assen, round 7..... the race!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 2 2009, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You have clearly not understood (some things never change). My original reply to babel, was arguing that the conclusions he made based on what he saw and heard were foolish. To make the point i added an equally ridiculous conclusion from the same evidence which was as valid and appropriate as his, just built to suit Stoner and not Rossi. I can see why you would jump on it, but it wouldn't take a lot of thought to realize what my intention was.
facts and satire are not your strong points tom.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 2 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>facts and satire are not your strong points tom.

Thats fine, i rarely write things to be read by the type of people found here. At least you finally get it now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 2 2009, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You might say he'll never win on it but will Simoncelli or anyone else? Not as long as the big three are in the game and that is another 5 years at least.

Whenever someone mentions this I get depressed. When you look at it this is probably reality. Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and maybe Deepthroatsa are the only ones that can win races for a while. Being on a satelite means batteling for 5-10 place at best Thanks man you just ruined my day. There is always Spies though

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 1 2009, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oooh did I hit a nerve . Please even the Hayate machine has been out performing both Zooks, so WTF are you talking about



I got a great laugh at your new avi but I could'nt help feel real sorry for you that again you feel the need to sink so low. Luckly us Rossi fans are made of harder stuff and can see the funny side(and all the underlying bitchiness of it)to your reasons to use that avi

Although I guess you would like pics of Rossi on his back.
You Rossi fans are the biggest bunch of ... kissin butt loving ....... on the planet. If you are so inclined to respond to an avatar I put there to just mess with ROG that just goes to show. You are the ones who like it from the backside and Rossi on his back since all oF you "ROssi Fans", are up his ... so much. Get a grip the dude is human just like the rest of us.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 2 2009, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>facts and satire are not your strong points tom.
Oh, so then, these are not it, well then what would be his "strong points" compa? Please do tell, very curious to learn. I'm assuming you're speak of some imaginary "strong points he has tucked away somewhere?

(Cue up crickets chirping in the night)




Tom hasn't produced many, if any, rational & coherent posts in his infamous forum career of hog wash, but occasionally he stumbles on some; how’s the saying go? Even a blind dog finds a bone… Actually, I don’t think its Tom saying something semi-intelligent, but rather Babel saying something exceedingly absurd. Babel is the one that claimed he can figure out the level of TC on a bike by simply listening to it, and proclaims he can determine degree of each one, and to prove such he managed to observe throttle hand action of various riders. Hahahaha (Geez, it still makes me laugh.) Poor Tom though, even when another member throws him a bone by virtue of saying something ........, he still manages to goof up his explanation.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Youre such a complete arsehole when you try that .... junky.

Babel, I don’t particularly dislike you. If you’re ever in my neck of the woods, consider yourself invited, you’re actually the type I wouldn’t mind having a beer with and talking racing (even politics since I think I know your inclinations on the subject are similar to mine, not entirely sure, but I have a sense).

But you hang yourself by your own words. Maybe you forgot what you said, so here is a reminder:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jun 30 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh, and by the way, those who says Stoner isn't THE one using the MOST traction control out there are ......s. Doesn't matter what stoner him self says or the pope for that matter. His bike stutter around the track like no one else. Sitting at stekkenwahl made it just ridiculously obvious.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 1 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Besides, watching Stoner around the track and how he just pin the throttle wide open like no one else does kind of gave us the same impression.

Hahahahaha, dude, please, you can’t be serious. Oh Lordy, tell me you were joking and I’ll stop.

I noticed in your replies to me you didn’t bother trying to backpedal out of your ridiculous assessment that you could determined how much TC Casey was used in relation to Rossi. Ah, but your replies to Gaz & Clark reveal that you have nothing. (Frankly, the conversation should have ended with their reasonable replies, but no, you wanted to sink further).

But make no mistake; I call you on this stuff because I know your intention. You are one of a few remaining Rossi-mindless cult following cheerleaders bent on making him look perfect while you rubbish Stoner’s ability. You are distinctly different than the reasonable Rossi fans who make reasonable statements and give credit where its due. If you want an example of this, there are plenty here on the forum. I don't particularly .... on the standard Rossi fan, just the mindless ones like you. You haven’t changed because your MO started with Hayden (tis why you were detected on my radar). You’re a remaining relic of the diehard dinosaur who still thinks nobody can beat Rossi on talent alone. So you continue to find some way to rationalize the god status Rossi holds in your mind. This is why I call you “our resident tire expert” because of the pathetic excuse making you made for Rossi in 07, never giving Stoner the credit he deserved. You have continued the logic by placing TC assist as the new top reason why Stoner performs so well. Ignoring the fact that all of them have access to this technology. Regardless, you make a fool of yourself thinking you can determine the degree of TC they use by listening to some “farting” (as Garry put it, haha) from the bikes and the throttle action you think you observed, and making some absurd statement to fit your model: Rossi god—everybody else sucks. You must have thought I would let your ridiculous assessment go, implying that Casey’s TC is the assist that accounts for his performance.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Inventing history as you go were never your strong point. Lies that that are just too damned easy to prove wrong
1. Insiders and commentators where among those that agreeed with me. Your most abused race, LeMans, I heard no less than two international commentators and one national speculating in rossis tires going off early (when they in fact were too hard for the conditions)

