assen, round 7..... the race!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vafanculo testa di merde.



this place rocks always some funny chit from you all.

polite replys as always on here. lol now wheres that bunker / beer and hard hat

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 1 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I give a .... as well about what you say most of the time but atleast we don't say we love stoner and other hand insult the guy.
Ok OK give it a break you know what I meant. I just did it for ROg. He has his avatar with stoner wreckin in the last turn at Laguna so I had to respond. I do care usually what most of you say but I have to say that no matter what the insults towards Stoner are way to much, especially for a WC that beat Vale fair and square. I am a Rossi fan. .... I was all about naming my son after him but the wife put the big stop to that one. Funny thing is, is that my 3rd is born of Feb 16th so had she been a boy she even said she couldn't refuse that one. However I digress. I made a point to say what I said due to ROG keeping up the slag. Then of course there is my boy curve. Now I have known him perhaps longer than anyone on here so he and I joke like this all the time. It does get on my nerves how some on here would jump at the chance to take it up the dumper from Rossi so they are the ones I could give a .... about. No pun intended. LOL. Anyway this is just messin with ROg and CUrve. All the others who are in love with Vale I hope it stings.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Jul 1 2009, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this place rocks always some funny chit from you all.

polite replys as always on here. lol now wheres that bunker / beer and hard hat
Just so you know THis was a loving response for ROG. We drink virtual beers together.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok OK give it a break you know what I meant. I just did it for ROg. He has his avatar with stoner wreckin in the last turn at Laguna so I had to respond. I do care usually what most of you say but I have to say that no matter what the insults towards Stoner are way to much, especially for a WC that beat Vale fair and square. I am a Rossi fan. .... I was all about naming my son after him but the wife put the big stop to that one. Funny thing is, is that my 3rd is born of Feb 16th so had she been a boy she even said she couldn't refuse that one. However I digress. I made a point to say what I said due to ROG keeping up the slag. Then of course there is my boy curve. Now I have known him perhaps longer than anyone on here so he and I joke like this all the time. It does get on my nerves how some on here would jump at the chance to take it up the dumper from Rossi so they are the ones I could give a .... about. No pun intended. LOL. Anyway this is just messin with ROg and CUrve. All the others who are in love with Vale I hope it stings.
i did change that avi, just for you matey

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 1 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Bigs, Babel is famous for making outrageous assessments based on the most laughable "evidence" and supposition. I use to call him "eagle eyes" because he was able to determine tire issues from mere looking at it on TV, interestingly though; this superhuman power only revolved around one particular rider (guess who) during the 2007 season. Yeah, even the commentators, tire team technicians, and industry insiders had more difficulty-assessing tire wear issues than old ‘Babel the “eagle eyes” Fish’; and he did it just based on TV images! That’s right Biggy, if he can determine technical tire matters just by looking at them on TV, can you imagine just how much he could determine by being in the grandstands at the track?
Youre such a complete arsehole when you try that .... junky. Inventing history as you go were never your strong point. Lies that that are just too damned easy to prove wrong
1. Insiders and commentators where among those that agreeed with me. Your most abused race, LeMans, I heard no less than two international commentators and one national speculating in rossis tires going off early (when they in fact were too hard for the conditions)
2. It's quite amusing how you in particular as an outspoken "non technical" has so much to say about my technical comments.
3. I doubt you ever called me "eagle eyes" but it's flattering to hear for a near sighted person.

Sitting there in your sofas questioning observations are getting seriously pathetic.
I really don't know why I even bother writing this but to others it might be of interest that the thorottle thing was pointed out to me by a stoner fan.
So please go to laguna junky and spend all your energy and time in the around the depots hoping to get a glimpse of your stars. Others are probably circling the track to find the best spots and actually watch their idols while you brose through all your depot photos.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 1 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>RockGod please do a favour to yourself and remove rossi from your favourite rider list.You never appreciate the talent of the guy or give the credit where its due acutally you never miss the opportunity to undermine his abilities when ever he had bad race.
But i still gave you benefit of the doubt but new picture in your avatar cleary tells me if he was one of your favourite rider, you never would have put that picture in your avatar.
If you don't like the guy come on tell every one openly why say on one hand that he is one of your favourite rider and on other hand insult the guy when ever possible.
No hard feeling buddy, but i am sure lot of other forum members will agree with me on this.

