2024 Round 13: Gran Premio Red Bull di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini San Marino - Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli

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synn said:
By virtue of being Italian, he got riled up by himself and gave a press conference right afterwards instead of hitting the showers.

It’s all pillow talk though, if you compare to the glory days of Biaggi, Rossi and co.

Biaggi: “You should wash your mouth before saying my name”

Rossi: “Talk to my fist”

**Former shows up for the presser with a black eye**
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LOL
 
I just read Marc proved GP23 is a winning bike and the other GP23 riders should follow his footsteps. I do not follow all the details, but I believe they all started the season with year-old GP23 bikes which were not upgraded to season-end GP23 specs? I read somewhere Marc stating he cannot crash too much because then they will run out of upgraded parts. I read from this Marc's bike has been upgraded, maybe Alex' bike as they are sharing the garage is getting some, too. But have VR46 riders gotten any upgrades? Looking at the results, comparatively, I'd say maybe not.
 
synn said:
By virtue of being Italian, he got riled up by himself and gave a press conference right afterwards instead of hitting the showers.

It’s all pillow talk though, if you compare to the glory days of Biaggi, Rossi and co.

Biaggi: “You should wash your mouth before saying my name”

Rossi: “Talk to my fist”

**Former shows up for the presser with a black eye**
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Yeah the old rivalries were much tougher.

"No (as in I wont shake your hand), I made a mistake"

"This is Racing Casey"

"This is racing? Ok, we'll see!"

I would quote the Simoncelli/Lorenzo spat but I don;t find that funny, especially as Lorenzo was later proven to be right.
Segfault said:
I just read Marc proved GP23 is a winning bike and the other GP23 riders should follow his footsteps. I do not follow all the details, but I believe they all started the season with year-old GP23 bikes which were not upgraded to season-end GP23 specs? I read somewhere Marc stating he cannot crash too much because then they will run out of upgraded parts. I read from this Marc's bike has been upgraded, maybe Alex' bike as they are sharing the garage is getting some, too. But have VR46 riders gotten any upgrades? Looking at the results, comparatively, I'd say maybe not.
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This yr, either as part of a cost cutting measure or to appease Bagnaia ("Customer bikes are too close to factory"), instead of getting late season bikes, VR46 and Gresini now get early season variants of the previous seasons bike. That, coupled with the GP24 making a step AND the GP23 being a particularly odd bike in the way it behaves in carner entry compared to the GP22/24, mean the customer teams have been nowhere near as competitive on the bike.

It has also been reported that there is a contractual agreement with Ducati that if one GP23 gets updates, they ALL have to. This has been an issue in terms of cost and inventory, hence Marc's comments.
 
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Yeah the old rivalries were much tougher.

"No (as in I wont shake your hand), I made a mistake"

"This is Racing Casey"

"This is racing? Ok, we'll see!"

I would quote the Simoncelli/Lorenzo spat but I don;t find that funny, especially as Lorenzo was later proven to be right.

This yr, either as part of a cost cutting measure or to appease Bagnaia ("Customer bikes are too close to factory"), instead of getting late season bikes, VR46 and Gresini now get early season variants of the previous seasons bike. That, coupled with the GP24 making a step AND the GP23 being a particularly odd bike in the way it behaves in carner entry compared to the GP22/24, mean the customer teams have been nowhere near as competitive on the bike.

It has also been reported that there is a contractual agreement with Ducati that if one GP23 gets updates, they ALL have to. This has been an issue in terms of cost and inventory, hence Marc's comments.
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I still think about that press conference with Lorenzo and Simoncelli. I will always wish that people had taken more seriously at the time what Jorge was saying instead of chalking it up as more sour grapes from him. Everyone in that room just about laughed at him for what he said.

Regarding the GP23's and updates, I had read the same thing somewhere that if one rider gets an update, they all get it. Truth be told, I'm not sure the updates would really help anyone besides Marc given the difficulties of the GP23. Would have been very interesting if they had chosen to use the Valencia-spec GP23 rather than the Qatar '23 spec.
 
I'm not questioning this. But wondering what Gigi meant when he said before the season begun. He said Marc will get upgrades if he is showing his worthiness. This seems to contradict this all-or-none contractual agreement.
 
