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I am no Rossi fan, but I disagree. Historically basically none even among the greats have still been riding in the premier class at Rossi’s age at all, let alone somewhat competitively. Mick Doohan said years ago staying up for it mentally for the length of time Rossi has is close to impossible. His quality as a rider likely also has something to do with his relative lack of injuries, injuries having finished the careers of many among the greats.

I agree to the extent that it is his choice to be still racing, and hence he should be regarded the same as any other rider, his age having nothing to do with his competitors, and certainly don’t go with subtracting 5 seconds from his race time each race and saying he would have won if he was 25, and the degree to which the focus is still on him currently ahead of other riders, at least one of whom is also an all time great, is excessive imo.



Good post. I'm no Rossi fan either but I would agree.
 
So...anyone care to speculate on what caused Lorenzo's lock up?,Ducati are not gonna say but are convinced it won't happen again,makes me think it was down to a bit of human error,a .... up by one of his mechanics maybe?.

If mechanical, surely the engine will be withdrawn from use. If the engine is used again this could mean that human error was a factor.

Is there a way to find out when engines are withdrawn?

Also, I'd proffer that it wasn't engine failure because there didn't seem to be any engine swaps made to Dovi's bike, though of course we don't see everything.
 
If mechanical, surely the engine will be withdrawn from use. If the engine is used again this could mean that human error was a factor.

Is there a way to find out when engines are withdrawn?

Also, I'd proffer that it wasn't engine failure because there didn't seem to be any engine swaps made to Dovi's bike, though of course we don't see everything.

Simon Crafar was explaining the other day how there is a sensor on the bikes that shuts the engine off after the bike has been on its side for a bit. Maybe that malfunctioned during lean?
 
Simon Crafar was explaining the other day how there is a sensor on the bikes that shuts the engine off after the bike has been on its side for a bit. Maybe that malfunctioned during lean?

Possibly. Though at moment of lock up, the bike can't be much further than 40-45 degrees. If the sensor, it's a pretty major malfunction as it wasn't in the parameters of its use.
 

"He is like me: If it weren't for all those electronics that manage the bike, if power were controlled only by the rider's right wrist, Rossi would still be number one on the track"

Much as I hate to contradict Stoner, it's been a long long time since Rossi was number one at anything. He is, I expect, alluding to the Rossi he knew in say 2008.

More to the point, I never said it was the sole reason why he manages all those third and fourth place finishes, but it clearly is an advantage, especially if he has top people on the team doing the programming.
 
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Except that Casey Stoner said that Rossi would be on top without electronics.

I assume you know more than Stoner too (in addition to Furusawa).

There is no debate that electronic rider aids have lengthened careers by a considerable margin. I would guess bikes without them would see an even more dominant Marquez using his escapades in Moto2 as an example .
 
There is no debate that electronic rider aids have lengthened careers by a considerable margin. I would guess bikes without them would see an even more dominant Marquez using his escapades in Moto2 as an example .

Funny. I can think of at least one person whose career was shortened by Marky marc’s Moto2 escapades.

 
Funny. I can think of at least one person whose career was shortened by Marky marc’s Moto2 escapades.



That was an electronic short n his head, has nothing to do with the topic at hand as is your m.o.
 
That was an electronic short n his head, has nothing to do with the topic at hand as is your m.o.

The Willairot incident was and remains indefensible, at least as much in regard to the crew of supposedly professional adults who sent a then teenaged MM out in the circumstance imo, but indeed has little to do with how dependent he is on electronic bike taming/rider aids, without which he could demonstrably carve through the whole moto 2 field from the back of the grid as you imply.
 
The point was that electronics may save a high side or two, but they can’t save you from murder Marc.
 
The point was that electronics may save a high side or two, but they can’t save you from murder Marc.

He has been no more dangerous than any other rider in the premier class. As you well know Valentino has actually taken him out twice, on the second occasion absolutely deliberately, and there are those who have their doubts about the first Argentinian incident.
 
The point was that electronics may save a high side or two, but they can’t save you from murder Marc.

The point is , Moto 2 bikes have little to no electronics and as usual you seem to lack the capacity to stay on topic.
 
I think I wrote a list of Marc Marquez incidents in previous threads. It wasn't pretty reading.

He seems to be riding more cleanly after the Argentina incident.
 
I think I wrote a list of Marc Marquez incidents in previous threads. It wasn't pretty reading.

He seems to be riding more cleanly after the Argentina incident.

The one incident I would concede in the premier class is the yellow flag practice incident 2 or 3 years ago.

I am a Lorenzo fan more than an MM fan, and wasn’t impressed with his re-enactment of a previous incident at Jerez in 2013, but race control had more or less legitimised that method of passing in that very corner. The only other rider I recall hm taking out in a race is Dani via a freak mechanism, and as I have said the score is 2:1 on the Rossi vs MM front. I think he showed poor judgement at Argentina 2015 given Valentino was much faster, but think much the same in regard to Valentino at Argentina this year, and his error there was much less egregious than Rossi’s at Jerez 2011. He certainly hasn’t ever pulled a deliberate move like Valentino’s at Sepang 2015, nor anything non deliberate as potentially dangerous as the LS08 Corkscrew thing.

Hence my cynicism about Rossi pointing fingers at him.
 
He certainly hasn’t ever pulled a deliberate move like Valentino’s at Sepang 2015, nor anything non deliberate as potentially dangerous as the LS08 Corkscrew thing.
He actually pulled an LS08 Corkscrew on Rossi, at the Corkscrew, at LS13.
 
He actually pulled an LS08 Corkscrew on Rossi, at the Corkscrew, at LS13.

He didn’t re enter the track and force another rider to bail out of the corner to make his re-enactment stick. He actually passed Rossi before reentering . Nothing dangerous to any other rider unlike the Rossi version
 
He actually pulled an LS08 Corkscrew on Rossi, at the Corkscrew, at LS13.

Perhaps memory fails - but I don’t recollect you objecting to this move when a desperate, and out-of-control Rossi pulled same on Stoner.
 
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Perhaps memory fails - but I don’t recollect you objecting to this move when a desperate, and out-of-control Rossi pulled same on Stoner.

Perhaps memory fails, but I recollect a desperate, out of control Stoner dumping his own ... in the gravel all by himself a bit later on.

Perhaps, his ambition outweighed the traction?
 

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