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More “paddock rumours” on Crash. Pramac may still go to Yamaha and then Gresini and VR46 will get one factory bike each. I saw something earlier in the week that Pramac had become less likely to go to Yamaha though. There was an interview with Pit Beirer also on Crash downplaying the likelihood of MM going to KTM, saying MM won’t want to start with a new bike again having gone back to being competitive which was all he wanted when they last spoke at the end of last year; he would say that I guess regardless. The Crash clickbait header suggested they wouldn’t want him interfering with Acosta, their new much younger MM, which is imo likely to be true, but didn’t actually quote Pit as saying that. I guess whatever happens MM is likely to be able to be on a factory bike if Ducati wants him to be, although Bagnaia vs Martin vs MM all on factory bikes would likely be a ferocious contest with all 3 winning multiple races which might put Bastianini on an Aprilia or Acosta on a KTM in with a chance.

It will be interesting to see whether the new regime changes things, but while Dorna were happy for Honda to supply multiple bikes in the past when no one else wanted to supply them Ducati seem to have an entrenched advantage in the current formula gained at least partly because of concessions which were given to them. The satellite bikes also seem to be a help to the quality of their bike if not to the prospects of their lead factory rider. If they are going to continue not allowing KTM or Yamaha to have new slots on the grid, which is probably reasonable imo, then it is going to be difficult to get any of the existing Ducati satellite teams to switch brands given as has been said the second best bike on the grid is a 1 year old Ducati. Satellite team riders have won races on 1 year old Ducatis in recent seasons, with race wins something they could barely hope for under previous regimes and which mostly required unusual circumstances such as wet races.
 
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That was more or less my question, and you sound like you are in touch with the Italian scene. So will VR 46 have a factory bike next year ?.
Good question!

I'm merely pasting together the tidbits given to various journalists.

Everyone wants to be on the latest Ducati in the last two year cycle of the current regulations.

Pecco has one seat, and the announcement of the other one will release much of the tension.

I have not read anything that would suggest that Domenicali has a preference between the current trio of Italian satellite teams.

Having one factory bike for Gresini and one for VR46 for next year could keep the competition between the teams real, and could give the chosen VR rider an opportunity to press for a Ducati Corse seat for 2027.

It would also mean another Italian getting the latest spec, instead of a Spanish rider, so makes sense politically as well.

Gresini might be free to choose their riders, yet I can see another spot in the Ducati lineup that Aldeguer might get, if Pramac do flip to Yamaha, then the one next to Marc.

There are some riders who should get nervous for the upcoming round of musical chairs. Alex Marquez, Jack Miller, Augusto Fernandez, Franco Morbidelli, Johan Zarco, Taka Nakagami.

The Moto2 riders must be seeing opportunities for the next two seasons..
 
There are some riders who should get nervous for the upcoming round of musical chairs. Alex Marquez, Jack Miller, Augusto Fernandez, Franco Morbidelli, Johan Zarco, Taka Nakagami.
Isn't Zarco in the 1st year of a 2 year deal? He may end up being the number one Honda this year. Taka seems to have more lives than a cat.
 
What happens with the Ducati contracts will have impact on who goes where.

Whether Pramac is intending to go to Yamaha who knows, they could be using it as negotiations with Ducati though it could be more profitable to go to Yamaha

The key to the resumption of the silly season is the signing of M Marquez and Martin, then I’d bet the rest goes like dominoes
 
What happens with the Ducati contracts will have impact on who goes where.

Whether Pramac is intending to go to Yamaha who knows, they could be using it as negotiations with Ducati though it could be more profitable to go to Yamaha


The key to the resumption of the silly season is the signing of M Marquez and Martin, then I’d bet the rest goes like dominoes
I assume that Pramac are pushing so hard for the 2 factory bikes because they know if Martin goes to the red bike, then it guarantees them Marquez who would be very profitable for any team.
At the same time, Racing is a business and if it makes more long term sense to go with Yamaha at the expense of short term results then that may be there best option.
 
