a head butt.

Having lost a number one championship winning rider in the recent past, they are perhaps also disposed to more strongly support their current one. It is not as though they had no experience with that rider of a rider being taken out by Rossi then becoming the guilty party.

michaelm · Nov 2, 2015

Talpa said:
No, No my friend you can't use logic and common sense to get in the way of the VR Haters club forum. Somehow Rossi was responsible for Honda's delay in releasing this information and you will be told in every convoluted way possible very soon

#lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson

Standing on your strong past record of using logic and common sense yourself Talps?. Your most recent contributions including in this thread have mainly been to apply an expletive to anyone disagreeing with you.

As I recall last time Rossi took a rider out your attitude to provocation was rather different, and you condemned the danger involved in the reaction to that provocation, even though that reaction was a slow handclap from trackside rather than an illegal move which took a rider down.

There was also more than one world class rider involved in this fracas. Does number of titles correlate directly with truthfulness?

Talpa · Nov 2, 2015

michaelm said:
Standing on your strong past record of using logic and common sense yourself Talps?. Your most recent contributions including in this thread have mainly been to apply an expletive to anyone disagreeing with you.

As I recall last time Rossi took a rider out your attitude to provocation was rather different, and you condemned the danger involved in the reaction to that provocation, even though that reaction was a slow handclap from trackside rather than an illegal move which took a rider down.

There was also more than one world class rider involved in this fracas. Does number of titles correlate directly with truthfulness?

Just giving it the respect it deserves

#lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson

Dr No · Nov 2, 2015

Is the the Edwards #hashtag?
Yeah, he wasn't Rossi's slave or anything while at Yamaha.
Very big of you to use it, Talps, makes you look very tough

michaelm · Nov 2, 2015

Talpa said:
Just giving it the respect it deserves

#lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson

To be honest, I think the standard for how MM raced at Sepang should be what a team-mate of a contending rider would be allowed and expected to do in that situation whilst racing for position, since imo the identity of the rider is irrelevant and similar standards should be applied; if you watch a replay of the 2006 Pedrosa/Hayden contretemps it is quite noticeable that Colin Edwards was trying to hold up riders wishing to come through and challenge Valentino, which I thought was entirely normal btw.

By those standards MM was probably over the top at Sepang whilst not riding illegally, but the Thursday press conference claims were still imo ludicrous and absurd, and provocation was not necessarily one sided in this whole fracas.

Harryjones05 · Nov 2, 2015

#lookatmewhenimtalkingtoyouson

Harryjones05 · Nov 2, 2015

There are reports that Marquez was just asking Rossi for his autograph, as he has always been his idol.....Rossi just said not now son, I got a championship to try and win that you're not in.............c*nt!

michaelm · Nov 2, 2015

Harryjones05 said:
There are reports that Marquez was just asking Rossi for his autograph, as he has always been his idol.....Rossi just said not now son, I got a championship to try and win that you're not in.............c*nt!

Worse than that, I think the deluded fool may have believed he was involved in a motor race rather than a coronation ceremony.

Mr Squiggle · Nov 2, 2015

michaelm said:
Worse than that, I think the deluded fool may have believed he was involved in a motor race rather than a coronation ceremony.

He even has superpowers apparently!!!!!!

He is able to race fix whilst simultaneously winning the race...

jazkat · Nov 2, 2015

Marc Marquez said:
Of course it proofs nothing. Marquez is known for being an amateur that regularly just suddenly presses the brakes. Combining this with the statements Marquez made immediately after the race (he said Rossi kicked his brake) and the proof of the videos, it is clear that the only reasonable explanation is that Rossi didn't do anything :giggle:

Rossi harmed motorsport, but their fans are literally raping motorsport.

personally I think " he kicked my brake" is total .........

I agree that is what totally wrong for rossi to run him wide but a kick? no way...

it quite simple... rossi runs marquez wide, you can see marquez tip it in and open the throttle to try an accelerate away but I believe he clips/scoops the back of rossi's boot as you see a jolt to him and the bike.

the leg movement was a reaction from being hit by marquez as he tiped his bike in.

"Marquez's" front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash

sorry but if the front brake was pressed in it was that was because marquez tried to pull away and scooped the back of rossi's boot when he hit his leg. how the f**k could rossi kick his brake when there is a handlebar guard which protects the side and curves around the edge of the front brake??? if rossi kicked from the side or just infront then he wouldn't have touched the lever that's what they were designed for simple as that.

yes rossi pushed him wide and I think that was also wrong even if marquez was annoying him, he should have kept his cool.
but marquez's fall was his own error, rossi is as much to blame tho as he created the situation.

but I believe marquez is spouting total ....!