Babel, this is exactly my point! Your defense in being WRONG is that at least others were WRONG with you??? Are you ....... kidding me? What is your point in saying this above? What I'm saying is you CANNOT make reasonable and reliable assessments by just looking at an image on TV or listening to some sound you hear at the track when a bike goes flying by. But you are NOT listening to me, and this even after you admit you were WRONG before. Are you high on drugs? Dude, again, that is my very point, stop trying to make iron clad determinations based on ridiculous and unreliable observations! You got it wrong before with the tires (and let me remind you, you didn't just get it wrong, but you went one step further, you said you observed the "tires shredding" (decidedly opposite of "shredding" was the case, the tires were like new according to Rossi because they were too hard). Hahahaha. So you didn't get it just wrong, you got it extremely wrong! But you didn't learn your lesson despite me calling you out back then. And now, you're doing it again, saying Casey is using more TC (because you hear more sounds coming from his bike) and to prove that you observed his throttle hand action, amazing!

Please, look at your statement above, point #1. You're saying that you got it wrong. But your excuse is at least others got it wrong too? Uhm, this is your brilliant defense???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>2. It's quite amusing how you in particular as an outspoken "non technical" has so much to say about my technical comments.

I said I’m a “non-technical” person in the sense that I don’t pretend to know exactly what the designers and engineers are dealing with; because I recognize my limitations of no being privy to the intricate and complex facets of technology in this sport currently. My knowledge is cursory and based on the readings and occasional conversations I have with various sources on the sport. Unlike you, I have enough sense than to stick my foot-in-mouth by making iron clad statements regarding these matter based on a mere spectator’s point of view. You might want to do the same, that is, unless you want to continue making a fool of yourself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>3. I doubt you ever called me "eagle eyes" but it's flattering to hear for a near sighted person.

Sitting there in your sofas questioning observations are getting seriously pathetic.



What is “pathetic” is you trying to deflect from your insane statements, its not working. Yeah, I called you “eagle eyes” when I said you could really see details on your TV screen that the rest of the normal world could not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I really don't know why I even bother writing this but to others it might be of interest that the thorottle thing was pointed out to me by a stoner fan.

I don’t care who pointed it out, even if it was the “pope” (as you put it), its still ridiculous!!! Why didn’t you immediately laugh and say, uhm, that’s a bit impossible to evaluate from 60-100 feet away (at speed no less). Tell me something Babel; do you know how much slack the throttle setting has for each rider? Its already fantastically amazing enough that you can distinguish the degree to which Casey’s hand was moving (twisting) compared to Rossi’s (perhaps a difference of millimeters or centimeters). But you surmised that the same reposition of movement had an equal response on the machine! Are you aware that this is NOT true; that a rider can decide how much turn of a throttle will translate into the magnitude of the input? Even I, a nobody, adjusted my bike’s throttle to make the turn of my hand (twist) longer than stock. Why, because in my mind I felt that this would give me some cushion of accidentally grabbing too much throttle. So I adjusted it longer. (Are you following along?) In other words, you “observed” Casey’s hand turn “more” on the throttle, and you automatically think this is “more” input on the bike because you compared it to Rossi’s shorter twist (I’m assuming you “observed” Rossi’s throttle hand action too, otherwise how could you compare). Re-read this last paragraph, please understand that even if I could believe you can distinguish the twist distance of the rider’s throttle action, this does NOT mean it’s the same input! You see how ridiculous it is now?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>So please go to laguna junky and spend all your energy and time in the around the depots hoping to get a glimpse of your stars. Others are probably circling the track to find the best spots and actually watch their idols while you brose through all your depot photos.