JPSLotus said:
Regarding the GP23's and updates, I had read the same thing somewhere that if one rider gets an update, they all get it.
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I don’t think this is the case.

Diggia and M. Marquez got part of the 2024 aero. I had posted photo proof of this a while ago.

Bez didn’t get this as he’s leaving, not sure if A. Marquez got it, I’ll have a look next time.

Last year Bez was the only year old bike who got the new Ride Shyte Device (TM) as he was a championship contender.

Ducati Corse works in mysterious ways.
 
synn said:
By virtue of being Italian, he got riled up by himself and gave a press conference right afterwards instead of hitting the showers.

It’s all pillow talk though, if you compare to the glory days of Biaggi, Rossi and co.

Biaggi: “You should wash your mouth before saying my name”

Rossi: “Talk to my fist”

**Former shows up for the presser with a black eye**
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Hard to go much harder than claiming a rider deliberately tried to take you out.

Whatever else I think Alex was trying to finish as high as possible, a podium is a great achievement for him, he looked pretty frustrated at going out himself, threw his helmet etc. He is also a mid pack rider, his judgement and ability to react and avoid trouble is not as good as the highly elite riders, which goes to your point of more caution being advisable for Pecco.
 
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Segfault said:
Sorry for off topic question, but was the reason why Simoncelli helmet came off ever published? It bugs me every time I see his name. Once I even tried to search for an answer but came up empty.
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I have sometimes thought that maybe the helmet was not secured properly due to all the hair he had on his head (seriously), that perhaps the curly hair compressed upon impact and loosened the strapping.

I don't see any current MotoGP riders having such a curly crop under their helmet.
 

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Motorcycle racing is inherently dangerous. Leathers and helmets can only do so much against 400 lbs of hot motorcycle at speed. It was a terrible thing, but there's no need for a conspiracy. We're lucky we didn't lose somebody in that incident that motivated the new chicane in Austria. MotoGP is much safer than IOMTT, but it's always there.
 
michaelm said:
Hard to go much harder than claiming a rider deliberately tried to take you out.
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High speed racing, in particular on two wheels, is life endangering sport. In extreme sports like this deliberately attacking another sportsman is a criminal offense, as it may cause serious injury or death. No joke, if Honda had filed a complaint against Rossi with local DA in Sepang Rossi would have been charged with life threatening assault and sentenced for who knows how many years in jail.
Therefore, Bagnaia accused AM in committing a criminal offense against him. :eek:
 
synn said:
I still maintain that it was a risk he didn’t need to take (Marquez the younger was fading fast and would have conceded in a lap or 2), but I’m not a 3 time world champ so what do I know.
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So it's the "shoe on the other foot" for Pecco. Earlier in the year, Pecco was fading fast and Marc passed him, Pecco defended and they crashed. I forget the track but that's my memory of it (granted, my memory is suspect).
 
PRS717 said:
So it's the "shoe on the other foot" for Pecco. Earlier in the year, Pecco was fading fast and Marc passed him, Pecco defended and they crashed. I forget the track but that's my memory of it (granted, my memory is suspect).
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That’s the thing, and why he has attracted some criticism, on here at least. He has vigorously defended twice when he was the rider whom a different Marquez had caught, taking them both out on one of those occasions.
 
Keshav said:
I’d bet even money that the performance pecking order goes back to what it was two races ago, now that the race is not on a not-so-slippery surface. The last race as fun as it was, was IMHO - one of those situations where some well-liked mid-pack rider like Vermulen excels in the rain and everybody starts talking about how they’re back on form, and in the next non-rain race, it’s just the same ol’ same ol’.
… Pecco will disappoint and irritate people by returning to form, until he does something stupid again, which he dependably does.
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Perhaps you have failed to notice, but MM is a little more talented and has achieved rather more than Chris Vermeulen. As a latter day MM fan it is rather amusing to hear/see even his foremost detractors say that sheer riding talent, which is what won him the Aragon race imo and apparently theirs, won't avail him against Pecco and JM on superior GP 24 bikes in more usual conditions. That may well be the case, but I am very sanguine about his prospects on an equal bike in 2025. I can see him matching Martin who probably won't get much in the way of updates going forward this season. Even Pecco would be wise to restrict his number of DNFs over the remainder of this season imo.
 
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