Because I'm dumb and can't read long paragraphs of more than 3 sentences can someone please explain in laymans's terms what the new bosses of the AMA are trying to do? Are they trying to make 600's the premier class? WTF is going on over there?
Lets F##K-UP the AMA!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bull Goose @ Apr 20 2008, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes.
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If that's the case - good luck! You need it more than we do - and we need it a lot!!
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If that's the case - good luck! You need it more than we do - and we need it a lot!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Apr 19 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought they would screw things up, and they are proving me right. What they are not taking into account is the American culture is still predominantly a car culture. Motorcyclists on the otherhand are still on the fringes of popularity. On the otherhand, maybe if they completely .... it up some other group will begin another series to compete with what I am sure will become NASCAR on two wheels.
They could have a Champ Car-Indy split in a few years with the Big guys moving away from the Nascar league until that series losses a bit of support because of idiots running the series, eventually ending up joining back together 12 years later with about 10 fans. That is about how the Champ Car- Indy Car thing is right now. Now one will care about the series and it will go under.
They could have a Champ Car-Indy split in a few years with the Big guys moving away from the Nascar league until that series losses a bit of support because of idiots running the series, eventually ending up joining back together 12 years later with about 10 fans. That is about how the Champ Car- Indy Car thing is right now. Now one will care about the series and it will go under.
If this really happens, you Brits are going to need to have a BSB weekend for me to come to. I will not attend a Nascar SBK event again.
Wow....nothing is even finalised and you guys are off the deep end. Give it some time, lets see what the ACTUAL format for next year is going to be and lets see what the racing is like. MANY people thought the spec tire rule would kill SBK but it didn't.......sheeesh....just hold on for a bit and lets see what happens.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (machmanzx10r @ Apr 21 2008, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow....nothing is even finalised and you guys are off the deep end. Give it some time, lets see what the ACTUAL format for next year is going to be and lets see what the racing is like. MANY people thought the spec tire rule would kill SBK but it didn't.......sheeesh....just hold on for a bit and lets see what happens.
yeah cause a TIRE rule change is the same
yeah cause a TIRE rule change is the same
These decisions hit home for me. Being a young road racer that I am with aspirations to one day be able to compete in an AMA race, I am not sure what to think of this. I hope to god this does not crush my hopes and dreams.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 21 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah cause a TIRE rule change is the same
You are correct.....It may not be the same thing, but look at how good the racing is!
I think we just need to sit back and see what exactly happens for 09.
You are correct.....It may not be the same thing, but look at how good the racing is!
I think we just need to sit back and see what exactly happens for 09.
Are these new rule proposals supposed to be in favour of budgets and safetey? Or are they being made pureley for excitement. It has occured to me that 600cc premier class idea will instantly shut out KTM, Aprilia and BMW who are in the process of developing superbikes. This combined with the annoyance of the Japanese factories makes me wonder what manufacturer support the AMA expects to get?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 22 2008, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are these new rule proposals supposed to be in favour of budgets and safetey? Or are they being made pureley for excitement.
Excitement, that is what the France family (NASCAR) is all about. I don't mind the idea of 600s racing. If all the factories participate, bringing the top riders with them, this could be an amazing series. In addition, it's a good possibility that DMG will make sure each model of bike is basicly the same, which means we could see Attack and Emgo winning races!
Excitement, that is what the France family (NASCAR) is all about. I don't mind the idea of 600s racing. If all the factories participate, bringing the top riders with them, this could be an amazing series. In addition, it's a good possibility that DMG will make sure each model of bike is basicly the same, which means we could see Attack and Emgo winning races!
Here is an interesting perspective from American Honda. He makes some interesting points. I think things are going to be less than interesting.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080424-0912sa.htm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080424-0912sa.htm
This whole proposal is a mixed bag.