Crash had an article today that point out all the personal sponsors that Marquez has that are direct rivals to the sponsors that the Ducati team have. Not just Red Bull, Marquez also carries Samsung, Oakley, Allainz, and Estrella Galicia has sponsors
 
Certainly Valentino has his name working for him. But, past is the past, Marc is the present. VR46 can't field a rider of the caliber of MM, so I don't see them getting a GP25.
Despite the hype, Bezzechi has proved he isn;t the caliber of MM this season by sucking on a GP23. Marquez has excelled on it, as did Martin and Bagnaia last yr.

Ignoring my personal dislike of the guy, this is a major red flag for me. His riding this season simply doesn't merit a factory bike for 2025.
Isn't Zarco in the 1st year of a 2 year deal? He may end up being the number one Honda this year. Taka seems to have more lives than a cat.
Taka's bike is sponsored by a Japanese company who will support Japanese riders only, and Ai Ogura keeps turning down the seat.
 
Taka's bike is sponsored by a Japanese company who will support Japanese riders only, and Ai Ogura keeps turning down the seat.
Oh, I thought Ai's injury kept him from being promoted. Did he turn it down because he said he didn't think he was ready? And was that a nice way of saying; "no thanks, the bike sucks"?
 
This yr he is running with a different team but for 2022 he was with Idemitsu, the same sponsor as Taka's bike. I can;t find the article now, but for both 2022 and 2023 he was apparently offered that ride for the following season. He turned it down in 2022 because, after finishing 2nd in Moto2, he wanted another crack at it. I suspect that last yr, he turned a 2024 ride down for the latter reason you gave.
 
Morbidelli needs to be sacked before Bez. but also A Marquez and Diggia are not safe given their performances
Bezznitch turned Pramac down for this season. Thats how they ended up with Morbideli. Bezz is Vale's hand puppet. He will end his gp career on team ranch.
 
Morbidelli needs to be sacked before Bez. but also A Marquez and Diggia are not safe given their performances
Diggia is doing OK I think, even if nothing impressive. But he'll have to fear for his seat if Pramac leaves for Yamaha, I'm sure VR46 will try to rescue Morbidelli or even Marini if the latter cuts ties early with Honda.
 
Isn't Zarco in the 1st year of a 2 year deal? He may end up being the number one Honda this year. Taka seems to have more lives than a ca

Despite the hype, Bezzechi has proved he isn;t the caliber of MM this season by sucking on a GP23. Marquez has excelled on it, as did Martin and Bagnaia last yr.

Ignoring my personal dislike of the guy, this is a major red flag for me. His riding this season simply doesn't merit a factory bike for 2025.

Taka's bike is sponsored by a Japanese company who will support Japanese riders only, and Ai Ogura keeps turning down the seat.
On the other hand he won 3 races on a GP22, Digiannantonio won a race on a GP22 and AM also looked a lot better on a GP22, may have won a sprint iirc, and the GP23 riders mostly found the bike difficult early season, particularly Bastianini. From the MM fan point of view this makes MM being up the front after a few rounds more impressive, and makes you wonder how he would fare on the final fully developed version of the GP23.

Bezzecchi showed he still has pace last round after perhaps adapting to the GP23 somewhat, and I still consider him to be a fast rider, certainly ahead of AM, Morbidelli and Digiannantonio. The end of last season could easily end up being the high water mark of his career though, and I continue to wonder what persuaded him to stay with VR46, which I would have thought as I said earlier in the thread would need to have been either a GP25 next year with an increase in the status of the VR46 team, or strong prospects with Yamaha. The VR46 camp may well have expected him to outride MM on the same bike, we certainly had visitors who considered that likely. I am sure Valentino will stick with him however. He has recently expressed doubts about his decision in another article on crash. Perhaps oddly MM may have damaged his brother’s career, who may be dependent on MM staying with Gresini,
 
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Maybe, maybe not, he won’t get updates though.
Yes we have seen with Zarco last year that if a rider is leaving Ducati they don't get updates as a way of minimising technology transfer
Morbidelli needs to be sacked before Bez. but also A Marquez and Diggia are not safe given their performances
Yeh Morbidelli hasn't managed to catchup from missing preseason testing, unless injury is still playing a part in his performance he doesn't have long to get a podium to prove worthy of staying. I'm agree that his time is likely done
Diggia is doing OK I think, even if nothing impressive. But he'll have to fear for his seat if Pramac leaves for Yamaha, I'm sure VR46 will try to rescue Morbidelli or even Marini if the latter cuts ties early with Honda.
VR46 would need to decide on who stays and who goes, would it be based entirely on rider performance?
 
