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mikesbytes said:
If MM gets a 2 year Ducati contract then they could put MM at Gresini for 2025 and if Gresini moves to Yamaha in 2026 move MM to another team, however that would mean that there would have to be at least 1 other Ducati rider on a single year deal

A potential solution to the Factory Ducati seat is to offer then a single year contract for the factory seat but a 2 year contract for the Pramac seat on the latest bike regardless of team
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I dont see any top rider signing a contract with a team that has not sorted out which bikes they will be on for the duration of that contract. I dont see MM or Martin accepting a 1 year deal, unless its very lucrative, these riders have their own brands and it is hard to build a brand when you might not have a ride the following season.
 
Keshav said:
I can’t picture any reason why I Pramac would not option to stay with Ducati again.
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Money. Or, they are using the Yamaha option as a bargaining chip.
Hollywood said:
One compromise: If Marquez stays at Gresini and gets a factory bike, he would only be able to get a 1 year deal, because Gresini's contract with Ducati only runs through 2025. A 1 year deal is not ideal, but he would have a lot of bargaining power, might even get his brother a new deal out of it. Of course Gresisni could extend their own deal with Ducati, but does Marc really want to stay at Gresini?

Another compromise: Marc signs with another manufacture, KTM could afford to pay him what ever he wants, and Acosta has demonstrated that the bike is capeable. Surely KTM will have an offer to pitch
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I think the issue is Ducati know they are losing 1 rider to another manufacturer (Martin or Marquez). Binders drop in form this season has come at the worst possible time. He may be a darling of KTM (and I say this as a huge fan), but Acosta's performances this year have been a serious wake up call for what that KTM is capable of and with riders like Jorge Martin or Marc Marquez available, they would be stupid to have not even enquired. In the case of Marc, it's even more likely with both KTM and he having the same major sponsor.

I still think it pans out that Marquez gets the factory Ducati ride, and Martin replaces Aleix at Aprilia. Though if my predictions for last yr are anything to go by, ignore me completely.
 
#22 said:
On paper I don't disagree, but there are external factors.
1. He was a last choice when Marini left due to basically no other riders being available.
2. A very likely condition of VR46 getting a factory bike (For Bezz) next year, will be that Ducati put Aldeguer on the second bike (This is assuming Pramac go to Yamaha).

I think aside from Alex Marquez, Diggia is bottom of the Ducati priority pile.
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? Morbidelli.
 
Does MM stay with Frankie Carchedi next year or bring in Santi Hernandez?
On one hand Carchedi already knows the Ducati and was Mir's crew chief when he won the championship.
Hernandez was with Marc for 7 of his 8 championships so there may be more comfort working together.
I don't know who is better out of the two, one has more world championships but they're all attached to a generationally talented rider.
I do remember early on in MM's GP career reading something about his crew/team not being as good as others and Honda employees/engineers redoing much of the work that MMs direct team had done.
 
p4p1 said:
Does MM stay with Frankie Carchedi next year or bring in Santi Hernandez?
On one hand Carchedi already knows the Ducati and was Mir's crew chief when he won the championship.
Hernandez was with Marc for 7 of his 8 championships so there may be more comfort working together.
I don't know who is better out of the two, one has more world championships but they're all attached to a generationally talented rider.
I do remember early on in MM's GP career reading something about his crew/team not being as good as others and Honda employees/engineers redoing much of the work that MMs direct team had done.
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I was sure Santi has been with Marquez all through his Moto2 seasons and potentially also Moto3. Hence Marc's big decision to leave HIS team not just HRC.
 
michaelm said:
? Morbidelli.
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The only reason I didn;t rate Morbidelli lower than Marquez was he is on a GP24. I highly suspect Franco will be replacing Diggia at VR46 next season.
p4p1 said:
Does MM stay with Frankie Carchedi next year or bring in Santi Hernandez?
On one hand Carchedi already knows the Ducati and was Mir's crew chief when he won the championship.
Hernandez was with Marc for 7 of his 8 championships so there may be more comfort working together.
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Great question. I can't pick one over the other.

In other 2025 news. If Crash.net is to be believed, Red Bull KTM have made a move for Jorge Martin:

KTM and Red Bull launch audacious bid to sign Jorge Martin

It partly makes sense, given Martin was a KTM protege prior to Ducati luring him away with a MotoGP ride. It also mentions that Honda are strongly courting Maverick Vinales still with a big money contract.

Enea Bastianinis manager, Carlo Pernat, has said there are up to four options available for him for next yr.