The prevalence of the manufacturers is what's ruined the AMA and banished the riders into obscurity. I'm really glad DMG are trying to break the manufacturers. DMG knows America is a big market and they know the manufacturers will participate regardless (same as NASCAR). I'm sure DMG will elevate the rider and use him to promote the sport.
I'm also confident DMG will attract good sponsors. Racing is the only sport where quality sponsors are important for covering the racing budget, so I think privateer teams will get better funding
I'm really dismayed by the class changes though. I like that they are trying to boot all of the amateurs to MotoST by cutting a few classes. I wasn't keen on watching B flight talent send the A flight talent into the bin during lap traffic incidents. I'm glad they've kept MotoST and it appears as though they are going to keep it amateur.
I really don't know what to think about a 600cc superbike class. Plus I can't help but think that the move is somewhat related to the new 4 stroke classes they will be introducing in GP. So basically the AMA is going to become a feeder class for GP? Basically American motorcyclists will all be 5' 120 pounds by the time the next decade is out?
Honda had it right in their article. The thrill of superbike racing is watching someone ride a bike that was not meant to be ridden. I hope this liter bike class is essentially the old-fashioned fire breathing dragon class. No electronics. Retrofitted carburetor. Throttle wires that don't carry any 1's or 0's.
DMG seems to be taking a big risk without a big reward. Eliminating classes will save money but I'm not sure it will save the AMA.
The prevalence of the manufacturers is what's ruined the AMA and banished the riders into obscurity. I'm really glad DMG are trying to break the manufacturers. DMG knows America is a big market and they know the manufacturers will participate regardless (same as NASCAR). I'm sure DMG will elevate the rider and use him to promote the sport.
I'm also confident DMG will attract good sponsors. Racing is the only sport where quality sponsors are important for covering the racing budget, so I think privateer teams will get better funding
I'm really dismayed by the class changes though. I like that they are trying to boot all of the amateurs to MotoST by cutting a few classes. I wasn't keen on watching B flight talent send the A flight talent into the bin during lap traffic incidents. I'm glad they've kept MotoST and it appears as though they are going to keep it amateur.
I really don't know what to think about a 600cc superbike class. Plus I can't help but think that the move is somewhat related to the new 4 stroke classes they will be introducing in GP. So basically the AMA is going to become a feeder class for GP? Basically American motorcyclists will all be 5' 120 pounds by the time the next decade is out?
Honda had it right in their article. The thrill of superbike racing is watching someone ride a bike that was not meant to be ridden. I hope this liter bike class is essentially the old-fashioned fire breathing dragon class. No electronics. Retrofitted carburetor. Throttle wires that don't carry any 1's or 0's.
DMG seems to be taking a big risk without a big reward. Eliminating classes will save money but I'm not sure it will save the AMA.
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Does everyone realize the obvious consequence of having DMG involved is network coverage for the AMA?
If AMA gets network coverage, ad revenues go up. If ad revenues go up teams have bigger budgets and can pay better and run more machines. The more machines and the better the talent, the more money the organizers make as the fanbase rises. The more the organizers make, the better the circuits will become. America is such a blank canvas for road-racing circuits, I wouldn't be surprised if DMG starts building circuits.
There aren't any major spec bike series anywhere in the world, so DMG has the ability to create an entirely new market. If DMG can get revenues flowing to the teams and into the pockets of major riders, talent will start coming to the U.S. Furthermore, many upstart talents will be intrigued by the idea of having access to the same equipment used by championship contending teams and riders.
Everything in this plan hinges around improving facilities over time. That could prove to be a bit difficult, but who knows. If the AMA gets enough international talent, they may start running races overseas.
This plan has more potential than I originally realized. This take over could end up being really good if DMG have the patience to see this long-term plan through to the end.
I'm unconvinced they won't get impatient though. I'm hoping the investment they made was small so they won't be overly anxious to turn a buck.
If you can see really far into the future: assume AMA does go international and it has a good viewership internationally. DMG will use AMA to get coverage for NASCAR in foreign markets.