As I said before, people often hang themselves on their own words around here. This last statement is rather rich coming from a guy who just came off a race weekend and posted his pictures, proving he got a “glimpse of the stars”! Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e? Thanks for your permission Babel. You’ll be happy to know I scored some great seats, in a VIP suite for dirt cheap (somebody’s misfortune turned into my lucky fortune). But I’ll probably spend all my time lurking in the “depots” (haha, I don’t even know what you mean by that); anyway, yeah, I’ll be trying to catch a few photos of the “stars”.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 2 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You Rossi fans are the biggest bunch of ... kissin butt loving ....... on the planet. If you are so inclined to respond to an avatar I put there to just mess with ROG that just goes to show. You are the ones who like it from the backside and Rossi on his back since all oF you "ROssi Fans", are up his ... so much. Get a grip the dude is human just like the rest of us.


So your a big ... kissin' butt loving ....., since I've read many times that you said you are a Rossi fan

When did I ever state otherwise?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 2 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whenever someone mentions this I get depressed. When you look at it this is probably reality. Rossi, Stoner, Lorenzo and maybe Deepthroatsa are the only ones that can win races for a while. Being on a satelite means batteling for 5-10 place at best Thanks man you just ruined my day. There is always Spies though

You mean you didn't notice that the series is completely in Rossi's hands again? Best machine, best team, best tires, most R&D money by far. Maximum expenditure to guaranty championship after championship...with his protege watching from across the aisle. All sewn up tight.

Spies has to lose 20lbs minimum and suffer with a satellite machine until Rossi retires. There are no factory Yamaha's available until then as Lorenzo is there to stay. He has no chance to win in MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jul 2 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean you didn't notice that the series is completely in Rossi's hands again? Best machine, best team, best tires, most R&D money by far. Maximum expenditure to guaranty championship after championship...

You forgot, best rider! For all the .... I give the Rossi-mindless (and I admit, there is less and less of them around and are actually being replaced by simply reasonable Rossi-fans), he remains an extraordinary rider. Of course it doesn't help the competition that the best rider is also surrounded by the best everything. But I still think it will go down to the wire, barring any DNF from somebody.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Spies has to lose 20lbs minimum and suffer with a satellite machine until Rossi retires. There are no factory Yamaha's available until then as Lorenzo is there to stay. He has no chance to win in MotoGP.

Agree about the 20lbs or so. But perhaps he could go to Tech3 for a year, then go up to factory when Honda throw a grip of money to replace Peders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 2 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You forgot, best rider! For all the .... I give the Rossi-mindless ...

tsk tsk tsk...best rider is not provable since there is not an equitable situation to fairly compare others to him. And, there never will be. That was tried once, the year Stoner won, never to be repeated again. That year Stoner had better equipment so you couldn't compare them then either. Corporate profits won't be risked. As long as Rossi accepts the "setup" everything is hunky dory...and he clearly does.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 2 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree about the 20lbs or so. But perhaps he could go to Tech3 for a year, then go up to factory when Honda throw a grip of money to replace Peders.

I don't think Ben could stomach losing every week after this year. He'll be hard to shove into a corner and no non-factory machine will win a championship no matter who is on board. Even a fourth would tear him up. I still think this is why the Suzuki deal ultimately didn't go through. Everyone knew he would expect to have the ride to win every week and it simply wasn't going to be available. Now, it never will. Well until, Rossi retires and then there will be a total dogfight for his machine and Moto2 will be spitting out talent and Ben will be late 20's...so sad. Unless...he actually returns to Suzuki now an...better not think about it.

What we need now in MotoGP...the new subject du jour...is some kind of a spending cap. It has to happen. It seems like punishment to Yamaha for doing everything right but...what else can you do? Oh! eliminate or highly restrict traction control. That would accomplish the same thing.

Sorry for the ramble I'm bored...comeon FP1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 2 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats fine, i rarely write things to be read by the type of people found here.
If we're so beneath you, then why do you keep coming back like a bad case of thrush?

Piss off you irritating, condescending, stuck up, tool

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If we're so beneath you, then why do you keep coming back like a bad case of thrush?

Piss off you irritating, condescending, stuck up, tool

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If we're so beneath you, then why do you keep coming back like a bad case of thrush?

