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Sennas_Caress said:
Acosta, the rookie, had a crash that brought out the red flag on Friday, and a spectacular slide and sprint following another.

He was 0.015 off Q2, while in the sprint he snuck past both Viñales and Oliveira.

Maybe he needs the Bat Bike upgrades... 😉
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I take your point, and he's doing well for a rookie. But, he was doing exceptionally well at the start of the season. That created the expectations that he's now being compared to.
 
AnnoyingTwit said:
I take your point, and he's doing well for a rookie. But, he was doing exceptionally well at the start of the season. That created the expectations that he's now being compared to.
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Marc once followed Acosta for a few laps. He imitated Acosta's riding technique and abandoned it, too risky, he said. Methinks his early success was thanks to high risk riding. Inevitably it results in frequent crashes. Isn't this what we are seeing?
 
Segfault said:
Marc once followed Acosta for a few laps. He imitated Acosta's riding technique and abandoned it, too risky, he said. Methinks his early success was thanks to high risk riding. Inevitably it results in frequent crashes. Isn't this what we are seeing?
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When I first saw him in Moto3, he seemed to have very good positional awareness, and was generally reliable in finishing races. And, of course Moto3 is often a crash-fest. In Moto2, once he adapted, he was again a very consistent finisher - only one DNF the whole season. I think the talent is there, without him being always crash-prone. Personally I think he's adapting to MotoGP, and hence this can be compared to his 2022 Moto2 season where he had a run of three DNFs and a 20th (I can't remember if his 20th was due to a crash and re-mounting, or just that he was massively off the pace which happened sometimes.)

Having followed Acosta throughout Moto3 and Moto2, I was gob-smacked at first in MotoGP. As I had predicted (another forum) that he would look unimpressive in MotoGP at first, and then his talent would become more visible once he had adapted. I think he's fallen back into the pack as he's adapting to MotoGP (and learning how to be fast without excessive risk may be part of that.) I think the talent is there - I don't think that he's just looking fast because of a high-risk strategy. And that once he adapts, the talent will become very clear. Equipment permitting.
 
It seems the KTM was a better bike at the start of the season. None of their riders are really in it right now.
I believe next year will tell where they are at.
 
Keshav said:
. It was pretty clear he had no chance to catch Pecco today, so it seems he’s retained some of that learn the limits by crashing and hoping to not sustain serious injuries process. .
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With the current tyres, aero and ride height the front tyre limit is now a precipice it seems. I keep seeing Marc trying to hold the bike up and turn the front wheel in like he has done in the past and it just doesn't come back. That separation he had has been removed by the above devices, probably most significantly aero, it seems to me.

Pecco loves this track but he is very very good on the Ducati. Pretty hard to see anyone on the same bike knock him off as he knows the bike so well, but I guess we will see.
 
Bagnaia was predictably dominant. As soon as the llp was announced for Martin, I was just counting the laps until the Marquez crash. I knew he’d give it a go, and see if he could pressure Bagnaia into a mistake. Impressive ride from Aleix and Miller. Mav nowhere. Acosta nowhere. Morbidelli is starting to come good.

The results continue to twist and turn. The only guarantee is that Martin and Bagnaia will be at the sharp end.
 
There is still a lot of season to go. Of course the various Ducatis will slug it out. However none of the others will stand still, whether riders or teams. Still a lot of meat on the table.
 
Marquez knows there will be no championship this year. He is pushing the limit to get a better understanding of where it is on that bike to bring him closer to Pecco for next year I am thinking. Just cant save the front anywhere near as often it seems. More reason to understand the limit I guess.
 
Mrpurple said:
I am the one who predicted no wins for MM... he's too desperate, won't take the points.

The aero is a problem.
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Win it or bin it as a repeated strategy may well result in a win sometime. Marc saw a possibility yesterday. It's impressive that he was in that position at all. I don't think anyone will deny that Marc really wants a win on the GP23.
 
synn said:
Quartararo finishing 12th is a miracle in itself (and indeed a sign that Yamaha is improving).

Put a decent bike underneath him and 90% of the grid won’t see which way he went.
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Watching practice this weekend has me wondering if Yamaha are on the coat tails of Aprilia. Not past them, but right there.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Watching practice this weekend has me wondering if Yamaha are on the coat tails of Aprilia. Not past them, but right there.
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Qualifying and the sprint race suggests perhaps not. The best performing Yamaha rider is slightly ahead of the worst performing Aprilia rider in the championship.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Watching practice this weekend has me wondering if Yamaha are on the coat tails of Aprilia. Not past them, but right there.
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The bike is turning better compared to a few races ago, from what I can see from the comfort of my couch. Maybe they did get that new engine spec in, which reduces inertia.

It’s still nowhere near what it used to be, if you watch 2021-22 Quartararo at the Red Bull Ring. But they’re making progress.
 

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