Casey tells Rossi to 'stop whinging'

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Aug 1 2007, 04:17 PM) [snapback]82660[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Debateable.

His peak was 05, he's leveled off since then.


Leveled of is a fair statement,he certainly hasnt got better.As a matter of fact he probably has declined just a tad but that still puts him as one of the top 2 riders in Gp.The last couple of years has not been like the 5 before where it seemed like he never fell off the bike.He now seems to make unforced errors that he hasnt made in the past,weather it be in practice or the race.The winning edge is very thin and with im guessing close to 75 million banked, it is just nature to start sowing those seeds of
self preservation.It would be nice to see him go out on top but that isnt likely to happen this year and next year Honda will have their bike figured out so that adds a couple more into the mix for 08,Some might have to face the fact that the man is human.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Aug 1 2007, 09:53 PM) [snapback]82679[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
all i'm saying is..if any of you think VR has lost his mojo, edge, balls, whatever..you're sorely mistaken...

Props to Stoner, cause he's riding his ... off....but saying a MULTI world champion with records out the wazzo has lost it..is just plain ignorant.


Gotta disagree with most of you guys. Rossi's finest effort was the 2004 season, that was his peak. Since then he has not improved, and as the new era has risen they have have caught up and passed (in Stoner's case) him. Rossi is still without a doubt in the top 3 riders this season and as far as i am concerned he is the greatest of all time, however he's not what he used to be.

For better or worse, starting at this mid point of 2007 & working backwards, Rossi's falls:

’07
U.S.A FP3
Germany Race
Great Britain FP1, FP2
Italy FP2

’06
Valencia Race
Dutch FP1
Spain Race, QP

'05
Valencia QP
Japan Race
Brno FP1
Germany FP1
Portugal FP2
Spain WUP

'04
Valencia QP2
Qatar Race
Brazil Race

’03
Germany QP1

’02
Great Britain FP1
Italy WUP
Japan FP2

’01
Australia QP1
Great Britain QP1
Catalunya ???
Italy Race

Couldn’t get info for the first three races of 2001 (He won’em though), or 2000.

He could have more falls this season, but as of right now he is most certainly not making more mistakes than in the past. & pre 2005 there may be some more that were not listed as records are sketchy at best.

wow, fair play to you digging all that info up,

i cant even imagine where you would find it.

All the info is on motogp.com, you just have to lookback through the videos....for an hour & a half

& You know, if you add all those up it's still less than Stoner last year

<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%JOKE!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Aug 1 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]82702[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Gotta disagree with most of you guys. Rossi's finest effort was the 2004 season, that was his peak. Since then he has not improved, and as the new era has risen they have have caught up and passed (in Stoner's case) him. Rossi is still without a doubt in the top 3 riders this season and as far as i am concerned he is the greatest of all time, however he's not what he used to be.



Have you never heard of West? he IS the greatest of all time!







Actually niether have I



Pete

No one called him the greatest of all time.. I merely answered the question you asked? Ant finally has the equipment to show his potential and given the chance next year, he'll hand Toseland his arse Thatll proove the worth of his 'WSBK Titles' ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Aug 2 2007, 12:39 AM) [snapback]82727[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
No one called him the greatest of all time.. I merely answered the question you asked? Ant finally has the equipment to show his potential and given the chance next year, he'll hand Toseland his arse Thatll proove the worth of his 'WSBK Titles' ..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Aug 1 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]82666[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>do you ride?
What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that people who don't ride aren't qualified to decide if a given rider is good or not based on statistical analysis? My wife doesn't ride, but she watches some of the races with me (including the annual reviews) and she can tell that Nicky Hayden was very consistent last year, Colin Edwards hasn't won a single race (commentators have been saying that on CBS and FOX so even my dog knows this), and OJ Simpson did it. Yeah, that last point was totally irrelevant, but so was yours.

I think it's great that JT has a ride. He is doing a great job this year with Ten Kate ... as I have said before - he is riding with bucket loads of aggression but totally fair.

JT is a good bloke as well from all reports and the interviews I see/hear/read about him. I think he will miss the friendliness of the superbike paddock but you can tell that he is fiercly determined. I really expect he will not be out of his element in MotoGP next year IF his team gives him a decent enough bike.

My opinion - a very welcome addition to MotoGP!

My mistake - posted this in the wrong forum! I don't know how to move it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Aug 2 2007, 12:39 AM) [snapback]82727[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
No one called him the greatest of all time.. I merely answered the question you asked? Ant finally has the equipment to show his potential and given the chance next year, he'll hand Toseland his arse Thatll proove the worth of his 'WSBK Titles' ..


Just when I was starting to warm to you...

JT finally has an opportunity to hand Ant his arse, and it'll be all the more nicer to watch considering it'll be JT's ROOKIE year, and he'll know god-all about the circuits, AND about GP bikes... compared to Ant, who has years of experience on ALL of them.