Piss off you irritating, condescending, stuck up, tool
couldn't have said it better myself Arrogant prick

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Jul 2 2009, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So your a big ... kissin' butt loving ....., since I've read many times that you said you are a Rossi fan

When did I ever state otherwise?
I like the dude but I sure as hell don't worship him like you guys do. The .... some of you Rossi ... pirates say is just unreal Sure Rossi is great I don't think you can debate that but this hero worship, star struck, love sick puppy shi,t is just to funny. But hey that is you so that is cool. But your not really the type I am talking about cause you can at least appriciate Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 2 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But make no mistake; I call you on this stuff because I know your intention. You are one of a few remaining Rossi-mindless cult following cheerleaders bent on making him look perfect while you rubbish Stoner’s ability. You are distinctly different than the reasonable Rossi fans who make reasonable statements and give credit where its due.
You really should know better Junky. First of all I respect Stoner just as much with or without traction control. As long as the rules are as they are I find his style both gutsy and fascinating, and the fact that non so far has been able to do the same thing says heaps about the guy.
What I actually do is calling the midless stoner fans that still think that using a lot of traction controll is some kind of defeat. And T\thereby they fight any suggestion that CS use a lot of TC.
Doesn't matter if the whole ....... depot know that he uses the TC like no one else they (and YOU for sone freak reason) are strong in their belief.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Babel, this is exactly my point! Your defense in being WRONG is that at least others were WRONG with you??? Are you ....... kidding me? What is your point in saying this above? What I'm saying is you CANNOT make reasonable and reliable assessments by just looking at an image on TV

True Jumky, you can not allways make a reliable assesment by just looking at an image, but you can speculate in the heat of the moment. And that's what commentators and fans did. Hayden fans Pedrosa fans Rossi fans mainly did the same assumption: As we saw rubber flying off a rain tire after a couple of laps we assumed the tire were shot.
It's interesting to note that you later has used this as proof of my mindless lies while the fact is that I did the same error as the wast majority. Thank god we have guys like you that come into the discussion 5 days later to put everything right. What should we do without. We certainly weren't able to read michlin's public excuse to all their riders (except HRC) getting it all wrong by supplying them with too hard tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What is “pathetic” is you trying to deflect from your insane statements, its not working. Yeah, I called you “eagle eyes” when I said you could really see details on your TV screen that the rest of the normal world could not.

If we're not counting those "normal" persons that had the answeres laid out days after the race, the rest of the normal world were pretty much in line with me under and right after the race.
So what's it gonna be Junk, about time you accept that you sometimes behave like an ..., comming on your high horse days after "Telling" us the truth.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don’t care who pointed it out, even if it was the “pope” (as you put it), its still ridiculous!!! Why didn’t you immediately laugh and say, uhm, that’s a bit impossible to evaluate from 60-100 feet away (at speed no less). Tell me something Babel; do you know how much slack the throttle setting has for each rider? Its already fantastically amazing enough that you can distinguish the degree to which Casey’s hand was moving (twisting) compared to Rossi’s (perhaps a difference of millimeters or centimeters). But you surmised that the same reposition of movement had an equal response on the machine! Are you aware that this is NOT true; that a rider can decide how much turn of a throttle will translate into the magnitude of the input? Even I, a nobody, adjusted my bike’s throttle to make the turn of my hand (twist) longer than stock. Why, because in my mind I felt that this would give me some cushion of accidentally grabbing too much throttle. So I adjusted it longer. (Are you following along?)
While I have no doubt that they can electonically adjust the throttle feel and adjust the effective stroke, but unless you have some very fancy throttle arrangement what you say is ......... You can adjsut the slack but for any normal racer that has nothing to do with response, except that any slack is unwanted slack. It's in general considered an unwanted imperfection, needed for the wire's to slide easy and ensure that the wire doesn't get stretched in any steering position. At the track most will normally adjust this down to an absolute minimum because they don't need the whole steering out on the track. Further, what they usually do with a standard bike is to put on a race roll with a much larger wheel for the wire to dramatically shorten the stroke. As long as you don't have fly by wire that's really the only way to adjust the stroke. For fly by wire I guess you could adjust the stroke physically by stoppers down at the sensor side and recalibrate the input to the new stroke.
From that I assume your adjustments at best are you making your throttle imprecise with lots of slack, at worst nothing but more .........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>In other words, you “observed” Casey’s hand turn “more” on the throttle, and you automatically think this is “more” input on the bike because you compared it to Rossi’s shorter twist (I’m assuming you “observed” Rossi’s throttle hand action too, otherwise how could you compare). Re-read this last paragraph, please understand that even if I could believe you can distinguish the twist distance of the rider’s throttle action, this does NOT mean it’s the same input! You see how ridiculous it is now?
I understand you really lack a lot of live observation of racers on track but it's quite common to have a quite violent moment when you throw the throttle open. I'm looking for an old usenet expression that illustrates it well. As for now I'll just ask for the impossible: take my word for it. Is it possible to see? Hell, I know racers you can see doing that from more than a 100 yards, easily. My point is that even for the most careful riders a full open throttle moment is distinctly different from any other throttle movement. Hard to believe I guess when you've never seen it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As I said before, people often hang themselves on their own words around here. This last statement is rather rich coming from a guy who just came off a race weekend and posted his pictures, proving he got a “glimpse of the stars”! Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
Try lousy camera instead. After a few thousand action photos that should have been boiled down to about 10 I realize mine and my ...... canon's limitations and any fast moving objects are left alone. Sorry bout that. That said it's hardly surprising that your logic fail to see the distinct difference from pit and depot pictures and race track pictures, even when the pics were taking a few seconds after the race. Who knows, with the years even you might find some true affection for the sport rather than all the fancy things around it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If we're so beneath you, then why do you keep coming back like a bad case of thrush?

