Bostrom Laguna Seca

FTE217 said:

rippa thread and lets go fishing

I can't help but say what a comeback JohnnyK after Jumkie's opening. Your both very good with spin or just damn good ex debaters since your college days

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JK & I get along like that, its the strength of friendship when you can call eachother ....... and cabrones. hehe. The problem is that Bostrom DNFed. Had he finished the race in last, then JK would have more of a point, but now that he DNFed, we have to go to the classification. That's the thing, and there is no way around it. JK's post was brilliant on insult, but still fails in logic (and that was his point actually, thats what makes it so witty), as it really didnt attempt to point out this technicality ( tho he says I'm citing it to "weasel" out. ) Bboz DNFed, so then where do we put him, we can't among the finishers, otherwise Elias is last, so among the DNFs is Bautista last or Crutchlow, if we r to skip Bostrom just cuz we feel like not making the painful concede? (haha, too funny). Its not complicated, its rather a very simple issues. So those above subverting their vote, if they were serious, (which we know they are not otherwise we could certify them retarded) would have to make sense of place 16 & 14, both of which DNFed. JK is wrong, he pretty much admitted it, regardless of his great pout. It reminds me of something my dad use to say when watching a baseball game where the losing team would make a run in the 9th inning but was still going to lose. He'd call it, "kicks of a drowning man".



Its all good. We still love eachother. To quote my fav all time movie "...., i like u, hell u can come over and F my sister."

lad said:

On the merits of that last post alone Johnny wins hands down!

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I am drunk and I wrote you a poem... (ellipsis again FRED!)





Sam I am

I agree with you 75% of the time,

but this is more sublime

It's spam (Sam I am).



Ben had a bike that went,

and he rode into the pits

and had a bit of a vent.



The kitty litter is hard

I'm riding like a tard

and whilst I haven't binned it

I'll never win it



I'll in fact be lapped

By Stoner Lorenzo

and Puigs love tap.



So rather than try

I'll just have a cry

and drive to the pits

and act like I've the ......



But last is last

and being a wuss

the greatest laugh



Because whilst the others binned it

racing hard and wishing to win it

Ben rode in like a fairy

All pale and scaredy



That's right!

A scaredy cat

In his chair he sat



And said, .... me they're fast

I was going to get passed

But it still don't change it

Benny came last

If the alternative to ben being on a second lcr honda was no second lcr honda, which seems likely, I can't see the problem. He may well have been instructed not to crash the bike whatever else he did.

Andy Roo said:

I am drunk and I wrote you a poem... (ellipsis again FRED!)





Sam I am

I agree with you 75% of the time,

but this is more sublime

It's spam (Sam I am).



Ben had a bike that went,

and he rode into the pits

and had a bit of a vent.



The kitty litter is hard

I'm riding like a tard

and whilst I haven't binned it

I'll never win it



I'll in fact be lapped

By Stoner Lorenzo

and Puigs love tap.



So rather than try

I'll just have a cry

and drive to the pits

and act like I've the ......



But last is last

and being a wuss

the greatest laugh



Because whilst the others binned it

racing hard and wishing to win it

Ben rode in like a fairy

All pale and scaredy



That's right!

A scaredy cat

In his chair he sat



And said, .... me they're fast

I was going to get passed

But it still don't change it

Benny came last

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HHAHAHAHA! .... me Andy thats a fine poem. Drunk? I'd say ur on some good smack or LSD. Good .... dude. U ...... up by not making the trip. Thats all we did is be drunk. U could hav been serenading us all with poetry.

michaelm said:

If the alternative to ben being on a second lcr honda was no second lcr honda, which seems likely, I can't see the problem. He may well have been instructed not to crash the bike whatever else he did.

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Well GP machines r easy to ride. Havnt u heard?

I have to start using the pissed thread - post here when drunk.



Seriously though Jum, Ben came last



This morning I heard the 'VB' add (Victoria Bitter) and nearly threw up. Yeah, just get your mates around and have two quiet beers.



We watched the race again and had a vote, and by plebiscite in my lounge room Ben Rostrum (NOT) (who none of us know other than that race) came last.



Lorenzo and Stoner got superman capes and we sent Pedro (mentally) a get well card and Rossi and Nicki a Yamaha frame.

Tough one. Technically he didn't finish last. But was beyond last if the spirit of the bet is taken into account.

To finish last, first one must finish so by that he did not finish last as he did not finish.



But I also see why some feel he did finish last, but for mine he did not as that 'honour' goes to the last rider to receive the chequered flag - Elias







Yes it is a technicality but if one says that Bostrom was last because he did not crash but withdrew (let us not go there again), then the same must apply to all riders who crash out and withdraw.











Gaz

Andy Roo said:

I am drunk and I wrote you a poem... (ellipsis again FRED!)





Sam I am

I agree with you 75% of the time,

but this is more sublime

It's spam (Sam I am).



Ben had a bike that went,

and he rode into the pits

and had a bit of a vent.



The kitty litter is hard

I'm riding like a tard

and whilst I haven't binned it

I'll never win it



I'll in fact be lapped

By Stoner Lorenzo

and Puigs love tap.



