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AntG said:
I don't think the two strokes had traction control, compared to say late 80/early 90's they had softer engines due to a mixture of big bang, ECU's and less potent fuel.

Think it was mid way through 2002 when TC came along.
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Mick Doohan said in an interview that TC and engine mapping were already there in his days. Albeit rudimentary.
 
Keshav said:
Very rudimentary.
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Not as rudimentary as folk would think. Lets face it EFI needs a map and they wouldnt have gone and bought an off the shelf preprogrammed module ..... for a car say.
CDI units have been capable since the 70s .... why would gp not have had them?

Real advancements have been made in the software though .... as clock speeds and memory have skyrocketted in that time. The only real sensor inovations have been in GPS ..... which they arent supposed to use. Other sensors were out there but they have got more compact.
 
BarryMachine said:
Mick Doohan said in an interview that TC and engine mapping were already there in his days. Albeit rudimentary.
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I know engine mapping was there but not TC.

To be honest I don't think it makes much of a difference, look at BSB when they banned rider aids in 2012, it didn't stop the same riders from winning.
 
AntG said:
I know engine mapping was there but not TC.

To be honest I don't think it makes much of a difference, look at BSB when they banned rider aids in 2012, it didn't stop the same riders from winning.
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Why do you think no TC?

Doohan suggested this was a point of development during his era. Though not as intrusive as modern systems.
 
BarryMachine said:
Why do you think no TC?

Doohan suggested this was a point of development during his era. Though not as intrusive as modern systems.
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I didn't think there was, I'm happy to be corrected though.

I'm actually one of the people who thinks TC makes a bike harder to ride or should I say harder to set up.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Harder to ride proper hard with no TC.

For street easier (read safer) though it gives a false confidence in my opinion.

ABS though, is awesome.
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Ha .... ABS!!! I reckon it should be banned! The most dangerous thing ever.

Switchable ( non programmable ) TC is pretty shockibg too ..... well thst was my experience with it .... on a Super Tenere on a steep trail.
 
Keshav said:
When you get tired of the needless hostility and insults - put 'em on ignore. Then more of us can concentrate on what we came here for: talking racing. Really, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. ;)
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It's been a lot better in here lately, much more enjoyable since a few members put other members on the ignore list. Thank you:)
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Harder to ride proper hard with no TC.

For street easier (read safer) though it gives a false confidence in my opinion.

ABS though, is awesome.
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I am quite a fan of riding bikes with no assist whatsoever. It is the essence of the experience.

Imagine a CR 500 with traction control...... I can’t either.

(I did ride one once, not sure I ever got it out of 3rd gear... and even then I wasn’t really on the gas, more in survival mode.). Awesome machine.
 
Barbedwirebikerr said:
Harder to ride proper hard with no TC.

For street easier (read safer) though it gives a false confidence in my opinion.

ABS though, is awesome.
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Maybe but I don't think it would make an ounce of difference to a professional racer, top racer will always win as long as the machine is good. I don't mind TC though, I remember a few years ago having a conversation with a fella who said it's not like the old days and I just said "What, the days when races were won by minutes and more top riders spent more time in hospital with broken bones?" The fact that these bikes are built with all these safety devices so that they DON'T constantly highside riders over the top of them and into a hospital ward is a good thing, IMO anyway.
 
AntG said:
Maybe but I don't think it would make an ounce of difference to a professional racer, top racer will always win as long as the machine is good. I don't mind TC though, I remember a few years ago having a conversation with a fella who said it's not like the old days and I just said "What, the days when races were won by minutes and more top riders spent more time in hospital with broken bones?" The fact that these bikes are built with all these safety devices so that they DON'T constantly highside riders over the top of them and into a hospital ward is a good thing, IMO anyway.
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I'm with Stoner on this one. The control of the brakes and the throttle should be solely in the hands of the rider.
 

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