Morbidelli needs to be sacked before Bez. but also A Marquez and Diggia are not safe given their performances
I think Diggia is improving each time out on the GP23, he's 9th in the points and only 4 points behind Aleix in 8th, there are a lot of other riders who are less deserving this year than he in my opinion.
 
In regards to DiGi's seat, how he compares with the other Ducati riders is one way to judge, points after 5 races;
GP24 Martin 129 (one race DNF)
GP24 Bagnaia 91 (one race DNF)
GP23 M Marquez 89 (one race DNF)
GP24 Bastainini 89
GP23 Di Giannantonio 47
GP23 Bezzecchi 36 (one race DNF)
GP23 A Maquez 33 (one race DNF)
GP24 Morbidelli (two race DNF's, two race's outside points)
 
Isn't Zarco in the 1st year of a 2 year deal? He may end up being the number one Honda this year. Taka seems to have more lives than a cat.
He is, and I don't think there is much possibility of him not continuing, unless he was given a surprisingly good offer from WSBK.

I do though have the sense that he is lining up the Repsol seat, and if Mir does go to Aprilia to reunite with Brivio, and Zarco not being promoted, that could affect his plan in MotoGP already this year. Don't see Honda needing to have Zarco in the Repsol seat come 2026, and if they do progress, which I see as more likely than not, Honda will again have the pull power of previous years, and will need three seats, one being the LCR seat coveted by the Frenchman at the moment.
 
Ai needs to jump ships next season. Suzuki will need to take a leap up to Moto2, and put even more pressure on him to perform. Taka's hand injury and his willingness to more or less sacrifice his post-racing health to come last at the Japanese GP when riding injured, means that he is only a testing mule, holding the seat warm for the next rider from Japan. Ai would need to both get used to the MotoGP machines, and give input into Honda's development. Neither possible from a lower class. Can't see anyone, bar Idemitsu being interested in him, and if Chantra can get some results again, he might even get a chance.
 
I think Diggia is improving each time out on the GP23, he's 9th in the points and only 4 points behind Aleix in 8th, there are a lot of other riders who are less deserving this year than he in my opinion.
Diggia is the best rider on the Ducatis bar the obvious top four, imo. However, his fate will not be decided by performance, rather politics. If he only could prove himself to be faster that the other non-alligned Ducati rider, Bastianini.

VR46 will always retain at least one of the fastest Academy riders. Logical, since they are a team set up for that purpose. You have other pipelines, they are not unique. Based on form and performance, you have to say that Bezzecchi is the best riders of the 46-s. He will be retained if nothing better comes up.

Marini will cry himself to sleep in his huge bed of €s and keep hold of the Repsol seat as long as possible. He knows that if he can deliver as a test rider on track, he will have a good chance that he'll be a Repsol rider for another few years after the new regulation kicks in. Apart from Ducati, Honda is the team with the deepest pockets, and more likely to rise to the new developments challange.

Morbidelli hasn't shown any signs of improvements after he broke his leg. His biggest hope to remain in MotoGP though is that he is connected to the academy, and that the next generation of academy riders aren't up to speed yet. VR46 has sponsors to consider though. That might lead to the faster Italian being given the nod, that is to say Diggia. Morbidelli will be 30 at the end of the year. WSBK or merely retirement, should be his options.

There will be so much movement after Ducati Corse will publicly announce their line up, it will feel like a sprint.
 
Even before that broken leg imo he was never the same after that terrifying crash on the hairpin when he nearly collected Valentino. He looked quite promising previously, 3 wins on a satellite Yamaha as I recall.
 

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