You mean RG are a bit like the guy with a lorenzo shirt in front of us that went down at first oportunity and got himself a $50 Rossi shirt when he realized where he was seated?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 1 2009, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm pretty sure TC is a little bit more complicated than 'when it pops its on'. You could just as easily conclude that the noise Casey's bike makes is a representation of how inneficient his bikes electronics are compared to Yamahas.
And you didn't even read the post or even worse, didn't even understand it.
You're suposed to be an engineer, sharpen up.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 1 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arrabi, here is the thing brotha, Babel is saying he can determine the 'level' of TC by the "popping" sound he hears relative to other bikes (and nobody is disputing you hear this "sounds", the question/ claim is whether it be TC or a combination of other systems working and how much, as in magnitude, in relation to other bikes). I don't think he can make such an assessment by mere listening to the noise note and then concluding some linear correlation of degree; and certainly not as it relates to rider “assist”.

TC is a very complex system, as well as other systems managing the machine. Some of which also produce various sounds emanating from the machine and exhaust. (I'm laughing right now even thinking about how absurd his statement is and having to explain how its a bit more complicated than mere listening for some stuttering and then voice some iron clad declaration like Babel has done).

And as our self proclaimed expert on the complexness of the electonic systems I'm sure you can tell us lots about all those systems that generate popping or stuttering when on power through a turn.
Is it the fuel wasting system?
The power enhancemnet system?
The "makle the bike twitchy" system?
Exactly what multiple systems except from TC produce that popping and stuttering when on power in a corner Jumkie?

Or is the fact that I just might be right so unbearable that you start this crusade now trying to make me look like a fool and at the same time belittleing my friends that are Stoner and Ducati fans. Either those that pointed out to me how he used his throttle hand or those shaking their heads when the " Stoner use very little TC". Just go on Junkie, flush your credibility down the toilet where it belongs.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 29 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The bike finishes well so WTF are you talking about? There are far worse choices.

Qatar 7th
Japan 7th
Spain 6th
France 6th
Italy 5th
Spain 5th
Netherlands 5th

What I mean is he is doing extremely well on a Honda in 250 that is a bit behind power-wise but handles well so he may suit the Suzuki since it is the same situation.


Oooh did I hit a nerve . Please even the Hayate machine has been out performing both Zooks, so WTF are you talking about

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 30 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't need to lighten up you guys need to lay off the dude. It is getting to the point where people can't wait to find something to whine about with Casey.

I got a great laugh at your new avi but I could'nt help feel real sorry for you that again you feel the need to sink so low. Luckly us Rossi fans are made of harder stuff and can see the funny side(and all the underlying bitchiness of it)to your reasons to use that avi

Although I guess you would like pics of Rossi on his back.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 1 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> i did change that avi, just for you matey
I know you did bro and I will change again soon, I just think this one looks funny as hell with his legs in the air. lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean RG are a bit like the guy with a lorenzo shirt in front of us that went down at first oportunity and got himself a $50 Rossi shirt when he realized where he was seated?
LOL that is funny. It sorta is like the one guy at an Eagles game in Phia wearing a Dallas cowboys shirt with TO's number on it. I was just messin with Rog really. HE is a jokester so he understood why I put that there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 1 2009, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know you did bro and I will change again soon, I just think this one looks funny as hell with his legs in the air. lol
rossi doing some break dancing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

And let me asure you that popping from a 110db race exhaust can easily be heard through lot's of noise, besides Rossi were mostly on his own so if anything any poping would be much more noticable from him.
fair enough, no arguments there then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again, you should go there and go to the Gert Timmer stand right next to the chicane. You are at 20m or so distance from the rider. It's quite amazing how much you notice that you never get on tv even on at much more distance to. Try it.
No binoculares, no magic just plain eyesight. The same thing can be seen numerous places on the track.
this i where i need some more explanation please.
ok, i am sitting in the Geert Timmer stands, 20 m away from the track and along comes rossis silky smooth M1. the track as you face it runs from right to left yes? and the throttle is on the right hand side of the bike? (unless they switched it like they did on nickys bike ). plus the bike is not exactly standing still at that chicane oh and you just said you were near-sighted too.
so, how did you see exactly what the riders throttle hands were doing? have i got it wrong or are you putting your opinions out dressed up as facts?

