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I think Stoner was supremely talented, but lacked the drive MM has. If Casey had that drive he would have hung around longer than he did. MM has a drive to win that CS never had. Don't get me wrong, Stoner had immense talent, but he never utilized it fully. He has two titles to show for it, but always felt he left titles on the table.

I rank MM higher than CS at this point which is no small feat. But at this point MM is clearly the superior rider. He forced Lorenzo and Rossi into crashing out in 2016 at Motegi, then did the same think to Dovizioso in 2018. He doesn't have a superior bike, but he makes it work for him. Makes me wonder how Lorenzo is going to do on that bike since it's less stable than the Desmosedici. He may take well to it, or he may take time to gell with it. I don't think MM has any fear of having Lorenzo in the garage with him.

ive made this comparison to people quite a few times and i believe it fits.

casey stoner = lebron james supremely talented maybe the most talented ever but no killer instict. if he loses there is always next year or a new team.

marc marquez is michael jordan. maybe not the most talented but worked his butt off every year. said he couldnt play d made the all defensive team said he couldnt shoot long distance developed a three. said he couldnt pass became almost a point guard. you get the idea. More importantly the killer instict. give you a look and you knew you werent going to win. beat you at every aspect. winning is the only thing. there is no tomorrow this is why marquez is the best ever and why MJ is the best ever.

PS Jordan and marquez have beat the absolute best LJ Rossi Stoner not so much.
 
I think Jorge would've fought MM for the title in 2019 if he stayed on the Duke.
KTM isn't competitive. I think you are mistaken. Ducati is the best bike at this time, but the Honda is obviously good enough for the best rider, Marquez. I truly believe that Marquez would still be the man on a Ducati or a Yamaha. Aprilia or KTM might be sketchy.
 
ive made this comparison to people quite a few times and i believe it fits.

casey stoner = lebron james supremely talented maybe the most talented ever but no killer instict. if he loses there is always next year or a new team.

marc marquez is michael jordan. maybe not the most talented but worked his butt off every year. said he couldnt play d made the all defensive team said he couldnt shoot long distance developed a three. said he couldnt pass became almost a point guard. you get the idea. More importantly the killer instict. give you a look and you knew you werent going to win. beat you at every aspect. winning is the only thing. there is no tomorrow this is why marquez is the best ever and why MJ is the best ever.

PS Jordan and marquez have beat the absolute best LJ Rossi Stoner not so much.

No doubt MM has more killer instinct which is a large part of why he is the superior rider.


However, while you can critcise Stoner for not winning in 2012 and take issue with him for not having the drive to continue his career/choosing to finish his career so young, he did beat the same elite riders MM has beaten if many fewer times, and it is rather harsh imo to criticse him for not having more killer instinct on the Ducati, a bike no body else including near prime Rossi could ride in a vaguely competitive fashion let alone win races on after 2007.
 
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Look now, people differ. Not having killer instinct is not an imperfection. As a matter of fact, people who do not feel the need to go out and be "the best of the best of the best" live much happier life. Stoner saw how toxic is the environment in the MotoGP and his ego wasn't big enough to keep him there. Same time the dude who created this toxic environment is called a great ambassador and promoter of motorsport [my foot].
 
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Tug McClutchin probably upset a few people with his latest article.

I've never heard of or read tug mclutchin, my first thought when reading your post was you had a nickname for someone. Thanks for showing him to me. He is a better version than Boris Mihailovic.
 
I've never heard of or read tug mclutchin, my first thought when reading your post was you had a nickname for someone. Thanks for showing him to me. He is a better version than Boris Mihailovic.

Been reading him the last couple of years, his best was talking about Jorge after just the 4th race of the year, the guy is a genius at sorting the wheat from the chaff IMO, even when he's 9 sheets to the wind.
https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-........-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/
 
Been reading him the last couple of years, his best was talking about Jorge after just the 4th race of the year, the guy is a genius at sorting the wheat from the chaff IMO, even when he's 9 sheets to the wind.
https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-........-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/

A good read. Thanks from me as well. A little less crazed and more analytical than Boris. i don’t think he gives KRJR and Nicky enough credit though, both rode wonderfully in their title years without the equipment advantage many title winners have had imo.

If Rossi hadn’t gone on this obsessive and fruitless quest for the 10th title which he didn’t need to surpass Agostini anyway, even in the view of nearly all the “haters” on this forum, he wouldn’t be involved in direct comparisons with MM now. Both would rightly be regarded as having dominated their own eras with any comparison purely theoretical; the former is still the case to be fair, but I think the perception is altered given their career overlap, unless MM goes on to his own equivalent of Rossi’s Ducati adventure or is eclipsed himself by some young charger when in his mid 30s.
 
I sent him a nasty email once over something stupid he said about something not that important. I thoroughly enjoyed this piece. Although, I think he actually missed the U.S. era. The competition was fierce among the Americans and unless you were watching during that time, you might not get it.

Rossi has not won a championship since MM showed up. He was beaten by JLo on the same bike, but the yellow horde continues with the goat story because Rossi has 7 titles. I can't tell you how stressful it is that MM missed a year, where he tried too hard on the inferior Honda. Now, I just hope I survive long enough for him to AT LEAST tie Rossi's titles and prove that he is better, even to the horde, since he will have beaten Rossi every damn time.
 

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