JPSLotus · Nov 2, 2015

Harryjones05 said:
I'm 6ft 3"...

Always good to get a confirmation that they are still stacking .... that high.

Marc Marquez · Nov 3, 2015

jazkat said:
personally I think " he kicked my brake" is total .........

I agree that is what totally wrong for rossi to run him wide but a kick? no way...

it quite simple... rossi runs marquez wide, you can see marquez tip it in and open the throttle to try an accelerate away but I believe he clips/scoops the back of rossi's boot as you see a jolt to him and the bike.

the leg movement was a reaction from being hit by marquez as he tiped his bike in.

"Marquez's" front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash

sorry but if the front brake was pressed in it was that was because marquez tried to pull away and scooped the back of rossi's boot when he hit his leg. how the f**k could rossi kick his brake when there is a handlebar guard which protects the side and curves around the edge of the front brake??? if rossi kicked from the side or just infront then he wouldn't have touched the lever that's what they were designed for simple as that.

yes rossi pushed him wide and I think that was also wrong even if marquez was annoying him, he should have kept his cool.
but marquez's fall was his own error, rossi is as much to blame tho as he created the situation.

but I believe marquez is spouting total ....!

Complete nonsense. Looks like the Nazi Goebbels tactics do work on some people.

Dr No · Nov 3, 2015

Any argument requiring exclamation!! marks!!11! to make a point is easily dismissed.

Keshav · Nov 3, 2015

Dr No said:
Any argument requiring exclamation!! marks!!11! to make a point is easily dismissed.

Interesting!!

Dr No · Nov 3, 2015

Dismissed!!!@@@!!!!!!111! etc

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 3, 2015

Marc Marquez said:
Complete nonsense. Looks like the Nazi Goebbels tactics do work on some people.

Can you please go away.

You are such a knob of such overwhelming magnitude I have an immediate reactionary compulsion to dress entirely in yellow, have a giant 46 tattooed on my forehead and purchase a bulldog christened Guido to bite you on the ....

Your posts are a constant stream of incessant uninformed, unrelenting drivel and your arrival on this board is like a sudden episode of food poisoning accompanied by a constant stream of nausea and diarrhoea. If they even had the slightest in the way of substance to them then you'd at best be the latest unflushable turd of this forum.

littlesparrows · Nov 3, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
Can you please go away.

You are such a knob of such overwhelming magnitude I have an immediate reactionary compulsion to dress entirely in yellow, have a giant 46 tattooed on my forehead and purchase a bulldog christened Guido to bite you on the ....

Your posts are a constant stream of incessant uninformed, unrelenting drivel and your arrival on this board is like a sudden episode of food poisoning accompanied by a constant stream of nausea and diarrhoea. If they even had the slightest in the way of substance to them then you'd at best be the latest unflushable turd of this forum.

eloquently put my friend.

gracias.

Rossi_fan · Nov 3, 2015

Isn't there a guard on the front brake so in a crash or what have you it doesn't get pressed?

Is Honda saying that rossi managed to fit his foot between the guard and the brake and press it while riding? I doubt his foot could even fit in that space.

jazkat · Nov 3, 2015

Rossi_fan said:
Isn't there a guard on the front brake so in a crash or what have you it doesn't get pressed?

Is Honda saying that rossi managed to fit his foot between the guard and the brake and press it while riding? I doubt his foot could even fit in that space.

exactly my point

also if you look at the video you see when marquez falls his front wheel stays locked even after rossi passes which also indicates it was marquez holding the front brake.

like I said the error was his own doing

7th Son · Nov 3, 2015

moto3 said:
MotoGP News - MotoGP: Honda believes data shows Rossi 'kick' Marquez

Honda has a data to show Rossi’s kick hit MM’s front break. Very logical statements from HRC. The data tells the truth, which makes Rossi look like whiner. :spin:

Maybe you should read that again. Or simply watch a replay. Or stand next to a race prepped bike and try to kick the brake lever. There is nothing logical about that statement. What NakiSan said is there was "sudden impact" with the lever. There is no way to say it was impact or squeeze and there is no way to kick it. If he had kicked the handle bar the bike would have gone directly into Rossi. If he kicked the side of the bike it might wobble but, like a weeble, it won't fall down.
Marquez was being an ... for reasons only he knows. He did let Lorenzo by without any attempt to stop him or keep up. His story about his tires running hot and cold and hot is BS. He did slow Rossi considerably and Rossi got all road ragey on him which I think is understandable but stupid. Marquez helmet appears to make contact with Rossis knee and Rossi kicks out and Marquez grabbed a handful of brake.

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