<span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%and IF stoner does use more tc than anyone else, so f&king what? what does that prove? apart from it meaning that the ducati needs lots of electronic intervention to go fast. it could just mean that the ducati needs a different style to go fast. just like a honda needs to be ridden differently to a kawasaki to go fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 1 2009, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoners bike is hardly "back of the pack"

Ok you are obviously falling behind so pay attention. I pointed out that Babels attempt to draw conclusions about something far more complicated than what he thinks he hears and sees was useless as the same "evidence" could be used to draw all kinds of conclusions, depending on what you want it to mean. Your reply was that none of the bikes are inefficient so i pointed out that i was clearly speaking relative to the motogp competition, using the simple speed example to make it easier. You still missed it but you'll get there eventually i guess.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And you didn't even read the post or even worse, didn't even understand it.
You're suposed to be an engineer, sharpen up.

Read, understood and laughed. I'm not gonna sit here and try to change your mind because i know it wont work. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions. Thanks for sharing, but i don't buy it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 2 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok you are obviously falling behind so pay attention. I pointed out that Babels attempt to draw conclusions about something far more complicated than what he thinks he hears and sees was useless as the same "evidence" could be used to draw all kinds of conclusions, depending on what you want it to mean. Your reply was that none of the bikes are inefficient so i pointed out that i was clearly speaking relative to the motogp competition, using the simple speed example to make it easier. You still missed it but you'll get there eventually i guess.
we were talking about stoner duke compared to rossis yam, so why bring in back pack bikes then ? Your just taking debate on tangents again to cover you ......... who the .... are you to say stoner electronic's are very inefficient compared to yamaha's ? you work for them do you or is this more of your ........ ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 2 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>we were talking about stoner duke compared to rossis yam, so why bring in back pack bikes then ? Your just taking debate on tangents again to cover you ......... who the .... are you to say stoner electronic's are very inefficient compared to yamaha's ? you work for them do you or is this more of your ........ ?

The back of the pack bike speed thing is an example of how performance can be poor relative to the competition in motogp but be by no means slow by 'normal' standards. Just like when you claimed no motogp bikes are inefficient. As for the efficiencies of Stoner's electronics, I was just randomly speculating based on Babel's experiences. It is as valid as his ridiculous claim, but i wouldn't consider either to be worthwhile conclusions. Thats the whole point.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 2 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The back of the pack bike speed thing is an example of how performance can be poor relative to the competition in motogp but be by no means slow by 'normal' standards. Just like when you claimed no motogp bikes are inefficient. As for the efficiencies of Stoner's electronics, I was just randomly speculating based on Babel's experiences. It is as valid as his ridiculous claim, but i wouldn't consider either to be worthwhile conclusions. Thats the whole point.
Well you conclusion was made off the top of your head, at least babel was there and could hear the differing sounds ect. you now say you conclusion is ridiculous because ive called you out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 2 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you conclusion was made off the top of your head, at least babel was there and could hear the differing sounds ect. you now say you conclusion is ridiculous because ive called you out.

You have clearly not understood (some things never change). My original reply to babel, was arguing that the conclusions he made based on what he saw and heard were foolish. To make the point i added an equally ridiculous conclusion from the same evidence which was as valid and appropriate as his, just built to suit Stoner and not Rossi. I can see why you would jump on it, but it wouldn't take a lot of thought to realize what my intention was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 1 2009, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oooh did I hit a nerve . Please even the Hayate machine has been out performing both Zooks, so WTF are you talking about

14th
6th
5th
2nd
11th
14th
11th

It was all Marco for the high positions in mixed conditions not Hayate. The Kawasaki is at home in the low to mid teens and it will drift back as the season continues. The Suzuki is improving to where it belongs which is top 5 and has scored there in the last three races and will again this weekend. Kawasaki is nowhere near that point.

So why would Aoyama be ending his career going to Suzuki? If I was looking at teams and was a rookie I'd seriously look at riding the GSVR. Full factory support first year...that is a big thing as you have a say in development and get the experience. On a satellite team you can tweak the suspension and that is it. You might say he'll never win on it but will Simoncelli or anyone else? Not as long as the big three are in the game and that is another 5 years at least.