So yeah, if Toseland can beat West next year, it'll be pretty good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Aug 1 2007, 07:31 PM) [snapback]82736[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that people who don't ride aren't qualified to decide if a given rider is good or not based on statistical analysis?


precisely...






and your wife knows SQUAT!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Aug 2 2007, 02:56 PM) [snapback]82811[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
precisely...
and your wife knows SQUAT!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that people who don't ride aren't qualified to decide if a given rider is good or not based on statistical analysis?

well i think weather or not you ride is relevant if your going to stick you neck out and criticize racers. most of the time even midpack riders are within 10ths of seconds consistently behind the leader of a race and there aint to many people in the world can do this. if you rode a bike or did track days you would no this because you would be talking from experience rather than sitting in your armchair talking out your arse. a lot of riders who do track days cant be more consistent than 3 secs a lap let alone 10ths, there seems to be a lot of inexperience comments from non riders who dont consider all the facts.
get out and ride yourself then you will realize just how good even the last man is compared to you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Aug 2 2007, 09:10 AM) [snapback]82813[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
well i think weather or not you ride is relevant if your going to stick you neck out and criticize racers. most of the time even midpack riders are within 10ths of seconds consistently behind the leader of a race and there aint to many people in the world can do this. if you rode a bike or did track days you would no this because you would be talking from experience rather than sitting in your armchair talking out your arse. a lot of riders who do track days cant be more consistent than 3 secs a lap let alone 10ths, there seems to be a lot of inexperience comments from non riders who dont consider all the facts.
get out and ride yourself then you will realize just how good even the last man is compared to you.



thanks for the back-up Roger!

Yeah, that's a load of crap. All one needs to do is watch some races and see the lap times to know that the pack is within tenths of a second so try again. I've been riding since I was a kid, but my wife hasn't and doesn't even watch much racing. If she can see how close the races are, anyone can. If she can tell how much someone is getting beaten by, anyone can.

You guys who think you have some kind of inside information because you "do track days" are so full of crap it makes me giggle like a school girl. The same line of thinking would dictate that pit crews don't know a damn thing about the racing either since a lot of them don't ride. Sorry, guys, a little observation is all it takes. Get over yourselves.

By the way, weather describes whether or not it sunny or raining. Also, no is the opposite of yes. I'm not a linguist nor do I work for Merriam-Webster, but I knew that. Just an example.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crvlvr @ Jul 31 2007, 09:48 PM) [snapback]82399[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
At the same point in time last season (after 11 races) Rossi was down by 51 points to Hayden. He came back to lead Hayden by 5 point going into the last race.

The difference with Stoner is he's consistently finishing first or near the front.

I'm gutted about Rossi's DNF because that would have made it closer at the summer break or even if he had better wet finishes this year. A lot can happen in seven races though and it's going to be fun finding out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motojt @ Aug 2 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]82831[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, that's a load of crap. All one needs to do is watch some races and see the lap times to know that the pack is within tenths of a second so try again. I've been riding since I was a kid, but my wife hasn't and doesn't even watch much racing. If she can see how close the races are, anyone can. If she can tell how much someone is getting beaten by, anyone can.

You guys who think you have some kind of inside information because you "do track days" are so full of crap it makes me giggle like a school girl. The same line of thinking would dictate that pit crews don't know a damn thing about the racing either since a lot of them don't ride. Sorry, guys, a little observation is all it takes. Get over yourselves.

By the way, weather describes whether or not it sunny or raining. Also, no is the opposite of yes. I'm not a linguist nor do I work for Merriam-Webster, but I knew that. Just an example.


Like it or not, but there are quite a few comments on this foum that clearly show that people don't know too much about what they are talking about. And I'm talking about things that typically come from riding experience. Being technical, psychological or even your own examle, plain looking at the distance.

An example: most people here seems to think that Rossi most of all are so much harder on the brakes than Stoner. He is only marginally harder on the brakes, but he has higher curve speed and much faster than stoner on the second half of the curve. (untill the bike is allmost straight up) Problem is that when both decellerate it looks like he gain a lot, but on the brakes you loose a lot if the distance doesn't decrease. Oposite for accelleration. If you keep the distance to the guy in front, you are considerably faster.

So when they see someone gain a lot distance into the turn and keep the distance or even close a little et the exit they think it is the brakes while in fact mid and end corner probably add up to more gain then the braking part.

I do agree that there are a lot of people talking about things they know nothing about, but that's not really the point of this aside. Knowing the difference between late breaking and acceleration superiority wasn't the point of CURVE asking Phleg whether or not he rides. The point of their diversion was that Rossi might be losing his edge or that he's past his prime. Unless you're riding against Rossi under race conditions you're not going to gain any insight on his talent by "doing track days." Hell, Edwards has been riding with and against him for almost 5 years now and he doesn't know anything more about his riding skill than he did when he was in WSB.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Babelfish @ Aug 3 2007, 01:04 AM) [snapback]82933[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Like it or not, but there are quite a few comments on this foum that clearly show that people don't know too much about what they are talking about. And I'm talking about things that typically come from riding experience. Being technical, psychological or even your own examle, plain looking at the distance.

An example: most people here seems to think that Rossi most of all are so much harder on the brakes than Stoner. He is only marginally harder on the brakes, but he has higher curve speed and much faster than stoner on the second half of the curve. (untill the bike is allmost straight up) Problem is that when both decellerate it looks like he gain a lot, but on the brakes you loose a lot if the distance doesn't decrease. Oposite for accelleration. If you keep the distance to the guy in front, you are considerably faster.

So when they see someone gain a lot distance into the turn and keep the distance or even close a little et the exit they think it is the brakes while in fact mid and end corner probably add up to more gain then the braking part.


I don't race myself but i already knew this because i'm not ......... It may be easier to observe some things first hand by riding them, but that is not to say that someone who doesn't ride has an invalid opinion. I have met people who have done trackdays and experienced this stuff who are still clueless.