Piss off you irritating, condescending, stuck up, tool

Oh i find a few things on here interesting, plenty of it amusing, and none of it particularly testing. Easy relaxation isn't it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jul 2 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like the dude but I sure as hell don't worship him like you guys do. The .... some of you Rossi ... pirates say is just unreal Sure Rossi is great I don't think you can debate that but this hero worship, star struck, love sick puppy shi,t is just to funny. But hey that is you so that is cool. But your not really the type I am talking about cause you can at least appriciate Stoner.

Your right I do appreicate Stoner very much so, but worshiping Valentino?? By stating what is pretty much fact is now worship . Can a person not admire and praise a(any) rider when he achieves something that is beyond our normal comprehension and capabilities. Your just as sad as any fanboy becasue its easy to see you take all this talking down of Stoner very personally. And that makes putting down Stoner so much fun

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 3 2009, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i find a few things on here interesting, plenty of it amusing, and none of it particularly testing. Easy relaxation isn't it.
Who is your favourite rider this weekend Tom after Yuki Takahashi sacking.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 3 2009, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh i find a few things on here interesting, plenty of it amusing, and none of it particularly testing. Easy relaxation isn't it.
your a ....... leech tom. you think your so clever ! I bet you have forgotten all the time i spent with you a couple of years ago. explaining all about degreeing in cams. you didn't get it straight away so i took time in carefully guiding you step by step. Oh and then there was the straightening of your bike frame. what was that bike ? zxr 400 or some other jap import ? Its funny when you call me thick you arrogant little .....

you say we dont understand your posts bla bla bla, you remember telling us you dont even always agree with your own posts ??

your a bigger waste of time than pinky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 3 2009, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>your a ....... leech tom. you think your so clever ! I bet you have forgotten all the time i spent with you a couple of years ago. explaining all about degreeing in cams. you didn't get it straight away so i took time in carefully guiding you step by step. Oh and then there was the straightening of your bike frame. what was that bike ? zxr 400 or some other jap import ? Its funny when you call me thick you arrogant little .....

you say we dont understand your posts bla bla bla, you remember telling us you dont even always agree with your own posts ??

your a bigger waste of time than pinky.


Its wasted valuable energy replying to that muppet

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 2 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really should know better Junky. First of all I respect Stoner just as much with or without traction control. As long as the rules are as they are I find his style both gutsy and fascinating, and the fact that non so far has been able to do the same thing says heaps about the guy.
What I actually do is calling the midless stoner fans that still think that using a lot of traction controll is some kind of defeat. And T\thereby they fight any suggestion that CS use a lot of TC.
Doesn't matter if the whole ....... depot know that he uses the TC like no one else they (and YOU for sone freak reason) are strong in their belief.

But, again Babel, where is the eveidence that he uses a lot of TC (just as there is no real evidence that he does not).

Your assumptions are based on the noise that emanates from the bike and that may well be a way of determining taht TC is indeed cutting in and playing a role, but it is no way of determining how much TC is being used. Just as a silent or near silent Yamaha passing by is no way to deteremine that it is using little TC or a lot.

The facts are that we are not privy to the workings of the teams and/or riders as regards to teh level of TC that is used by each and every rider and I doubt that we ever will know the truth in that aspect.

A secondary fact would be that each of these riders will utilise the available tools at their disposal to assist them in achieving the high results they strive to obtain. Thus all will be using TC to a heavy degree where that TC improves their laptimes or their machines driveability or even reliability (fuel). I dare say that any rider not using all tools is not achieving results suitable.

You call people ......s for not believing your assertion that CS uses the most traction control. As an aussie I will take the term ...... in the colloquial sense of a tongue in cheek insult and a compliment because I seek more proof than an opinion.








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