So rather than try

I'll just have a cry

and drive to the pits

and act like I've the ......



But last is last

and being a wuss

the greatest laugh



Because whilst the others binned it

racing hard and wishing to win it

Ben rode in like a fairy

All pale and scaredy



That's right!

A scaredy cat

In his chair he sat



And said, .... me they're fast

I was going to get passed

But it still don't change it

Benny came last

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Great thread.

Jonny K, your retort is pure gold. Mr. Roo, you are a poetic philanthropist (or should that be philanthro-pissed ).

I have been vocal for a long time, that everyone of these guys in MotoGP deserves respect. Even the guy running last in MotoGP, would likely still whip the ass of most other riders in other series.

In this case, BB is a quitter !!!

I am sure there was pressure on him (possibly financial penalties) not to bin the bike, BUT, he was given the opportunity to race a MotoGP bike, and basically he quit because he couldn't keep up. There is no shame in running around 2 laps behind everyone else unless he does something stupid and takes out the leaders - which a guy of this experience shouldn't do.

I don't know that much about Ben B, but the guy should have pushed on, and personally I was disappointed he didn't.

This was also an opportunity for LCR to guage the speed of Tony E against another rider, and get an outside perspective on the setup of their bike.



However, a bet is a bet, and I don't believe BB finished last. Jum, your opening argument is solid.

The fact that BB is a quitter shouldn't come in to it. What if he was forced in to the pits with a flat, or mechanical failure, or the bike exploded in flames, at the same time he decided to pull in. Both RDP and Simoncelli crashed while BB was still circulating, therefore he outlasted them, and therefore is not last. Finishing last should not be the guy last on track and still running at the finish.

However, if Bostrom had kept running, he could have finished in 14th, maybe 13th. His job was to run around on the bike, at the best pace he could, and get exposure for his sponsors (although he probably got more coverage by pulling out - so maybe is not as silly as I think).



Bottom Line - even though the poll is giving it to Jonny K, I believe RDP was last, and therefore am looking forward to the literary gold from Jonny K, and to learning something about Ben Bostrom.

Tom said:

Don't hate the player hate the game.

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Your Kidding. Many people would have done anything for that ride. What Mr. Bostrom did was pathetic.



I am of course not saying I could ride that bike at all, let alone perform, but I would have hoped that if I ever got an equivalent opportunity in something, I would show a lot more respect.

browney said:

Your Kidding. Many people would have done anything for that ride. What Mr. Bostrom did was pathetic.



I am of course not saying I could ride that bike at all, let alone perform, but I would have hoped that if I ever got an equivalent opportunity in something, I would show a lot more respect.

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Yes but what was Ben supposed to do? Say no thanks someone else probably wants it more... Then the sponsors walk because they haven't got the guy they want and nobody gets a go. That is no better

You can criticize the guy all you want, but you have to think about the pressures he was facing. Firstly, with one bike each and having them both thrown them away simultaneously on Friday (I believe, could've been Saturday), I'm sure Cecchinello made it clear that he didn't want anyone falling off. Then there was the issue with the shifter. It's difficult enough to get to grips with a GP in the span of four hours or so (which he did, as he got ahead of both Elias and Capirossi at one stage of the race), but it's quite another to do that and try to ride around a problem. Finally, what is there to gain by riding around a problem, hoping he doesn't crash, picking up a couple of points for a championship he has absolutely no vested interest in, all while hoping he stays out of the way of the regulars. Not a lot to be gained in those circumstances.



It was marketing, pure and simple. And a bit of a test to see how bad Elias is really doing, which I thought reflected really quite poorly on Elias, but mostly the marketing. Bostrom generated buzz, just like he was supposed to. He did his job. And I was impressed that he was able to run with and pass both Elias and Capirossi at one stage. Not bad for a 37 year-old who apparently many have never heard of.

Austin said:

Not bad for a 37 year-old who apparently many have never heard of.

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I find it surprising that people wouldn't have heard of him! That L&M paint jobs was one of (if not the) best to ever be on a Ducati! But i agree it was just marketing, which in some respects is a shame but not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If the sponsors don't mind him pulling in the there is no issue

Tom said:

I find it surprising that people wouldn't have heard of him! That L&M paint jobs was one of (if not the) best to ever be on a Ducati! But i agree it was just marketing, which in some respects is a shame but not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If the sponsors don't mind him pulling in the there is no issue

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Best looking bike I've ever seen. I suppose I'm not terribly surprised there are many on here who don't know who he is. The peak of his stardom was the first year Rossi won a premier class title. The bandwagon was just beginning to take shape.

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Just to add, plenty of bike shops in the UK are still selling those BB replica leathers, and go to any biking event and you'll see plenty of them.

Tom said:

Just to add, plenty of bike shops in the UK are still selling those BB replica leathers, and go to any biking event and you'll see plenty of them.

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Saw some of those this weekend, actually. I'm going to do some digging and see if I can't come up with the real thing. Probably won't, but it's worth asking a few questions.