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AMA Season Opener: Dayton 2011

The rule is stupid. In WERA, they will allow an engine swap, but not under red flag conditions. Cant touch the bike under red. That makes sense. The way this ....... rule is written, you could fall of the lead draft and fall hopelessly behind, pull your clutch in, grenade the engine, lay oil all over the track, bring out a red flag, get a new fresh engine under the red flag that you caused and win the race. Typical DMG. Now you know why i loathe the organization, they are inept.
 
The rule is stupid. In WERA, they will allow an engine swap, but not under red flag conditions. Cant touch the bike under red. That makes sense. The way this ....... rule is written, you could fall of the lead draft and fall hopelessly behind, pull your clutch in, grenade the engine, lay oil all over the track, bring out a red flag, get a new fresh engine under the red flag that you caused and win the race. Typical DMG. Now you know why i loathe the organization, they are inept.



The racing used to be better when riders would crash and then lie in the track until they drew a red flag. After a miraculous recovery from physical injury, they would sprint back to the pits to remount on their backup bike. Those were the good ole days.
 
The racing used to be better when riders would crash and then lie in the track until they drew a red flag. After a miraculous recovery from physical injury, they would sprint back to the pits to remount on their backup bike. Those were the good ole days.

This has nothing to do with the racing, it was excellent. Its about the lack of foresight on DMG's part that would allow a new fresh motor to be installed to compete against other bikes that had what, was effectively 2 full races on their engines at that point, and by the end of the race, 3 full races, compared to 1 full race for Disalvo's. The ironic part is, DMG is run by an arm of Nascar. You cant touch a car or bike under red flag conditions in a professional series
 
This has nothing to do with the racing, it was excellent. Its about the lack of foresight on DMG's part that would allow a new fresh motor to be installed to compete against other bikes that had what, was effectively 2 full races on their engines at that point, and by the end of the race, 3 full races, compared to 1 full race for Disalvo's. The ironic part is, DMG is run by an arm of Nascar. You cant touch a car or bike under red flag conditions in a professional series



The problem was the rules back in the days when people would crash the A bike and then hop on the B bike. If they still had the same rules, DiSalvo could simply have hopped on his backup bike. They actually made the rules more strict b/c you can't switch bikes.



As far as not working on bikes in other series, you are mistaken. In Moto2 they work on the bikes under red flag conditions. Happened at both Jerez when Tomizawa crashed and Indianapolis in the first lap pileup that involved Roger Hayden. They work on the bikes as well in MotoGP like at Sachsenring in the DePuniet crash. They have over 50 bikes in the Daytona 200 so they don't even have enough officials to ban working on the bikes.



You're only pissed b/c Ducati is known for being unreliable, but the red flag bailed them out of another engine failure. Ducati got lucky. It has nothing to do with DMG's stricter rules.
 
Definition of endurance racing



common lengths of endurance races has been running for 1,000 kilometres (620 mi), or roughly six hours. Longer races can run for 1,000 miles (1,600 km), 12 hours, or even 24 hours. Teams can consist of anywhere from two to four participants per event, which is dependent on the driver's endurance abilities, length of the race, or even the rules for each event.



At club level racing, a race taking either 30 minutes or 1 hour could be considered as an endurance race.

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In this case you may be right since DMG is at club level racing
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The Daytona 200 is not an Endurance race

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You usually make these misguided posts when we are talking politics, but I suppose you're entitled to a few on motorcycle racing. How many times have I heard you say car racing cannot be compared to motorcycle racing? Yet here you pull some google .... referring to car racing. The Daytona 200 is NOT a flag to flag grand prix style race known as a "sprint race" buddy, it is certainly an endurance race. Even in your attempt to post something definitive, it still left room for other lengths, as it states "common lengths", so a 200, though not common to CAR racing, is in fact a test of endurance for motorcycle racing. Ah man, you get great training from Fox in trying to make outlandish definitive statements.