1. Stay at Lenovo Ducati
2. Move to Pramac (if they stay with Ducati)
3. Move to Aprilia
4. Move to Yamaha (in place of Rins, who would be moved to a customer team)

“Riskiest solution” revealed as Enea Bastianini has four options for 2025
 
I want the underdog to win;
1. I wanted Ducati to win to break the Honda/Yamaha dominance [done}
2. I want a satellite rider to win the world championship, Martin was close last year
3. I want a satellite team to win the team championship. I think Pramac won last year
4. i want Ago to be beaten as the rider with the most championships, currently that means MM getting more championships
5. 4 usually conflicts with 2
6. At the end of the season I am happy with whoever wins the world championship because they were the best that season
 
#22 said:
The only reason I didn;t rate Morbidelli lower than Marquez was he is on a GP24. I highly suspect Franco will be replacing Diggia at VR46 next season.

Great question. I can't pick one over the other.

In other 2025 news. If Crash.net is to be believed, Red Bull KTM have made a move for Jorge Martin:

KTM and Red Bull launch audacious bid to sign Jorge Martin

It partly makes sense, given Martin was a KTM protege prior to Ducati luring him away with a MotoGP ride. It also mentions that Honda are strongly courting Maverick Vinales still with a big money contract.

Enea Bastianinis manager, Carlo Pernat, has said there are up to four options available for him for next yr.

1. Stay at Lenovo Ducati
2. Move to Pramac (if they stay with Ducati)
3. Move to Aprilia
4. Move to Yamaha (in place of Rins, who would be moved to a customer team)

“Riskiest solution” revealed as Enea Bastianini has four options for 2025
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Bastianini appears to be bad at qualifying, bad at race starts, the fastest rider during the race. He needs a bike that is good for overtaking whatever that means?
 
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/n...-for-the-factory-ducati-motogp-team/10611113/

Interesting article here which states that basically all Marquez' personal sponsors would clash with the factory Ducati sponsors. It also quotes him from earlier in the year and most recently after the french GP on how his opinion on being in a factory team is softening, as long as he has a factory bike with factory support.
 
It is interesting that Red Bull is now involved in trying to lure Martin to KTM (according to Crash), perhaps they are worried about loosing Marquez as a brand ambassador .

Bastianini might be an option for Aprilia.
 
Hollywood said:
It is interesting that Red Bull is now involved in trying to lure Martin to KTM (according to Crash), perhaps they are worried about loosing Marquez as a brand ambassador .

Bastianini might be an option for Aprilia.
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Red Bull and KTM are connected, have been for decades.

Marquez might well have been racing on a KTM in MotoGP since day one, if they'd have a team on the current level. As Acosta is doing at the moment.

KTM is the only other viable option to a factory spec Ducati for Marquez.
 
MichaelBolton said:
The rumors of Pramac going to Yamaha get stronger each day. Can you imagine Marc on a Yammy? 😨
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Interestingly, I'm seeing the opposite. Prior to Le Mans, it was still 50/50 but after, it is appearing more and more like they will stay, and likely with 2 factory bikes. It is an opinion piece only, but this is an interesting read:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/why-marquez-is-the-key-to-pramacs-continuation-with-ducati-in-motogp/10611501/

Main takeaways from it:

1. If Yamaha cannot lure Pramac, they have no option C and will again in 2025 be without a satellite team
2. Marc Marquez' stance of wanting a full factory team has changed to 'current bike, whatever the colour' at Le Mans. Opening him up as an option from Pramac
3. There is only enough budget for 1 more 'big' rider.
4. Martin has told Ducati if he does not have a factory contract signed after the Italian GP (June 2nd), he will pursue KTM.

It's not impossible that Martin gets factory red, Marquez goes to Pramac and used his personal sponsors to bump up his salary, and Aldeguer ends up at Gresini on a year olf bike.
 
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If Marquez did go to Pramac then they would need to exercise their 2 year extension with Ducati. Gresini has 1 year left on their deal with Ducati. VR46 also has an option for a 2 year extension, all indications are they plan exercise that option, but I have not seen anything official.

Yamaha could work a deal with a team not currently in MotoGP, there would be hurdles through dorna and they would certainly have to provide the funding. A team like VDS team could do it (though they have a relationship with ducati at the moment) The American Racing Team (currently Moto2) could potentially be an option.
 
But Dorna have said the final 2 grid slots are for an OE manufacturer only, not a satellite team. Hence why KTM have been trying to get another team to run their Husqvarna brand.
 
#22 said:
But Dorna have said the final 2 grid slots are for an OE manufacturer only, not a satellite team. Hence why KTM have been trying to get another team to run their Husqvarna brand.
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No doubt there would be hurdles, but this this is a business, and having empty grid spots is not good for business. Yamaha would need to do the leg work before approaching Dorna, they would need to secure a title sponsor and funding, basically put forth an offer that Dorna couldn't say no to.
 

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