2022 Circuit of the Americas

Bern1 · Apr 12, 2022

I find it ridiculous and slightly amusing in a sad way that racing results sometimes seem to have to be litigated with the proceedings stretching out days and or weeks complete with appeals, etc.

Like the F1 fiasco last year.

In fact, with instant replay in MLB it’s looking to be getting that way there too. I rather liked it when it was the ump says you’re out so you’re out.

I think it should be the same way in racing. Whichever official makes the decision, it should stand.

PRS717 · Apr 12, 2022

Get outta here!!!

Segfault · Apr 12, 2022

No worries, Spencer had no issues defeating logic and common sense when penalizing Zarco for Morbidelli's braking error. (Rider behind moving slower and braking earlier cannot hit the rider ahead who is moving faster and braking later. Unless this rider behind eases off for a moment on brakes.)
He will take that point from Dovi. Who is Dovi after all. But Morbidelli is a friend of Rossi, the the man who is a living example of unsportsmanlike behavior.

Keshav · Apr 13, 2022

Again, it’s the human factor. There’s never going to be a golden age where officials apply the rules with perfectly objective, Solomon-like wisdom. People are so passionate, and some of course are just power mad.

mylexicon · Apr 13, 2022

Bern1 said:
I find it ridiculous and slightly amusing in a sad way that racing results sometimes seem to have to be litigated with the proceedings stretching out days and or weeks complete with appeals, etc.

Like the F1 fiasco last year.

In fact, with instant replay in MLB it’s looking to be getting that way there too. I rather liked it when it was the ump says you’re out so you’re out.

I think it should be the same way in racing. Whichever official makes the decision, it should stand.

Sports litigation is getting out of hand, but it will eventually balance out. We are leaving behind an era when officials more or less selectively applied the rules based upon politics or misjudgment. Eventually, the legal process for sports will fall victim to the same problem.

The issue is whether people can transition back to something less legalistic or if the institution becomes more powerful than the participants and fans.

michaelm · Apr 13, 2022

mylexicon said:
Sports litigation is getting out of hand, but it will eventually balance out. We are leaving behind an era when officials more or less selectively applied the rules based upon politics or misjudgment. Eventually, the legal process for sports will fall victim to the same problem.

The issue is whether people can transition back to something less legalistic or if the institution becomes more powerful than the participants and fans.

As you said in regard to Jack Miller’s attitude, sporting contests at a base level simply aren’t that important.

Bern1 · Apr 14, 2022

michaelm said:
As you said in regard to Jack Miller’s attitude, sporting contests at a base level simply aren’t that important.

They really are not important. No matter how pissed off I get when a rossi or schumacher runs somebody off the track, as soon as the race is over I pretty much forget about it.

At the end of the day, it’s just warfare watered down to civilized ritual combat for our entertainment.

Which makes the litigation even more completely ridiculous.

To draw even a little closer to MLB, when a Puig or a Ron Dennis challenges the official making a decision, they should be able to “eject him from the game” and make him go sulk in the showers.

mylexicon · Apr 14, 2022

michaelm said:
As you said in regard to Jack Miller’s attitude, sporting contests at a base level simply aren’t that important.

You’re right. The best approach for we the fans, and perhaps participants with well-rounded perspective, is to take the sport for what it’s worth. If people want to kill it, not much can be done, just make sure they can’t dip into taxpayer money to save themselves.

As Francis Batta once said, motorsport is rewarding because it contains all of the complications and rewards of life. He’s right. Enjoy the crest of the wave and paddle through the troughs.

mylexicon · Apr 14, 2022

Bern1 said:
At the end of the day, it’s just warfare watered down to civilized ritual combat for our entertainment.

Which makes the litigation even more completely ridiculous.

Well, the attempt to create sustainable, for-profit warfare is what begets all of the rules. They are effectively trying to make mercantilism, one of the world’s most destructive and psychologically addictive economic systems, into an entertainment product.

Needless to say, it will take a few rules to ensure that a winner-takes-all sport is not a winner-takes-all business. The issue is that tribal activities beget tribal behavior and you’ll always be dealing with the mentally ill ambitions of most participants and fans.

michaelm · Apr 14, 2022

mylexicon said:
You’re right. The best approach for we the fans, and perhaps participants with well-rounded perspective, is to take the sport for what it’s worth. If people want to kill it, not much can be done, just make sure they can’t dip into taxpayer money to save themselves.

As Francis Batta once said, motorsport is rewarding because it contains all of the complications and rewards of life. He’s right. Enjoy the crest of the wave and paddle through the troughs.

My attitude as I said to Jumkie once was summarised by Mick Jagger in a vaguely similar context, viz:-
“I know it’s only rock ‘n roll but I like it”.

Search

Search

2022 Circuit of the Americas

Bern1

PRS717

Attachments

Segfault

Keshav

mylexicon

michaelm

Bern1

mylexicon

mylexicon

michaelm

Similar threads

Recent Discussions