Anyway, its irrelevant, as the rules were in place before the race, and that is the only relevant point. Its just a freakish thing this happened. There were other teams changing other substantial .... unbeknownst to you or the highlighted in the media but were significant parts to the motorcycle. The engine change was simply a very dramatic series of events that occurred because it happened at the exact time of the red flag and was one of the front runners, coupled with the odd extended stoppage. The rule is usually limited because most red flags expire in less time and foreseeing such an extensive part change is a non issue. But you sound like they wrote in the new stricter rules because they wanted to cheat. If anything, you should be bitching about Dunlop and their failure to bring in a durable tire foreseeing a degree change. Though I give them props for deciding to stop the show at the expense of them looking like idiots in favor of rider safety. Because fact is, if somebody would have got seriously hurt or killed, a decision to look incompetent on national TV is pale in comparison. They did the right thing. (Tangent: Yeah, some of you may be thinking it was an overreaction, but your not the rider behind the bars risking his life. If you have it recorded, listen to Eslick's interview while in the race. He is asked how do you feel about going back out there, he says, not that great, as the tire issue will be on the back of his mind. These are real life and death situations, and Dunlop did the right thing, so kudos to them. )



Anyway, make no mistake, this is an endurance race, it is not however a car race. DiSalvo's team was under the same rules as every other team. At any point the race could have ben restarted, say even 3 minutes before they were complete and the race would have gone on without him. That was an extraordinary effort, and it paid off. Its one for the record books!
 
Dude Jumkie..... you want to know what an endurance race is? Try 8 Hours of Suzuka. Sorry bud, but 45 minutes of racing is hardly consider endurance..... mabye for you, but not for these so called 'professional' riders. OUCH !!
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You usually make these misguided posts when we are talking politics, but I suppose you're entitled to a few on motorcycle racing. How many times have I heard you say car racing cannot be compared to motorcycle racing? Yet here you pull some google .... referring to car racing. The Daytona 200 is NOT a flag to flag grand prix style race known as a "sprint race" buddy, it is certainly an endurance race. Even in your attempt to post something definitive, it still left room for other lengths, as it states "common lengths", so a 200, though not common to CAR racing, is in fact a test of endurance for motorcycle racing. Ah man, you get great training from Fox in trying to make outlandish definitive statements.



Anyway, its irrelevant, as the rules were in place before the race, and that is the only relevant point. Its just a freakish thing this happened. There were other teams changing other substantial .... unbeknownst to you or the highlighted in the media but were significant parts to the motorcycle. The engine change was simply a very dramatic series of events that occurred because it happened at the exact time of the red flag and was one of the front runners, coupled with the odd extended stoppage. The rule is usually limited because most red flags expire in less time and foreseeing such an extensive part change is a non issue. But you sound like they wrote in the new stricter rules because they wanted to cheat. If anything, you should be bitching about Dunlop and their failure to bring in a durable tire foreseeing a degree change. Though I give them props for deciding to stop the show at the expense of them looking like idiots in favor of rider safety. Because fact is, if somebody would have got seriously hurt or killed, a decision to look incompetent on national TV is pale in comparison. They did the right thing. (Tangent: Yeah, some of you may be thinking it was an overreaction, but your not the rider behind the bars risking his life. If you have it recorded, listen to Eslick's interview while in the race. He is asked how do you feel about going back out there, he says, not that great, as the tire issue will be on the back of his mind. These are real life and death situations, and Dunlop did the right thing, so kudos to them. )



Anyway, make no mistake, this is an endurance race, it is not however a car race. DiSalvo's team was under the same rules as every other team. At any point the race could have ben restarted, say even 3 minutes before they were complete and the race would have gone on without him. That was an extraordinary effort, and it paid off. Its one for the record books!

You do realize that there are real endurance motorcycle races, dont you? . I guess you think in track and field, the 400 meters is n endurance race because its 4 times further than the 100 meter sprint. All you have to do is look at the lap times, they are not pacing themselves. Its a 200 mile sprint. These are endurance races,Suzuka 8 Hour, 24 Hours at Le Mans and 24 Hours Bol D’or, 8 hours of Doha. They actually have an FIM endurance series, check it out sometimes.
 
Anyway, its irrelevant, as the rules were in place before the race, and that is the only relevant point. Its just a freakish thing this happened. There were other teams changing other substantial .... unbeknownst to you or the highlighted in the media but were significant parts to the motorcycle. The engine change was simply a very dramatic series of events that occurred because it happened at the exact time of the red flag and was one of the front runners, coupled with the odd extended stoppage. The rule is usually limited because most red flags expire in less time and foreseeing such an extensive part change is a non issue. But you sound like they wrote in the new stricter rules because they wanted to cheat. If anything, you should be bitching about Dunlop and their failure to bring in a durable tire foreseeing a degree change. Though I give them props for deciding to stop the show at the expense of them looking like idiots in favor of rider safety. Because fact is, if somebody would have got seriously hurt or killed, a decision to look incompetent on national TV is pale in comparison. They did the right thing. (Tangent: Yeah, some of you may be thinking it was an overreaction, but your not the rider behind the bars risking his life. If you have it recorded, listen to Eslick's interview while in the race. He is asked how do you feel about going back out there, he says, not that great, as the tire issue will be on the back of his mind. These are real life and death situations, and Dunlop did the right thing, so kudos to them. )