If AMA gets network coverage, ad revenues go up. If ad revenues go up teams have bigger budgets and can pay better and run more machines. The more machines and the better the talent, the more money the organizers make as the fanbase rises. The more the organizers make, the better the circuits will become. America is such a blank canvas for road-racing circuits, I wouldn't be surprised if DMG starts building circuits.
There aren't any major spec bike series anywhere in the world, so DMG has the ability to create an entirely new market. If DMG can get revenues flowing to the teams and into the pockets of major riders, talent will start coming to the U.S. Furthermore, many upstart talents will be intrigued by the idea of having access to the same equipment used by championship contending teams and riders.
Everything in this plan hinges around improving facilities over time. That could prove to be a bit difficult, but who knows. If the AMA gets enough international talent, they may start running races overseas.
This plan has more potential than I originally realized. This take over could end up being really good if DMG have the patience to see this long-term plan through to the end.
I'm unconvinced they won't get impatient though. I'm hoping the investment they made was small so they won't be overly anxious to turn a buck.
If you can see really far into the future: assume AMA does go international and it has a good viewership internationally. DMG will use AMA to get coverage for NASCAR in foreign markets.
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Who cares if the revenues go up if the racing SUCKS!!!! ON .... Bikes!!! .... riders!!! Its a club racing event then. Who in the world would ever get the chance to go race at a real level such as the GPs or WSBK? Our country is run by homos and tree huggers that are killing the nation. THe one thing we have that seemed to be good is now going to .... to. The hell with DMG and the Nascar mentality. You have to maintain a level on par with the rest of the globe to ensure we have a presence in the world arena. DMG is about to kill all that hope. ........ motor group should be their new name. Sorry but I am really pissed about this I don't mean to offend any ....'s.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Jun 26 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who cares if the revenues go up if the racing SUCKS!!!! ON .... Bikes!!! .... riders!!! Its a club racing event then. Who in the world would ever get the chance to go race at a real level such as the GPs or WSBK? Our country is run by homos and tree huggers that are killing the nation. THe one thing we have that seemed to be good is now going to .... to. The hell with DMG and the Nascar mentality. You have to maintain a level on par with the rest of the globe to ensure we have a presence in the world arena. DMG is about to kill all that hope. ........ motor group should be their new name. Sorry but I am really pissed about this I don't mean to offend any ....'s.
How is the racing going to suck. Mladin & Spies have identical equipment (in theory). They usually have some pretty good battles and close races. Now imagine you hand out very similar bikes to everyone on the entire grid.
Please tell me how that could worsen the competitive environment and the racing?
The only thing it worsens is the manufacturers death grip on the series. I hope the continue to participate, but if they new the power of branding, they wouldn't be so uptight. They can easily spend less and sell more if they get on board.
How is the racing going to suck. Mladin & Spies have identical equipment (in theory). They usually have some pretty good battles and close races. Now imagine you hand out very similar bikes to everyone on the entire grid.
Please tell me how that could worsen the competitive environment and the racing?
The only thing it worsens is the manufacturers death grip on the series. I hope the continue to participate, but if they new the power of branding, they wouldn't be so uptight. They can easily spend less and sell more if they get on board.
Watch a Grand Am race. All the drivers in the the Daytona Prototype's have different cars but made by different companies. The racing sucks and the companies who want to spend more win.
I guarentee and will bet you if they do go through with these rules, every single manufacter will leave. Honda, Suzuki (which have already threathened), Yamaha, Kawasaki will all be gone from NASBIKE.
I guarentee and will bet you if they do go through with these rules, every single manufacter will leave. Honda, Suzuki (which have already threathened), Yamaha, Kawasaki will all be gone from NASBIKE.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 26 2008, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How is the racing going to suck. Mladin & Spies have identical equipment (in theory). They usually have some pretty good battles and close races. Now imagine you hand out very similar bikes to everyone on the entire grid.
Please tell me how that could worsen the competitive environment and the racing?
The only thing it worsens is the manufacturers death grip on the series. I hope the continue to participate, but if they new the power of branding, they wouldn't be so uptight. They can easily spend less and sell more if they get on board.
Please if I have to get in depth with this you have no clue or you work for DMG.
Please tell me how that could worsen the competitive environment and the racing?
The only thing it worsens is the manufacturers death grip on the series. I hope the continue to participate, but if they new the power of branding, they wouldn't be so uptight. They can easily spend less and sell more if they get on board.
Please if I have to get in depth with this you have no clue or you work for DMG.
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Mother of All Bombshells: Manufacturers Considering Rival Series
by staff
Thursday, June 26, 2008
This just in from the Motorcycle Industry Council, which encompasses all of the OEMS here in the United States:
Motorcycle Industry Council Evaluating Issuance of
Request for Proposal for U.S. Road Racing Series
IRVINE, Calif., June 26, 2008 - The Motorcycle Industry Council, on behalf of its 300-plus members, is evaluating whether to issue a request for proposal seeking a series promoter and sanctioning body for a premier professional road racing series in the United States.
"Our members are better served by having alternatives to the changes for the AMA Superbike Championship that the Daytona Motorsports Group has so far described," said MIC President Tim Buche. "We fully appreciate the expertise, hard work and connections the DMG may bring to motorcycling. However, the independent interests of the manufacturers call for a racing series that helps promote specific motorcycle brands. Historically, motorcycle makers have boosted bike sales based on their success in racing. It makes little sense for bike manufacturers to heavily invest in any competition that highlights sponsors and teams and downplays the machines themselves, as well as their technological development. So we are obliged to investigate alternatives that could do a better job of meeting our members' respective marketing needs. This is especially true given that it's now late June and there is still uncertainty over the DMG's 2009 rules."
The MIC intends to consider input from key industry stakeholders including racetrack owners, riders, interested sponsors, and enthusiast and trade media.
The MIC wants a racing series that best promotes rider safety, competition, innovation, racetrack attendance, television viewership and ridership. The MIC also wants a championship that ultimately benefits the consumer - an exciting, popular series that develops new technology that finds its way to production motorcycles. The series should be clearly recognized as the top level of U.S. road racing, drawing both world-class riders and upcoming stars.
I did say this was coming!!!
by staff
Thursday, June 26, 2008
This just in from the Motorcycle Industry Council, which encompasses all of the OEMS here in the United States:
Motorcycle Industry Council Evaluating Issuance of
Request for Proposal for U.S. Road Racing Series
IRVINE, Calif., June 26, 2008 - The Motorcycle Industry Council, on behalf of its 300-plus members, is evaluating whether to issue a request for proposal seeking a series promoter and sanctioning body for a premier professional road racing series in the United States.
"Our members are better served by having alternatives to the changes for the AMA Superbike Championship that the Daytona Motorsports Group has so far described," said MIC President Tim Buche. "We fully appreciate the expertise, hard work and connections the DMG may bring to motorcycling. However, the independent interests of the manufacturers call for a racing series that helps promote specific motorcycle brands. Historically, motorcycle makers have boosted bike sales based on their success in racing. It makes little sense for bike manufacturers to heavily invest in any competition that highlights sponsors and teams and downplays the machines themselves, as well as their technological development. So we are obliged to investigate alternatives that could do a better job of meeting our members' respective marketing needs. This is especially true given that it's now late June and there is still uncertainty over the DMG's 2009 rules."
The MIC intends to consider input from key industry stakeholders including racetrack owners, riders, interested sponsors, and enthusiast and trade media.
The MIC wants a racing series that best promotes rider safety, competition, innovation, racetrack attendance, television viewership and ridership. The MIC also wants a championship that ultimately benefits the consumer - an exciting, popular series that develops new technology that finds its way to production motorcycles. The series should be clearly recognized as the top level of U.S. road racing, drawing both world-class riders and upcoming stars.
I did say this was coming!!!
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