Good point. Stopping the race for a suspected tire issue does feel like a departure from "riders have a comfort zone the size of a gnat," unilaterally declaring VIR and Mid Ohio rain-safe, Heartland Park, persisting with unsafe pace-car policy, and the Iowa Moto-St flap. If Sheriff Roger were still running things, who knows what would have happened? It's too bad the 200 ran into more organizational trouble, but at least DMG made a decision with rider safety in mind.
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You do realize that there are real endurance motorcycle races, dont you? .
Yes actually and particularly. The highest purse race in the western hemisphere of the planet was the Toyota 200 motorcycle race. I was involved in a few (not as a rider, but support).





I guess you think in track and field, the 400 meters is n endurance race because its 4 times further than the 100 meter sprint. All you have to do is look at the lap times, they are not pacing themselves. Its a 200 mile sprint. These are endurance races,Suzuka 8 Hour, 24 Hours at Le Mans and 24 Hours Bol D’or, 8 hours of Doha. They actually have an FIM endurance series, check it out sometimes.



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That's the best you can do? Its wasn't enough that you pulled a car definition, but now you go to track and field? Hahahaha. Lap times have zero to do with it, again, you are reaching. I can assure you that even in a 200 mile motorcycle race, the rider are in fact pacing themselves. That they are fast even while pacing themselves is irrelevant even to the lack of the logic in your point buddy. Anyway, its of no consequence to the original point, that the DiSalvo team won fair and square under the rulebook.
 
I'll post more on my experience at the 200 when I get some time this week. In the meantime heres the view from where I was standing

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Holy ....! Here is something funny. I was searching Youtube to look for Zemke's pitstop because you told me you were in the camera shot. And I ran across your vid. I was like, ...., this is a point of view from the pit, I want to see the TV feed one so I can see you in it. Who would have known it was you shooting the vid!?!
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That's a good vid bro. They did a fantastic job. If you can, check out the Speed Report for this weekend. They have a top five snippet of these weekend's events. 3rd was Benny Solis' crash where the bike he tried to avoid ghost rode across the horseshoe and back onto the track just avoiding the lead rider Thomas Puerta. Had it hit him, most likely it would have cause serious injury if not death. Crazy ..... Life is but held by a string and we don't know it. That's why Benny's dad told you nothing else matters, as long as he's ok. I'm sure they see this kind of thing much more often than us and know the danger involved in racing.



Thanks for sending me the pics from the track bro.
 
The "endurance" label gets thrown around a lot.



Five hundred mile Indy Car races have been called enduros by drivers and fans. Drivers used to hour-long open wheel and touring car races have referred to FIA GT and the ALMS as "endurance racing," even though the running time is commonly 500k or two hours and 45 minutes.



Two hundred miles is significant given the length of time these riders are used to. What else should we call it?
 
I don't really consider Daytona to be an endurance race, but the point is that it isn't a traditional sprint.



BTW, does anyone know what's up with OTT? Are they on the skids. I look forward to their pre-race live shows with the pundits and riders, but they haven't generated any Daytona media at all let alone webcasts.
 
That crash at the finish was frightening. Wow!



If you blow up your bike, you can't restart the race.



I agree with Jumkie. The stars aligned perfectly for Jason.
 
I don't really consider Daytona to be an endurance race, but the point is that it isn't a traditional sprint.



BTW, does anyone know what's up with OTT? Are they on the skids. I look forward to their pre-race live shows with the pundits and riders, but they haven't generated any Daytona media at all let alone webcasts.

I was wondering the same thing about OTT. But I have a feeling Speed ch. probably put pressure on AMA to can them, cuz they want all the coverage or lack there of.





Anyway, hey guys check out this vid of Benny's crash in SS race 2. I'm not a religious man by any stretch, but man, that looks like divine intervention if I ever did see it: LINK
 
Going to catch a lot of .... for this, but here goes. Why is the AMA still racing at Daytona? I know about tradition and all that stuff, but really, Daytona. My oldest son who loves to watch road racing even said Dad this is boring, and I kind of agreed with him.

And the Daytona 200 winner? Hmmm...how can I sum this up? You bang a whore, you loose the kingdom.
 
I don't think it is boring in the least bit. The 600's have been scary there for years. I've been expecting what happened at the finish for a long time.